Current Events Oda poor writing to portray Kid and Law the "Victory"!! Did they really beat Big Mom? Analyze!

[mly90]

I agree with the BM nerf without those restrictions on her adc coc or awakening i think it would be impossible task for the captain duo to overcome her. I'm also not sure if giving Kid adv CoC would really be that helpful remember first time Luffy actually picked up on it how quickly he lost to Kaido i can see Kid going through the same in which case Law would be left by himself to face BM.

I would say Kid and Law defeated this version of BM though their attacks were working especially Law, she started defending from Kid bull attack previous chapter blocking it with that tower. In the latest chapter Kid's rail gun attack is clearly hurting her while at the same time restricting her movement. She could only order her homies in that state so she gets cred for amazing endurance but it was clear imo she was quite desperate and at her limit reaching for anything that could help her even before those bombs dropped on her.

 

[Veku]

The environment beat Linlin.

Oda beat her.

 

[Date]

Dont understand this urge to have tipical manga tournamnet fights u guys have, its clear since the start of the series that in fight between pirates whats matters is who survive not if the fight is fair or if it makes hard to fit in the headcanon of guys who think all mangas need a DBZ-like powerscale

 

[Ryuarashi]

In my opinion, this was the correct way for Oda to have Big Mom defeated. Obviously Kid and Law were not ready to take her out in a straight fight, which would have been a major issue if Law and Kid finished off Big Mom with just awakening attacks. This was the most convincing way to make her "lose" without actually making her lose.

And this is what Kidd fans are crying about. They expected Kidd's laser to KO Big Mom so they can powerscale

 

[stealthblack]

They did. Law created the hole, it was not random placed or luck

The bomb falling was inly luck, non law factor but unlikely that was what did much damage

 

[Malio]

Think of this fight like a sumo fight. You either win by 1) knocking your opponent out (or killing them in the Juan Peso world), 2) having them surrender or capturing them (their back touching their canvas in sumo) or 3) getting them out of the battlefield (out the ring). Law and Midd did 3 and stopped her reaching the roof, so that's their W. Of course doesn't mean they're stronger than her, just that they fulfilled their objectives and she didn't

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The way I see it, and it does make the most sense, is that Law and Midd can't actually physically beat a Yonko (something that Luffy will do) so they're are currently at a level below him, which is using their most powerful attacks to BFR their opponent. Still got ways to go

 

[ShinmenTakezo]

Agree about some things, disagree about others.

1) Kid´s performance is not bad, he just has different strengths than Law. Kid received BM´s attacks on rooftop, was stabbed and so forth by Hawkins, always seemed like the primary target of BM until Law significantly hurt her and so forth, he essentially played the RPG like tank while being nerfed and provided Law with the opportunity to land his attacks in the first place which otherwise would not land.
So Kid tank, Law traditional damager.

2) Agree about the disappointment of putting these two vs BM, it´s a fight without any significant buildup, heck Kid even underlines in Udon that he just sank a few ships of hers but otherwise there is no beef.
Even worse, both Kid and Law kind of admitted their inferiority compared to Luffy and made him the main star, really disappointing.
I mean Law was apparent already since Dressrosa, Kid joined the ranks.

3) We told you guys that at least Big Mom is a buffoon who relies on her physical gifts and her luckily obtained DF without any skill, now people blame Oda as usual. For one, BM was using advCoC in the fight, Oda just skipped to show it explicitly (see the Usopp pretend scene ch1024). There is no logic in BM using traditional CoC to knock out fodder in that situation while fighting Law and Kid, so it is advCoC. Why Oda has not shown her using it on page? Anybody´s guess, but considering she used it at least once, it´s not the game changer people like to pretend it is, especially since it was during Kid getting stabbed by Hawkins and lying on the floor, meaning even in that situation it was not crucial. Just because she was able to knock out a mid tier like P1 does not lead to being her best asset.
Second, Awakening is a sign of mastery and skill, both of which BM hardly has any, so it´s pretty consistent she does not have it.
WCI already heavily featured her buffoonery, she was outclassed in skill by her son, betrayed by one of her main weapons, and was humiliated over and over. Sensible people saw what was coming for her, but people like to cling onto titles like Yonkou rather than what´s shown.
And here we are.
BTW, Luffy ain´t fighting her after this, it´s over.

