Current Events Oda poor writing to portray Kid and Law the "Victory"!! Did they really beat Big Mom? Analyze!

[Buusatan94]

Would you have liked some time dedicated to the Kidd/Apoo/Hawkins Alliance (had Kaido not shown up, naturally) to defeat her then?

She had no interaction or real beef with Kid, Apoo, Hawkins or Law. Her story conclusion, alongside her issues with Mother Carmel, Streusen and the giants should have been in Elbaf.

As for the Supernovas, I have always felt that Kaido's defeat should have been a team effort by the Supernovas, and not just Luffy.

 

[Johnny B. Decent]

She had no interaction or real beef with Kid, Apoo, Hawkins or Law. Her story conclusion, alongside her issues with Mother Carmel, Streusen and the giants should have been in Elbaf.

As for the Supernovas, I have always felt that Kaido's defeat should have been a team effort by the Supernovas, and not just Luffy.

Kidd did defeat Snack and stole some Poneglyph rubbings from her.

And Elbaf wouldn't work, as A. The final saga is started off with two big pillars like her and Kaido gone, and B. Would be immensely bloated if the arc featured her, Loki and the Holy Knights.

 

[Buusatan94]

Kidd did defeat Snack and stole some Poneglyph rubbings from her.

And Elbaf wouldn't work, as A. The final saga is started off with two big pillars like her and Kaido gone, and B. Would be immensely bloated if the arc featured her, Loki and the Holy Knights.

It wasn't known at the time, and it wans't enough to justify their matchup, when Kidd and her had so little interaction and beef while he had very serious beef and reasons to hate Kaido for everything Kaido did to him and his crew.

And she has many ties and unresolved issues with Elbaf and the giants, with the presence of the presence of the Holy Knights (who weren't a factor until very recently) not being a neccessity.

 

[Johnny B. Decent]

Unfortunately, it just feels there really wasn't a perfect time to handle her defeat. Obviously, Luffy wasn't ready at Whole Cake, it happened at Wano, but it cut away from Kaido's own defeat and Elbaf was too far away.

And for example, if she was defeated on Whole Cake, by Teach or a Supernova Alliance, while Wano was occurring, it would have to be shown on-screen, and some people may have not liked that, either, since it would be cutting away from the "main" story.

Oh well.

 

[Ven437]

BM vs Law and Kidd to this day remains one of the coolest fights scene by scene, but poorly thought out direction with lots of inconsistencies and lack of tension and stakes

Over half of the fight was off-screened including Round 1 where she beat their ass, so we had no way of seeing how powerful BM was or how she even got TIRED. She didn't use ACoC, a power that all OG Yonko had, at best we got a statement of Speed saying her CoC echoes which btw wtf does that even mean?

All the spotlight was given to Law and Kidd who relied on huge amounts of plot to land attacks on her

Then her final attack Misery was so lackluster and trivial since a massively exhausted Law negged it

Oda knew it would be extremely difficult drawing BM getting tired out and extreme-diff so 1) he offscreened their fight with her starting tired, 2) nerfed her so hard where her attacks were barely matching the duo, not using 1/10th of her full arsenal 3) created a contrived way of taking her out by using the bomb subplot which we know could destroy the whole island

She had a great backstory, great motivations, great dynamic with Kaido and Luffy. All for her to go to take 2nd place cuz Kaido was the main big bad of the arc. Kizaru got similar treatment, where we saw good buildup until he was cast aside for Gorosei taking over the show

 

[Monkey D Theories]

It doesn’t really matter if you say that Kid and Law’s win was contrived or fake or whatever

because dethroning a yonko is an honor given to only 4 characters:

1. Teach
2. Luffy
3. Kid
4. Law

Teach literally swooped in to finish the job after Akainu and the marines did most of the work.

Luffy had ample help in his fight.

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That fight ultimately does position Kid and Law to become yonko once Shanks/Teach/Buggy fall

 

[zzShinichi]

Oda might fumble on Kid and Law's victory but he delivered on Big Mom's speech during her freefall.
Wayyyyy better than Kaido's sucking Joy Boy's dick during his last moment

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

BM vs Law and Kidd to this day remains one of the coolest fights scene by scene

I haven't reread it in awhile but isn't it Kidd & Law taking turns hitting Linlin, then Linlin getting her turn to attack? I don't remember anything interesting happening combat-wise. A lot of people were pretty disappointed with how Kidd used his fruit.

 

[Johnny B. Decent]

I haven't reread it in awhile but isn't it Kidd & Law taking turns hitting Linlin, then Linlin getting her turn to attack? I don't remember anything interesting happening combat-wise. A lot of people were pretty disappointed with how Kidd used his fruit.

They want him to be more like Magneto.

