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Later.. Meaning after Wano. People seems to think Carrot needs to become important to join. It's wrong. In fact Carrot don't really need a single panel to sneak aboard the Sunny again, we know enough about her to know that this is something she could do again.
She will only need something to be RECRUITED/officialized after. So yes, if Carrot joins, she is bound to have a story later, on Elbaf or elsewhere but not on Wano.
IT'S showing her worth as a strawhat because 888 is directly linked to her post.
And this is indeed something that Carrot might learn before the end of Wano or after.
No. Not in the case of Carrot. Carrot went over all of this the moment she decided to sneak on the Sunny telling noone. From that moment, Carrot freed herself from any responsibilities, so unless she learns something about the dawn and therefore uses that as a treigger to join again, Carrot as no ties strong enough with the minks to stay on Zou. Her love for adventure is much stronger.
Secondary characters are not side characters. At least not in my designation, but that's not really important.
Because she was assignated a mission by Kin : to gather weapons. But Carrot went back directly to the strawhats once that mission as over. So she spent best of her time with them.
The thing is, Carrot'ds defeat was not only physical, but psychological. Perospero not only destroyed Carrot, but he humiliated her. That's why Carrot only recovered once Perospero was defeated. At least that's how we can analyse the storyline.
Don't worry, she will ;)
Nah the interaction of Yamato and Luffy are pretty flat narratively.
Wrong, again, Yamato NEVER asked Luffy to join the crew, reread the panel.
1. Carrot is not a leader, so their is no reason she would form anything.
2. Carrot is liked to wonders, she cares for that, she loves that and only the strawhat crew can bring a full load of that
3. It's not really in Carrot's character to ask. So that probably won't happen, if Carrot wants to join, she will just sneak onboard.
Right now I only think Yamato will take care of Momo, meaning will stay by his side as a guide and a trainer.
The difference is: Carrot's fight is directly linked to her character arc and her place on the sea. Yamato's fight is only linked to Wano minus that one interaction with Kaido. That's why I said "good feat, but not enough to help her on the race to the strawhat's flag"
Before Kaido, the gouvernment had no idea of the forces of the country. But now, they know. That's why they are coming NOW. It took the entire alliance and three pirate crew to take down the BigMom/Kaido alliance, now Imagine the gouvernment is coming with 1/2 of that force, they will need everyone and more. Yamato staying on Wano is more than likely on that condition.
Of course, we will see, but that's a little late don't you think ?
Antagonist interaction is still interaction and she interacted also with the crew in Rainbase if I'm not mistaken (Not sure of that)
That's not nice
Of course there is, that her whole character arc mate. Carrot is naive by essence, she had to be scolded again and again of the danger of the seas and even then she did not listen, her interaction with Perospero is directly mentionning that.
That's the WHOLE point of her character arc : to learn that the seas is not always all funzies but that can be hurtfull to, it's supposed to make her doubt. And that's not "big" it's just a setup for her definitive character arc later. It's just something Carrot has to learn.
There is a difference in fighting while thinking the sea was injust to you and fighting while knowing that danger is something that can happen.. it's the different between being naive and wise.
No she doesn't.
Unlikely, With Carrot treatment, only the post of Second or Captain would feel logical, Carrot is not a leader and was specifically characterize through the strawhats and WITH the strawhats, so if Carrot has to embark on a adventure, it's with the strawhats nowhere else.
Maybe because I'm the one who worked the most on Carrot's case in the entire fanbase from a narrative point of view. There is a lot of characters that I don't take the time to understand, but I do understand Carrot's journey quite well, that just what it is.. you either have the choice to believe me and my argumentation, or stay on your ground.. either way, you will be surprised.
More like the setup, I think Carrot's joining will just be a setup for a closer storyline down the line.
1. I only made ONE Theory (the Carrot for Nakama theory. The rest are just hypothesis, guesses.
2. When those hypothesis are proven wrong I say that I'm wrong.. don't search to much into it mate. I never backtrack I only make explanations and more hypothesis.
For example, I was wrong on Carrot reacting to Luffy defeating Kaido, but it doesn't mean that I was wrong to believe in that possibility or to believe that there is one more moment for Carrot - during the banquet - that would help in the validation of the theory. When i'm wrong, I say it, don't worry, I have no problem with my ego.
And it never happened, I was therefore wrong, Are you satisfied ?
Because it was. From the moment I came here in october, I have always made the distinction between and hypothesis (a guess) and a theory (a strong argumentation composed of multiple work around, different clues and proof, facts and narrative basis etc.) the problem is that you guys never gave up the fanbase mindset being that all guesses are theories. And I'm sorry but I don't agree with that reasonning, it's anti scientific and it hurts critical thinking. Hypothesis are not theories. Never were.
Well that's not nice.