 

[Roo]

Agree about some things, disagree about others.

1) Kid´s performance is not bad, he just has different strengths than Law. Kid received BM´s attacks on rooftop, was stabbed and so forth by Hawkins, always seemed like the primary target of BM until Law significantly hurt her and so forth, he essentially played the RPG like tank while being nerfed and provided Law with the opportunity to land his attacks in the first place which otherwise would not land.
So Kid tank, Law traditional damager.

2) Agree about the disappointment of putting these two vs BM, it´s a fight without any significant buildup, heck Kid even underlines in Udon that he just sank a few ships of hers but otherwise there is no beef.
Even worse, both Kid and Law kind of admitted their inferiority compared to Luffy and made him the main star, really disappointing.
I mean Law was apparent already since Dressrosa, Kid joined the ranks.

3) We told you guys that at least Big Mom is a buffoon who relies on her physical gifts and her luckily obtained DF without any skill, now people blame Oda as usual. For one, BM was using advCoC in the fight, Oda just skipped to show it explicitly (see the Usopp pretend scene ch1024). There is no logic in BM using traditional CoC to knock out fodder in that situation while fighting Law and Kid, so it is advCoC. Why Oda has not shown her using it on page? Anybody´s guess, but considering she used it at least once, it´s not the game changer people like to pretend it is, especially since it was during Kid getting stabbed by Hawkins and lying on the floor, meaning even in that situation it was not crucial. Just because she was able to knock out a mid tier like P1 does not lead to being her best asset.
Second, Awakening is a sign of mastery and skill, both of which BM hardly has any, so it´s pretty consistent she does not have it.
WCI already heavily featured her buffoonery, she was outclassed in skill by her son, betrayed by one of her main weapons, and was humiliated over and over. Sensible people saw what was coming for her, but people like to cling onto titles like Yonkou rather than what´s shown.
And here we are.
BTW, Luffy ain´t fighting her after this, it´s over.

Kid really should've been reintroduced in WCI

 

[Necrohol]

Very cheap indeed. I loved the fight, but hated the PIS and the cheap victory.

 

[PurpleSwordsman]

Yes, they defeated her since they removed her from the battlefield. So that counts too.


When thread about wanking this Yonko btw (BigMom > Kaido)? Bcs right now, BM has better feats than Kaido. She just casually took 2 island lvl bombs in the face and fell dozens of kms below after all the stuff Kid and Law did to her, what a fucking monster
Should I do it

No wonder Roger didnt want to confront her and stole the Poneglyph

 

[ShinmenTakezo]

Kid really should've been reintroduced in WCI

Yeah the buildup would have been appropriate.

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Agree about some things, disagree about others.

1) Kid´s performance is not bad, he just has different strengths than Law. Kid received BM´s attacks on rooftop, was stabbed and so forth by Hawkins, always seemed like the primary target of BM until Law significantly hurt her and so forth, he essentially played the RPG like tank while being nerfed and provided Law with the opportunity to land his attacks in the first place which otherwise would not land.
So Kid tank, Law traditional damager.

2) Agree about the disappointment of putting these two vs BM, it´s a fight without any significant buildup, heck Kid even underlines in Udon that he just sank a few ships of hers but otherwise there is no beef.
Even worse, both Kid and Law kind of admitted their inferiority compared to Luffy and made him the main star, really disappointing.
I mean Law was apparent already since Dressrosa, Kid joined the ranks.

