He is still struggle against King (YC1 level). Why he can kill Kaido.
King demonstrated he can most likely defeat Marco in a 1v1 even.
Besides Zoro has yet to use his heavy hitters against King, he is overall not really struggling.
Future Events Oda has made ZKK IMPOSSIBLE to avoid in chapter 1026
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There are different levels of YC1. Obviously Shiryu is not supposed to be the same as Katakuri and so King.
King demonstrated he can most likely defeat Marco in a 1v1 even.
Besides Zoro has yet to use his heavy hitters against King, he is overall not really struggling.
King demonstrated he can most likely defeat Marco in a 1v1 even.
Besides Zoro has yet to use his heavy hitters against King, he is overall not really struggling.
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I always thought that the biggest argument for ZKK is literally that you can't leave Kaido alive after Wano.
If I remember correctly Oda even made Kaido says words like "simply beating me won't change anything" and that Kaido will return to terror Wano again.
Imagine this. Luffy "beats" Kaido and he leaves Wano. Luffy goes on another journey like Elbaf or even starts the final war or some shit and Kaido just comes back once again to terrorize Wano but this time he won't play any games and just annihilate the entire country.
I think Wano or at least Onigashima holds some meaning for the Oni race and Kaido is sort of attracted to it per born with intuition.
Luffy's cliche "crushing people's dreams" won't work in this situation.
If I remember correctly Oda even made Kaido says words like "simply beating me won't change anything" and that Kaido will return to terror Wano again.
Imagine this. Luffy "beats" Kaido and he leaves Wano. Luffy goes on another journey like Elbaf or even starts the final war or some shit and Kaido just comes back once again to terrorize Wano but this time he won't play any games and just annihilate the entire country.
I think Wano or at least Onigashima holds some meaning for the Oni race and Kaido is sort of attracted to it per born with intuition.
Luffy's cliche "crushing people's dreams" won't work in this situation.
Either he dies or Luffy cripples him. If you think Kaido is suddenly going to have a change of heart, you are seriously deluding yourself. He is obviously not gna get a glorious death. You ppl are mad for thinking his wish would ever be granted. This is a man that believes in his sauce, Luffy is gna make him lose his aura of invincibility by breaking his will and watch him try to escape in his dragon form. Only at that point is Zoro going to kill him or Luffy cripples him with KKG.
Are you seriously ? Can you explain this
It's true he was fighting Queen too for a while but when his stamina was good he never felt like giving King many troubles so when factoring all King is likely superior.
Yeah, this
Kaido‘s like Whitebeard, he needs to die for the series to move forward without having him hanging around in the background like Chekov’s nuke. His story has been leading to him dying since his attempted suicide introduction. Big Mom can be written out with amnesia or some shit, Shanks, Dragon, Blackbeard, Sakazuki, they should all be EoS characters anyway.
And the only two characters that are currently on Wano and seem likely to be characters Oda would let kill Kaido- given how rare death is in the series and how important a character he is- are Zoro and Big Mom. And it doesn’t look like Big Mom is likely to try and kill him as things stand.
If Blackbeard shows up, or Sakazuki, or Shanks, or even Dragon as a truly wild guess, then that would change things, but other than them there’s no one who stands out as a potential killer of Kaido.
Oda won’t let Luffy do it. Kid and Law haven’t been important enough. Momo is still mentally a child. Hiyori hasn’t been that relevant. Hard to see him letting Yamato kill her father, no matter how awful he is. Marco, nah, not relevant enough. A Scabbard? Has the reason to kill him, but can’t see Oda picking one of them over Zoro. Orochi? Too weak, should be dealt with separately from Kaido anyway. A CP-0 assassination? Don’t think they’ve been built up enough for that. Even with Luffy being the one to beat Kaido in a fight, killing him is still something that will be impressive, given how everyone has failed to do it so far.
Zoro’s got all the symbolism from Ryuma and Oden to back it up, that’s why he’s the current, by a distant, best bet. Especially with Oda starting to bring Zoro being a Shimotsuki back into the story now we’re at the end of the arc.