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Ok, well the chapter's spoiler are about to drop so I'm out until the release. So long o/
She will only need something to be RECRUITED/officialized after. So yes, if Carrot joins, she is bound to have a story later, on Elbaf or elsewhere but not on Wano.
IT'S showing her worth as a strawhat because 888 is directly linked to her post.
And this is indeed something that Carrot might learn before the end of Wano or after.
No. Not in the case of Carrot. Carrot went over all of this the moment she decided to sneak on the Sunny telling noone. From that moment, Carrot freed herself from any responsibilities, so unless she learns something about the dawn and therefore uses that as a treigger to join again, Carrot as no ties strong enough with the minks to stay on Zou. Her love for adventure is much stronger.
Secondary characters are not side characters. At least not in my designation, but that's not really important.
Because she was assignated a mission by Kin : to gather weapons. But Carrot went back directly to the strawhats once that mission as over. So she spent best of her time with them.
The thing is, Carrot'ds defeat was not only physical, but psychological. Perospero not only destroyed Carrot, but he humiliated her. That's why Carrot only recovered once Perospero was defeated. At least that's how we can analyse the storyline.
Don't worry, she will ;)
Nah the interaction of Yamato and Luffy are pretty flat narratively.
Wrong, again, Yamato NEVER asked Luffy to join the crew, reread the panel.
1. Carrot is not a leader, so their is no reason she would form anything.
2. Carrot is liked to wonders, she cares for that, she loves that and only the strawhat crew can bring a full load of that
3. It's not really in Carrot's character to ask. So that probably won't happen, if Carrot wants to join, she will just sneak onboard.
Right now I only think Yamato will take care of Momo, meaning will stay by his side as a guide and a trainer.
The difference is: Carrot's fight is directly linked to her character arc and her place on the sea. Yamato's fight is only linked to Wano minus that one interaction with Kaido. That's why I said "good feat, but not enough to help her on the race to the strawhat's flag"
Before Kaido, the gouvernment had no idea of the forces of the country. But now, they know. That's why they are coming NOW. It took the entire alliance and three pirate crew to take down the BigMom/Kaido alliance, now Imagine the gouvernment is coming with 1/2 of that force, they will need everyone and more. Yamato staying on Wano is more than likely on that condition.
Of course, we will see, but that's a little late don't you think ?
Antagonist interaction is still interaction and she interacted also with the crew in Rainbase if I'm not mistaken (Not sure of that)
That's not nice
Of course there is, that her whole character arc mate. Carrot is naive by essence, she had to be scolded again and again of the danger of the seas and even then she did not listen, her interaction with Perospero is directly mentionning that.
That's the WHOLE point of her character arc : to learn that the seas is not always all funzies but that can be hurtfull to, it's supposed to make her doubt. And that's not "big" it's just a setup for her definitive character arc later. It's just something Carrot has to learn.
There is a difference in fighting while thinking the sea was injust to you and fighting while knowing that danger is something that can happen.. it's the different between being naive and wise.
No she doesn't.
Unlikely, With Carrot treatment, only the post of Second or Captain would feel logical, Carrot is not a leader and was specifically characterize through the strawhats and WITH the strawhats, so if Carrot has to embark on a adventure, it's with the strawhats nowhere else.
Maybe because I'm the one who worked the most on Carrot's case in the entire fanbase from a narrative point of view. There is a lot of characters that I don't take the time to understand, but I do understand Carrot's journey quite well, that just what it is.. you either have the choice to believe me and my argumentation, or stay on your ground.. either way, you will be surprised.
More like the setup, I think Carrot's joining will just be a setup for a closer storyline down the line.
1. I only made ONE Theory (the Carrot for Nakama theory. The rest are just hypothesis, guesses.
2. When those hypothesis are proven wrong I say that I'm wrong.. don't search to much into it mate. I never backtrack I only make explanations and more hypothesis.
For example, I was wrong on Carrot reacting to Luffy defeating Kaido, but it doesn't mean that I was wrong to believe in that possibility or to believe that there is one more moment for Carrot - during the banquet - that would help in the validation of the theory. When i'm wrong, I say it, don't worry, I have no problem with my ego.
And it never happened, I was therefore wrong, Are you satisfied ?
Because it was. From the moment I came here in october, I have always made the distinction between and hypothesis (a guess) and a theory (a strong argumentation composed of multiple work around, different clues and proof, facts and narrative basis etc.) the problem is that you guys never gave up the fanbase mindset being that all guesses are theories. And I'm sorry but I don't agree with that reasonning, it's anti scientific and it hurts critical thinking. Hypothesis are not theories. Never were.
Well that's not nice.
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Ok, well the chapter's spoiler are about to drop so I'm out until the release. So long o/
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Later.. Meaning after Wano. People seems to think Carrot needs to become important to join. It's wrong. In fact Carrot don't really need a single panel to sneak aboard the Sunny again, we know enough about her to know that this is something she could do again.
