General & Others Next Strawhat Crew Members and the Grand Fleet
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There's a difference in having real arguments and arguing just for semantics sake.
Yamato wanting to be Oden means she wants to live the life that he lived, that of a free man who journeyed and explored the world- an experience that most citizens of Wano don't have. Most likely Yamato wants to do things that Oden did recorded in his journal when he traveled with Roger and Whitebeard. Yamato singles out Oden specifically because Oden had the biggest impact on Yamato before hearing about Luffy from Ace. Oden was the one who rebelled and went against Kaido, he was the man who lit a fire in Yamato's heart that she doesn't have to restrict herself to Wano and serve her father, but that she can be a free person just like Oden was.
When Yamato met Ace, she asked him what the pirate world was like, she didn't ask Ace how to be Shogun of Wano, how to be Oden Kozuki or how to be Momo's babysitter.
It has nothing to do with being Shogun or staying in Wano and babysitting Momo. Yamato wants Oden's freedom to explore the world, not his job as Shogun of Wano that society told him so which Oden himself didn't want, because being Shogun isn't what makes Oden, well Oden. Therefore, Yamato staying in Wano won't make her more like Oden.
When the story has constantly had Yamato say that she will join Luffy's crew and explore the world, and even Momo saying just last chapter telling Yamato to be free and live out her dream, for what reason and where are we gonna find Oda doing the opposite and have Yamato stay in Wano and babysit Momo?
Oda has no further storytelling purposes for having Yamato stay in Wano, so why would he do it?
Saying that Yamato should stay in Wano to help Momo is like saying that Nami should stay in Arlong's basement and continue to draw sea charts for him. Nami didn't want to draw sea charts for Arlong, Nami wanted to draw a map of the world. Similarly, Yamato wants to be the Oden that was free and explored the world, not the Shogun Oden that Kozuki Oden never was and never became.
And saying that Yamato will or should stay just because Momo told her to leave is just a shitty argument. The important thing that Momo said was him telling Yamato that he wanted her to be free because Yamato was locked away in Wano her whole life and never had freedom.
Since when was One Piece about listening to other people and conforming to society, and not about freedom - specifically the freedom to pursue and live out your own dreams? Sorry, but anybody who says Yamato wants to be Oden because of his job as Shogun of Wano must be a Two Piece reader.
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And you think this is funny you cheeky bastard? 
Yamato wanting to be Oden means she wants to live the life that he lived, that of a free man who journeyed and explored the world- an experience that most citizens of Wano don't have. Most likely Yamato wants to do things that Oden did recorded in his journal when he traveled with Roger and Whitebeard. Yamato singles out Oden specifically because Oden had the biggest impact on Yamato before hearing about Luffy from Ace. Oden was the one who rebelled and went against Kaido, he was the man who lit a fire in Yamato's heart that she doesn't have to restrict herself to Wano and serve her father, but that she can be a free person just like Oden was.
When Yamato met Ace, she asked him what the pirate world was like, she didn't ask Ace how to be Shogun of Wano, how to be Oden Kozuki or how to be Momo's babysitter.
It has nothing to do with being Shogun or staying in Wano and babysitting Momo. Yamato wants Oden's freedom to explore the world, not his job as Shogun of Wano that society told him so which Oden himself didn't want, because being Shogun isn't what makes Oden, well Oden. Therefore, Yamato staying in Wano won't make her more like Oden.
When the story has constantly had Yamato say that she will join Luffy's crew and explore the world, and even Momo saying just last chapter telling Yamato to be free and live out her dream, for what reason and where are we gonna find Oda doing the opposite and have Yamato stay in Wano and babysit Momo?
Oda has no further storytelling purposes for having Yamato stay in Wano, so why would he do it?
Saying that Yamato should stay in Wano to help Momo is like saying that Nami should stay in Arlong's basement and continue to draw sea charts for him. Nami didn't want to draw sea charts for Arlong, Nami wanted to draw a map of the world. Similarly, Yamato wants to be the Oden that was free and explored the world, not the Shogun Oden that Kozuki Oden never was and never became.