Kaido‘s like Whitebeard, he needs to die for the series to move forward without having him hanging around in the background like Chekov’s nuke. His story has been leading to him dying since his attempted suicide introduction. Big Mom can be written out with amnesia or some shit, Shanks, Dragon, Blackbeard, Sakazuki, they should all be EoS characters anyway.
And the only two characters that are currently on Wano and seem likely to be characters Oda would let kill Kaido- given how rare death is in the series and how important a character he is- are Zoro and Big Mom. And it doesn’t look like Big Mom is likely to try and kill him as things stand.
If Blackbeard shows up, or Sakazuki, or Shanks, or even Dragon as a truly wild guess, then that would change things, but other than them there’s no one who stands out as a potential killer of Kaido.
Oda won’t let Luffy do it. Kid and Law haven’t been important enough. Momo is still mentally a child. Hiyori hasn’t been that relevant. Hard to see him letting Yamato kill her father, no matter how awful he is. Marco, nah, not relevant enough. A Scabbard? Has the reason to kill him, but can’t see Oda picking one of them over Zoro. Orochi? Too weak, should be dealt with separately from Kaido anyway. A CP-0 assassination? Don’t think they’ve been built up enough for that. Even with Luffy being the one to beat Kaido in a fight, killing him is still something that will be impressive, given how everyone has failed to do it so far.
Zoro’s got all the symbolism from Ryuma and Oden to back it up, that’s why he’s the current, by a distant, best bet. Especially with Oda starting to bring Zoro being a Shimotsuki back into the story now we’re at the end of the arc.
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I would also add that Zoro beheading Kaido would be such a boost to his credibility and etc.
I also thought this way. See. Mihawk is Zoro's final opponent. He is clearly of the same portrayal as Yonkos despite no panel time. Zoro simply beating the Commanders of said Yonkos and later going to fight Mihawk is going to be poor.
Beheading Kaido guarantees Zoro credibility worthy of Mihawk's attention.
I also thought this way. See. Mihawk is Zoro's final opponent. He is clearly of the same portrayal as Yonkos despite no panel time. Zoro simply beating the Commanders of said Yonkos and later going to fight Mihawk is going to be poor.
Beheading Kaido guarantees Zoro credibility worthy of Mihawk's attention.
Honestly I don't fucking know the correlation between the chapter and ZKK either but If TAC said it is then who am I to judge 
Zoro has a narrative connection with Kaido (Kaido killed his father), Zoro is from Wano
Zoro retrieved Oden's sword and therefore inherited Oden's will. The ZKK doesn't come out of anywhere the arguments are solid and really cohesive, the only thing that bothers you is that Zoro can kill a Yonko. And still we can push the thing even further
Zoro strongly resembles Ryuma the person who is known to have sliced a dragon above the capital, Zoro who misses the only attack that could seriously injure Kaido (same position as Ryuma against the dragon), Zoro has repeatedly expressed his want to kill Kaido
Zoro retrieved Oden's sword and therefore inherited Oden's will. The ZKK doesn't come out of anywhere the arguments are solid and really cohesive, the only thing that bothers you is that Zoro can kill a Yonko. And still we can push the thing even further
Zoro strongly resembles Ryuma the person who is known to have sliced a dragon above the capital, Zoro who misses the only attack that could seriously injure Kaido (same position as Ryuma against the dragon), Zoro has repeatedly expressed his want to kill Kaido
People of wano wants Kaido's head.
Wano is Oda's love letter to Japan. From being a million chapters with acts, to the sound effects changing, to ridiculous shit like the citizens being taller than average compared to these outsiders. A real Japanese jerk off. Yet who were the samurai? The strongest were a gaijin pair of giant house pets.
I get that Luffy is the main character, but Zoro, with his katana and samurai clan heritage and humble warrior spirit, is the last hope of the culture to save face.
in 1026, Luffy declared to onigashima that he would defeat kaido, something Zoro already said that Luffy would do, and then proceeded to clash on par with hybrid kaido while still being in base form, and split the sky with ACoC. Surely this is big evidence that ZKK will happen.