She will only need something to be RECRUITED/officialized after. So yes, if Carrot joins, she is bound to have a story later, on Elbaf or elsewhere but not on Wano.
IT'S showing her worth as a strawhat because 888 is directly linked to her post.
And this is indeed something that Carrot might learn before the end of Wano or after.
No. Not in the case of Carrot. Carrot went over all of this the moment she decided to sneak on the Sunny telling noone. From that moment, Carrot freed herself from any responsibilities, so unless she learns something about the dawn and therefore uses that as a treigger to join again, Carrot as no ties strong enough with the minks to stay on Zou. Her love for adventure is much stronger.
Secondary characters are not side characters. At least not in my designation, but that's not really important.
Because she was assignated a mission by Kin : to gather weapons. But Carrot went back directly to the strawhats once that mission as over. So she spent best of her time with them.
The thing is, Carrot'ds defeat was not only physical, but psychological. Perospero not only destroyed Carrot, but he humiliated her. That's why Carrot only recovered once Perospero was defeated. At least that's how we can analyse the storyline.
Don't worry, she will ;)
Nah the interaction of Yamato and Luffy are pretty flat narratively.
Wrong, again, Yamato NEVER asked Luffy to join the crew, reread the panel.
1. Carrot is not a leader, so their is no reason she would form anything.
2. Carrot is liked to wonders, she cares for that, she loves that and only the strawhat crew can bring a full load of that
3. It's not really in Carrot's character to ask. So that probably won't happen, if Carrot wants to join, she will just sneak onboard.
Right now I only think Yamato will take care of Momo, meaning will stay by his side as a guide and a trainer.
The difference is: Carrot's fight is directly linked to her character arc and her place on the sea. Yamato's fight is only linked to Wano minus that one interaction with Kaido. That's why I said "good feat, but not enough to help her on the race to the strawhat's flag"
Before Kaido, the gouvernment had no idea of the forces of the country. But now, they know. That's why they are coming NOW. It took the entire alliance and three pirate crew to take down the BigMom/Kaido alliance, now Imagine the gouvernment is coming with 1/2 of that force, they will need everyone and more. Yamato staying on Wano is more than likely on that condition.
Of course, we will see, but that's a little late don't you think ?
Antagonist interaction is still interaction and she interacted also with the crew in Rainbase if I'm not mistaken (Not sure of that)
That's not nice
Of course there is, that her whole character arc mate. Carrot is naive by essence, she had to be scolded again and again of the danger of the seas and even then she did not listen, her interaction with Perospero is directly mentionning that.
That's the WHOLE point of her character arc : to learn that the seas is not always all funzies but that can be hurtfull to, it's supposed to make her doubt. And that's not "big" it's just a setup for her definitive character arc later. It's just something Carrot has to learn.
There is a difference in fighting while thinking the sea was injust to you and fighting while knowing that danger is something that can happen.. it's the different between being naive and wise.
No she doesn't.
Unlikely, With Carrot treatment, only the post of Second or Captain would feel logical, Carrot is not a leader and was specifically characterize through the strawhats and WITH the strawhats, so if Carrot has to embark on a adventure, it's with the strawhats nowhere else.
Maybe because I'm the one who worked the most on Carrot's case in the entire fanbase from a narrative point of view. There is a lot of characters that I don't take the time to understand, but I do understand Carrot's journey quite well, that just what it is.. you either have the choice to believe me and my argumentation, or stay on your ground.. either way, you will be surprised.
More like the setup, I think Carrot's joining will just be a setup for a closer storyline down the line.
1. I only made ONE Theory (the Carrot for Nakama theory. The rest are just hypothesis, guesses.
2. When those hypothesis are proven wrong I say that I'm wrong.. don't search to much into it mate. I never backtrack I only make explanations and more hypothesis.
For example, I was wrong on Carrot reacting to Luffy defeating Kaido, but it doesn't mean that I was wrong to believe in that possibility or to believe that there is one more moment for Carrot - during the banquet - that would help in the validation of the theory. When i'm wrong, I say it, don't worry, I have no problem with my ego.
And it never happened, I was therefore wrong, Are you satisfied ?
Because it was. From the moment I came here in october, I have always made the distinction between and hypothesis (a guess) and a theory (a strong argumentation composed of multiple work around, different clues and proof, facts and narrative basis etc.) the problem is that you guys never gave up the fanbase mindset being that all guesses are theories. And I'm sorry but I don't agree with that reasonning, it's anti scientific and it hurts critical thinking. Hypothesis are not theories. Never were.
Well that's not nice.
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Ok, well the chapter's spoiler are about to drop so I'm out until the release. So long o/
She will only need something to be RECRUITED/officialized after. So yes, if Carrot joins, she is bound to have a story later, on Elbaf or elsewhere but not on Wano.