3) We told you guys that at least Big Mom is a buffoon who relies on her physical gifts and her luckily obtained DF without any skill, now people blame Oda as usual. For one, BM was using advCoC in the fight, Oda just skipped to show it explicitly (see the Usopp pretend scene ch1024). There is no logic in BM using traditional CoC to knock out fodder in that situation while fighting Law and Kid, so it is advCoC. Why Oda has not shown her using it on page? Anybody´s guess, but considering she used it at least once, it´s not the game changer people like to pretend it is, especially since it was during Kid getting stabbed by Hawkins and lying on the floor, meaning even in that situation it was not crucial. Just because she was able to knock out a mid tier like P1 does not lead to being her best asset.
Second, Awakening is a sign of mastery and skill, both of which BM hardly has any, so it´s pretty consistent she does not have it.
WCI already heavily featured her buffoonery, she was outclassed in skill by her son, betrayed by one of her main weapons, and was humiliated over and over. Sensible people saw what was coming for her, but people like to cling onto titles like Yonkou rather than what´s shown.
And here we are.
BTW, Luffy ain´t fighting her after this, it´s over.

Just another point to add, while i do not disagree about the notion that the bombs gave her the last damage, she was already beaten mentally before since she literally had a monologue about Roger putting these strong upstarts against her and then disappearing.
Law and Kid after that statement were not losing the fight, also supported by both of them just seeing her as defeated old hag at that point.

 

[Flower]

Kid really should've been reintroduced in WCI

I agree. He was barely even in the Wano arc. Would have been better had Luffy picked him up on WCI and taken him with him to Wano.

 

[Roo]

I agree. He was barely even in the Wano arc. Would have been better had Luffy picked him up on WCI and taken him with him to Wano.

Switch Kid with Urouge in the pirate alliance with Hawkins and Apoo. Have Kid be a casualty of venturing into BM's territory and getting far. Killer is forced to leave Kid behind with his crew per Kid's request and then gets captured by Kaido who's looking to recruit worst generation members

That would make WCI and Wano 10x more interesting

 

[WesMidnight]

They didn't "beat her", she wouldn't be unconscious without the bomb. (if she even is ko'd)

 

[Flower]

Switch Kid with Urouge in the pirate alliance with Hawkins and Apoo. Have Kid be a casualty of venturing into BM's territory and getting far. Killer is forced to leave Kid behind with his crew per Kid's request and then gets captured by Kaido who's looking to recruit worst generation members

That would make WCI and Wano 10x more interesting

Feels like this was supposed to be the plot, but scratched because editors rushed Oda to start Wano.

 

[Midnight Delight]

Switch Kid with Urouge in the pirate alliance with Hawkins and Apoo. Have Kid be a casualty of venturing into BM's territory and getting far. Killer is forced to leave Kid behind with his crew per Kid's request and then gets captured by Kaido who's looking to recruit worst generation members

That would make WCI and Wano 10x more interesting

We don't know what Oda's original plan was.

We know that Katakuri wasn't meant to be a Luffy opponent and that Doflamingo was meant to be defeated in Wano. All of this leading to the fact that The Yonko saga is probably the saga that Oda rewrote the most

 

[ShadyOjiro]

BM indeed looked like she was fine enough to return and beat them for good.

The bombs.... situational damage that beat a yonko.
Her coo is just so bad.

 

[Ven437]

Second, Awakening is a sign of mastery and skill, both of which BM hardly has any, so it´s pretty consistent she does not have it.

This is a dumb take. She literally runs an entire country passively with her DF, let alone the army and the versatility in battle her DF grants her.

The only drawback is that it requires intimidation, otherwise it is pretty much in the top range of hax.

 

[Steven]

BTW, Luffy ain´t fighting her after this, it´s over.

See you in elbaf when BM shows her full arsenal

People like you claiming BM is done but she aint dead

 

[ShinmenTakezo]

This is a dumb take. She literally runs an entire country passively with her DF, let alone the army and the versatility in battle her DF grants her.

The only drawback is that it requires intimidation, otherwise it is pretty much in the top range of hax.

Hax is not skill and mastery. Taking soul and imbuing stuff with it is literally the basic application of her ability.