In all seriousness, while I do see the evidence for ZKK, it seems kinda hard to believe at the moment. King, who is capable of fighting 3 sword Zoro without even using hybrid, seems to be a high diff fight for Zoro. Zoro also has a timelimit due to his medication.
If ZKK happens, mark my words, it won't be Zoro defeating Kaido. It will be Zoro executing an already defeated kaido.
What I think could honestly happen, is that King is the dragon Zoro will slay. In Monsters, Ryuuma slayed a western dragon; in punk hazard Zoro also slayed a western dragon. Most high tiers we have seen, such as doffy and katakuri, have shown devil fruit awakening. What if King's awakening makes him look like a western dragon?
Hell, given how the Ushimaru and Ryuma connections to Zoro were made during his fight with King(rather than his fight with kaido), maybe this is how that subplot will be explored. Maybe Oda will reveal that it was actually King who killed Ushimaru(either he did it after he lost to kaido or he never got to see kaido a second time), leading Zoro to beat him and avenge his father.
In any case, it is far too late in the story for the Zoro fan's version of ZKK, a version where Zoro steals Luffy's spotlight and beats Kaido in his place, to conceivably happen
In all seriousness, while I do see the evidence for ZKK, it seems kinda hard to believe at the moment. King, who is capable of fighting 3 sword Zoro without even using hybrid, seems to be a high diff fight for Zoro. Zoro also has a timelimit due to his medication.
If ZKK happens, mark my words, it won't be Zoro defeating Kaido. It will be Zoro executing an already defeated kaido.
What I think could honestly happen, is that King is the dragon Zoro will slay. In Monsters, Ryuuma slayed a western dragon; in punk hazard Zoro also slayed a western dragon. Most high tiers we have seen, such as doffy and katakuri, have shown devil fruit awakening. What if King's awakening makes him look like a western dragon?
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Hell, given how the Ushimaru and Ryuma connections to Zoro were made during his fight with King(rather than his fight with kaido), maybe this is how that subplot will be explored. Maybe Oda will reveal that it was actually King who killed Ushimaru(either he did it after he lost to kaido or he never got to see kaido a second time), leading Zoro to beat him and avenge his father.
In any case, it is far too late in the story for the Zoro fan's version of ZKK, a version where Zoro steals Luffy's spotlight and beats Kaido in his place, to conceivably happen
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BKK - Blackbeard Kills Kaido. Kaido's DF completes the cerberus hints and also makes BB the most complete fighter in OP with literally no weakness besides haki. People say it would be boring but I just don't see how a man with Kaido's invulnerability, Whitebeard's destructive power, and the ability to make black holes would be boring at all.
Also it makes far more sense for Zoro to kill Orochi than Kaido because that's who the real villian of Wano is and Orochi's clan is the most immediate enemy of the Shimotsuki clan. All of the dragon symbolism could just as easily be applied to Orochi. Also mark my words but Oda is going to make Kaido a sympatheic character at the end of this arc through his flashback. Him referencing JoyBoy indicates that there's a lot more to his character that Oda will reveal.
Also it makes far more sense for Zoro to kill Orochi than Kaido because that's who the real villian of Wano is and Orochi's clan is the most immediate enemy of the Shimotsuki clan. All of the dragon symbolism could just as easily be applied to Orochi. Also mark my words but Oda is going to make Kaido a sympatheic character at the end of this arc through his flashback. Him referencing JoyBoy indicates that there's a lot more to his character that Oda will reveal.
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Luffy will eventually move on to Big Mom because he simply doesnt have what it takes to deal with Kaido.
And vs Big Mom, we will have the return of the Auction House trio.
The only thing left that I wonder about is whether Franky will use something vs Kaido and if it will be effective to any degree.
And vs Big Mom, we will have the return of the Auction House trio.
The only thing left that I wonder about is whether Franky will use something vs Kaido and if it will be effective to any degree.
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But no one up til now emphasized on the need to kill a villian like the Scabbards did for Kaidou. Croc, Enel, Doffy were never mentioned as "must be killed in order to achieve victory" in the same breath as the Scabbards did.