IT'S showing her worth as a strawhat because 888 is directly linked to her post.
And this is indeed something that Carrot might learn before the end of Wano or after.
No. Not in the case of Carrot. Carrot went over all of this the moment she decided to sneak on the Sunny telling noone. From that moment, Carrot freed herself from any responsibilities, so unless she learns something about the dawn and therefore uses that as a treigger to join again, Carrot as no ties strong enough with the minks to stay on Zou. Her love for adventure is much stronger.
Secondary characters are not side characters. At least not in my designation, but that's not really important.
Because she was assignated a mission by Kin : to gather weapons. But Carrot went back directly to the strawhats once that mission as over. So she spent best of her time with them.
The thing is, Carrot'ds defeat was not only physical, but psychological. Perospero not only destroyed Carrot, but he humiliated her. That's why Carrot only recovered once Perospero was defeated. At least that's how we can analyse the storyline.
Don't worry, she will ;)
Nah the interaction of Yamato and Luffy are pretty flat narratively.
Wrong, again, Yamato NEVER asked Luffy to join the crew, reread the panel.
1. Carrot is not a leader, so their is no reason she would form anything.
2. Carrot is liked to wonders, she cares for that, she loves that and only the strawhat crew can bring a full load of that
3. It's not really in Carrot's character to ask. So that probably won't happen, if Carrot wants to join, she will just sneak onboard.
Right now I only think Yamato will take care of Momo, meaning will stay by his side as a guide and a trainer.
The difference is: Carrot's fight is directly linked to her character arc and her place on the sea. Yamato's fight is only linked to Wano minus that one interaction with Kaido. That's why I said "good feat, but not enough to help her on the race to the strawhat's flag"
Before Kaido, the gouvernment had no idea of the forces of the country. But now, they know. That's why they are coming NOW. It took the entire alliance and three pirate crew to take down the BigMom/Kaido alliance, now Imagine the gouvernment is coming with 1/2 of that force, they will need everyone and more. Yamato staying on Wano is more than likely on that condition.
Of course, we will see, but that's a little late don't you think ?
Antagonist interaction is still interaction and she interacted also with the crew in Rainbase if I'm not mistaken (Not sure of that)
That's not nice
Of course there is, that her whole character arc mate. Carrot is naive by essence, she had to be scolded again and again of the danger of the seas and even then she did not listen, her interaction with Perospero is directly mentionning that.
That's the WHOLE point of her character arc : to learn that the seas is not always all funzies but that can be hurtfull to, it's supposed to make her doubt. And that's not "big" it's just a setup for her definitive character arc later. It's just something Carrot has to learn.
There is a difference in fighting while thinking the sea was injust to you and fighting while knowing that danger is something that can happen.. it's the different between being naive and wise.
No she doesn't.
Unlikely, With Carrot treatment, only the post of Second or Captain would feel logical, Carrot is not a leader and was specifically characterize through the strawhats and WITH the strawhats, so if Carrot has to embark on a adventure, it's with the strawhats nowhere else.
Maybe because I'm the one who worked the most on Carrot's case in the entire fanbase from a narrative point of view. There is a lot of characters that I don't take the time to understand, but I do understand Carrot's journey quite well, that just what it is.. you either have the choice to believe me and my argumentation, or stay on your ground.. either way, you will be surprised.
More like the setup, I think Carrot's joining will just be a setup for a closer storyline down the line.
1. I only made ONE Theory (the Carrot for Nakama theory. The rest are just hypothesis, guesses.
2. When those hypothesis are proven wrong I say that I'm wrong.. don't search to much into it mate. I never backtrack I only make explanations and more hypothesis.
For example, I was wrong on Carrot reacting to Luffy defeating Kaido, but it doesn't mean that I was wrong to believe in that possibility or to believe that there is one more moment for Carrot - during the banquet - that would help in the validation of the theory. When i'm wrong, I say it, don't worry, I have no problem with my ego.
And it never happened, I was therefore wrong, Are you satisfied ?
Because it was. From the moment I came here in october, I have always made the distinction between and hypothesis (a guess) and a theory (a strong argumentation composed of multiple work around, different clues and proof, facts and narrative basis etc.) the problem is that you guys never gave up the fanbase mindset being that all guesses are theories. And I'm sorry but I don't agree with that reasonning, it's anti scientific and it hurts critical thinking. Hypothesis are not theories. Never were.
Well that's not nice.
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Ok, well the chapter's spoiler are about to drop so I'm out until the release. So long o/
Remember not to spam this thread with posts alluding to spoilers if they have something to do with the topic.
Doesn’t just apply to this week either.
If the spoilers come out and there’s lots of
and things like that posted here it‘s as good as saying what happens in the chapter
Doesn’t just apply to this week either.
If the spoilers come out and there’s lots of
and things like that posted here it‘s as good as saying what happens in the chapter
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