And saying that Yamato will or should stay just because Momo told her to leave is just a shitty argument. The important thing that Momo said was him telling Yamato that he wanted her to be free because Yamato was locked away in Wano her whole life and never had freedom.
Since when was One Piece about listening to other people and conforming to society, and not about freedom - specifically the freedom to pursue and live out your own dreams? Sorry, but anybody who says Yamato wants to be Oden because of his job as Shogun of Wano must be a Two Piece reader.
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I just got hint from leakers. It's a Tama chapter
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Yup, there is a mod problem in One Piece forums and a bias toward Yamato fans.
No. You still don't understand what subversive affirmation is. And no it was not a storytelling concept.
It has nothing to do with a forshadowing.Those are not what foreshadowing are
Only if you don't understand it.
Choosing to stay on her term is not the opposite of freedom, it's exactly what freedom is. Freedom to choose.
No. You still don't understand what subversive affirmation is. And no it was not a storytelling concept.
It has nothing to do with a forshadowing.Those are not what foreshadowing are
Only if you don't understand it.
Choosing to stay on her term is not the opposite of freedom, it's exactly what freedom is. Freedom to choose.
You don’t think it’s enough as a dream?
Luffy - To find One Piece
Zoro - To be the WSS
Nami - Map of the World
Usopp - To be a brave warrior of the sea
Sanji - To Find the All Blue
Chopper - To find a cure for all ills
Robin - To discover the truth of the gap century
Franky - To create a ship to circumnavigate the globe
Brook - To reunite with Laboon
Jinbe - To create a world where Fishman can live on the surface
All of these dreams are obtainable in the manga and can be shown being obtained. That’s the kind of dream we’re referring to, and likely what Al Sama means when he’s referring to context of a dream.
“I want to sail out to sea and go on adventures! I want to live as free as Oden did!”
If she leaves Wano but she doesn’t go on adventures = she doesn’t accomplish her “dream”
If she leaves Wano but she doesn’t live as free as Oden = she doesn’t accomplish her “dream”
If she left Wano with Kaido, would it mean she accomplishes her “dream”? Even if you don’t count that as her dream, you’re forgetting that it might be possible that she wants to visit Ace’s grave and pay respect for him, giving her hope to live on.
If she leaves Wano but she doesn’t go on adventures = she doesn’t accomplish her “dream”
If she leaves Wano but she doesn’t live as free as Oden = she doesn’t accomplish her “dream”
If she left Wano with Kaido, would it mean she accomplishes her “dream”? Even if you don’t count that as her dream, you’re forgetting that it might be possible that she wants to visit Ace’s grave and pay respect for him, giving her hope to live on.
Again that’s not what she said.
With Kaido dead she’s already free. At this point once she leaves wano to adventure she’s accomplished her dream. And one piece is not a manga about people living their dreams, it’s about people giving their all to accomplish their dreams.
That’s why people say she doesn’t have A dream. Same reason people say carrot doesn’t. Because her dream has no completion condition
With Kaido dead she’s already free. At this point once she leaves wano to adventure she’s accomplished her dream. And one piece is not a manga about people living their dreams, it’s about people giving their all to accomplish their dreams.
That’s why people say she doesn’t have A dream. Same reason people say carrot doesn’t. Because her dream has no completion condition
Dude, she literally said that. Aren’t you reading the manga panel I gave?
And regarding your statement of “people giving their all to accomplish their dreams”, it’s clear that Yamato giving all to accomplish her dream; by symbolically releasing her shackles and with Kaido’s defeat. So that she can finally giving her all to go on adventures and live as free as Oden did. She leaves Wano is the beginning, so later all she’s about to do is having adventures ahead and live freely
So thanks for helping my case
:cheers:
And regarding your statement of “people giving their all to accomplish their dreams”, it’s clear that Yamato giving all to accomplish her dream; by symbolically releasing her shackles and with Kaido’s defeat. So that she can finally giving her all to go on adventures and live as free as Oden did. She leaves Wano is the beginning, so later all she’s about to do is having adventures ahead and live freely
So thanks for helping my case
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