Of course, some of the crap Magneto has done is less "electromagnetism" and just outright magic at some points.

 

[Fn Lucci]

As a co-main event, it's down there with Kuwabara using that energy frying pan

 

[SkySanji]

He really had no choice but to write it the way he did, as on paper, Kidd/Law had zero chance of actually taking down Big Mom, hence all the plot armor and defeat by BFR.

 

[BattalGazi]

Bigmom is the biggest clown in One piece so she deserves everything that happens to her and to think she thought of beating oyaji and becoming PK what a joke

 

[Monkey D Theories]

They want him to be more like Magneto.

Of course, some of the crap Magneto has done is less "electromagnetism" and just outright magic at some points.

I enjoy that Oda puts his own spin on magnetism

 

[PuckTheGreat]

3 years later and the fight is still ass

We still have this stuff

Would be a massive L for Oda to made this sub-plot since FMI up to WCI just to abbonded it for no reasons at all

On top of that

And the fact that Zeus still exist means BM is not dead as her DF Power is still active

I hear you but I'm good tbh
Luffy fighting and beating Linlin will not accomplish anything plot wise. Plus not really interested in seeing her job more.
She's been shit on enough already so hope Oda just lets her die as is. If she comes back as a minor antagonist in the form of Moria's zombie or sumin like that then fair enough otherwise I'm good with the Zeus plot inconsistency. That is, if it even is in the first place coz zeus has technically merged with the clima tact iirc, so that could be enough to justify him still be a ting.

 

[MonsterKaido]

Oda only did justice to law in that fight. It was basically law showing off his OP abilities.

After BM used bigger mom , oda could have given her awakening which she can use to turn at least one floor to big powerful homie.
The fight would have been lot more interesting.

Then BM gets out of the island and creates strongest possible homie using awakening, powering up the homies which are already there and making a new air homie and combining all into one island level homie which should have same size as Kaido's flame dragon.

Kidd uses lots of metals and creates a huge golem like bullet in movie stampede. Law uses I room can makes his sword much broader and bigger. They fight for sometime after which Kidd creates island level sized damned punk and law extends his sword for puncture wille.

BM's island level homie clashed with Kidd's island level damned punk and law's PW and finally gets overpowered which leads to both law and Kidd push BM in the volcano by themselves.

Simple as that. Oda simply didn't try much.

 

[Ven437]

I haven't reread it in awhile but isn't it Kidd & Law taking turns hitting Linlin, then Linlin getting her turn to attack? I don't remember anything interesting happening combat-wise. A lot of people were pretty disappointed with how Kidd used his fruit.

I said scene-by-scene, not overall choreography

Shockwille, Puncture Wille, Maser Saber, Ikkoku, Bigger Mum transformation, Misery, life healing and power-up, Damned Punk, all looked so good. It’s the most variety of DF abilities in one battle that Oda’s ever drawn. A DF enjoyer’s cake dream for ability rap sheet

But the sheet was strung so lazily and sloppy for the choreography you think the battle is an RPG game

To this day I still am in disbelief how BM was unable to simply grab a sitting duck Law from her chest and throw him far away. Never mind how he withstood a barrage of CoA punches from her in place when her raw strength two-shot Queen and crushed the ground beneath them

 

[Juanpiz]

I enjoy that Oda puts his own spin on magnetism

Looking back to sabbody Law,Apoo and Hawkins had cooler and nicer df

 

[Djordje]

Its high time people realise outside of straw hats no character will get decent , detailed fight in manga and that includes top tiers. Best you can hope for is couple battle scans instead of complete off panel battle.

 

[Juanpiz]

Its high time people realise outside of straw hats no character will get decent , detailed fight in manga and that includes top tiers. Best you can hope for is couple battle scans instead of complete off panel battle.

Bb vs ace was quite long

 

[PuckTheGreat]

Honestly I wish Oda stuck to his initial plans of writing Doffy into Wano & gone for Joker v Law instead of Big Mom v Law & X. Would’ve been a lot more organic & better direction for Law’s character in terms of his motivations & end goals imo. Dude was never really interested in the PK title but Oda forced it regardless.

Reason why that fight was so shite in my opinion was coz Oda capped both Kidd & Law & didn’t really have a concrete direction he was gonna go with them after it. At the very least with regards to Kidd. Was never really gonna write then as legit contenders of the ONE PIECE. He just ran with the leaders of the new gen ting for vibes & the evidence of that is his treatment of Kidd post Wano. Could’ve easily written them to to be strong enough to beat Lilin in a less contrived manner if he wanted to. I mean Kidd was also on Udon with Luffy, what was stopping him from writing both learning Ryou for example? Rather he decided to nerf Linlin & have her lose in a contentious manner instead. Which just ended up wasting what could’ve been a very interesting Yonko