Current Events Oda poor writing to portray Kid and Law the "Victory"!! Did they really beat Big Mom? Analyze!
Chapter period means little, direct statements of time are what are most important, we had a direct statement that Luffy fought Kaido for 20-30 minutes. We had no such statement of time for Kidd and other events going on would necessitate longer periods of time, because Kidd is less important to the story than Luffy...
In any case the "no rest" argument is dead, because Kid canonically had 20-30 minutes of rest before fighting Big Mom.
Also saying that Kid using his fruit to stall out a non CoC using Big Mom is more stamina draining than forcing yourself out of unconsciousness, and learning adv CoC "sloppily" on the fly, fighting with your body not your stall fruit, is complete cap.
In any case the "no rest" argument is dead, because Kid canonically had 20-30 minutes of rest before fighting Big Mom.
Also saying that Kid using his fruit to stall out a non CoC using Big Mom is more stamina draining than forcing yourself out of unconsciousness, and learning adv CoC "sloppily" on the fly, fighting with your body not your stall fruit, is complete cap.
Luffy didn't really beat Doflamingo. It was the ground. 
Kid and Law just couldn't hurt Big Mom... Meanwhile Big Mom
How is that "obvious" when she's literally sucking the life out of people when she's at death's door? You realize she already took some life from some randos at the end?
Or is Big Mom sucking the lives of people when she's about to bite the dust fair game in your "2 v. 1 arena" style?
Kid and Law just couldn't hurt Big Mom... Meanwhile Big Mom
How is that "obvious" when she's literally sucking the life out of people when she's at death's door? You realize she already took some life from some randos at the end?
Or is Big Mom sucking the lives of people when she's about to bite the dust fair game in your "2 v. 1 arena" style?
She simply used it bc she wanted to eliminate them all at once - which is perfectly clear by her laughing at Kidd and his attack, while taunting him and stating that they can choose whether they would like to be slaves or lose 50 years of lifespan.
She was in such (relatively) good shape while falling, that she was about to write an entire philosophical book on her way down, while still being perfectly clear that even this fall + bomb is nowhere near enough to kill her.
As for your delusional Doflamingo example: He was out cold the moment KKG hit him. BM instead had the rant of the century, while not caring for any actual effects of "Damned Punk" on her own body at all. She would've pretty obviously wiped the performance floor with Kidd & Law - like she did before those last two hail mary attempts - if not for those very specific circumstances (Onigashima in mid-air + hole in the ground + nukes in the basement).
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What would they suggest about this recent Wano clash.
I terms of her defeat, i think this is the most appropriate way. This way it is shown that a Yonko isn't anything to be underestimated. It takes way more than that to beat a Yonko for good. Let alone to kill. We saw how much it took to kill an already dying whitebeard, this way we can see that BM is close at the league of whitebeard.
But i have to agree that there are so many flaws in the fight. Like why showing BM having adcoc when she isn't using it at all also all of her crazy attack in wci.
But i have to agree that there are so many flaws in the fight. Like why showing BM having adcoc when she isn't using it at all also all of her crazy attack in wci.
Literally every single thing you wrote is headcanon with 0 facts. Good job.
Big Mom used Soul Pocus to eliminate who all at once? What the fuck are you talking about? If she could have defeated Kid/Law with that she would have done it since the start.
She clearly used it to gain more life for herself because like Law/Kid stated she was at death's door. If you want to delude yourself go ahead.
Kid/Law are looking at her like she's pathetic. That should show you the battle was over. It's the same exact thing as Moriah's desperate attempts at the end in TB.
Big Mom used Soul Pocus to eliminate who all at once? What the fuck are you talking about? If she could have defeated Kid/Law with that she would have done it since the start.
She clearly used it to gain more life for herself because like Law/Kid stated she was at death's door. If you want to delude yourself go ahead.
Kid/Law are looking at her like she's pathetic. That should show you the battle was over. It's the same exact thing as Moriah's desperate attempts at the end in TB.
Literally every single thing you wrote is headcanon with 0 facts. Good job.
Big Mom used Soul Pocus to eliminate who all at once? What the fuck are you talking about? If she could have defeated Kid/Law with that she would have done it since the start.
She clearly used it to gain more life for herself because like Law/Kid stated she was at death's door. If you want to delude yourself go ahead.
Kid/Law are looking at her like she's pathetic. That should show you the battle was over. It's the same exact thing as Moriah's desperate attempts at the end in TB.
Big Mom used Soul Pocus to eliminate who all at once? What the fuck are you talking about? If she could have defeated Kid/Law with that she would have done it since the start.
She clearly used it to gain more life for herself because like Law/Kid stated she was at death's door. If you want to delude yourself go ahead.
Kid/Law are looking at her like she's pathetic. That should show you the battle was over. It's the same exact thing as Moriah's desperate attempts at the end in TB.
If you read the chapter and came to the conclusion that "she's on death's door", I really don't know what to say anymore.
I really don't understand how you can be so adamant in interpreting stuff your very own way (literally everyone agrees with me and mocks you) and still have the nerve to call my observations "headcanon".
Not that I care that much tbh (just to remind you: it's only a manga), but it's quite irritating.
Literally every single thing you wrote is headcanon with 0 facts. Good job.
Big Mom used Soul Pocus to eliminate who all at once? What the fuck are you talking about? If she could have defeated Kid/Law with that she would have done it since the start.
She clearly used it to gain more life for herself because like Law/Kid stated she was at death's door. If you want to delude yourself go ahead.
Kid/Law are looking at her like she's pathetic. That should show you the battle was over. It's the same exact thing as Moriah's desperate attempts at the end in TB.
Big Mom used Soul Pocus to eliminate who all at once? What the fuck are you talking about? If she could have defeated Kid/Law with that she would have done it since the start.
She clearly used it to gain more life for herself because like Law/Kid stated she was at death's door. If you want to delude yourself go ahead.
Kid/Law are looking at her like she's pathetic. That should show you the battle was over. It's the same exact thing as Moriah's desperate attempts at the end in TB.
a lot if illiterate people browse this forum
3 years later and the fight is still ass
We still have this stuff
Would be a massive L for Oda to made this sub-plot since FMI up to WCI just to abbonded it for no reasons at all
On top of that
And the fact that Zeus still exist means BM is not dead as her DF Power is still active
We still have this stuff
Would be a massive L for Oda to made this sub-plot since FMI up to WCI just to abbonded it for no reasons at all
On top of that
And the fact that Zeus still exist means BM is not dead as her DF Power is still active
