General & Others Oda's biggest mistake

[Hiragaro]

Developing a pirate manga, where actually hardly any character faces serious consequences and where themes like alcohol/sex/murder are very rarely adressed.

The fact that the SH's never face any harsh consequences no matter what they do or in what situation they are - is one of the worst things in OP. Never does any of them lose anything or get atleast a scar. No, if you have lost a teeth just drink some milk and it magicaly instantly gives you a new one. Got a hole in your stomach? No problem! Just eat some meat and it heals in no time!...
It got so bad to the point, that i think literaly EVERYTHING can happen just to safe the SH's. Nami could be tied up in front of BM, no one there to safe her, BM would slip on a banana peel, hit her head and turn into O-lin...very believable at this point.
How many times did they got caught? And not a single time did the bad guy just kill them...NOOOOO, let them alive, cuz why not?

Remember? The New World was supposed to be sooooo dangerous and unforgivable...yeah, the Pre-TS looks more dangerous than this.
Kid is the only example i can really think off, where a character had to deal with consequences - he lost one arm!
But interestingly only people who can use their DF's to replace missing bodyparts actualy lose them sometimes...which kinda takes away the consequence someone would have to deal with a bodypart less...

I am never worried about the SH's anymore, because nothing will happen to them anyways. Luffy could be alone in MF surrounded by all the Admirals, Vize Admirals etc. and their order was to kill Luffy, he would get out of there alive, one way or another.

 

[Formerly Seth]

It's unfair to compare Oda with Togashi though.

Oda is a very hard worker, who has created a nice shonen manga and really great world.

As a storywriter he is several steps below Togashi though (as is almost every mangaka).

Not really a knock on Oda, it's just the cold hard truth.

I'm not taking shots at Oda right now but I think that he took a route in which it's profitable to run the story as he does.

Because obviously the stores will sell almost Naked Nami figurines or Chopper with some kids rather than Gon transforming to a fucking monster almost and stomping Ants. ( You should probably understand my message ).

I'm not saying Oda went FT route but NGL it looks more and more friendly for the kids.

This bullshit with Luffy not killing his opponents because if he left them beaten they can't achieve their dream would be worse.

C'mon if you are at least 20+ you'd not believe in this type of bullshit.

 

[Balen]

The fact that the SH's never face any harsh consequences no matter what they do or in what situation they are - is one of the worst things in OP. Never does any of them lose anything or get atleast a scar. No, if you have lost a teeth just drink some milk and it magicaly instantly gives you a new one. Got a hole in your stomach? No problem! Just eat some meat and it heals in no time!...
It got so bad to the point, that i think literaly EVERYTHING can happen just to safe the SH's. Nami could be tied up in front of BM, no one there to safe her, BM would slip on a banana peel, hit her head and turn into O-lin...very believable at this point.
How many times did they got caught? And not a single time did the bad guy just kill them...NOOOOO, let them alive, cuz why not?

Remember? The New World was supposed to be sooooo dangerous and unforgivable...yeah, the Pre-TS looks more dangerous than this.
Kid is the only example i can really think off, where a character had to deal with consequences - he lost one arm!
But interestingly only people who can use their DF's to replace missing bodyparts actualy lose them sometimes...which kinda takes away the consequence someone would have to deal with a bodypart less...

I am never worried about the SH's anymore, because nothing will happen to them anyways. Luffy could be alone in MF surrounded by all the Admirals, Vize Admirals etc. and their order was to kill Luffy, he would get out there alive, one way or another.

Tbh one piece would have been boring if there were consequences

 

[sanjikun]

Wtf, you realize that you actually proved my point?

Luffy's G2 jet bazooka hardly even damages Marigold. She's perfectly fine the very next panel.

That's one of his very strongest G2 attacks btw, multiple times stronger than anything he can do in his baseform and it still did almost zero damage to sb using CoA.

He beat Crocodile in base form,which couldn't even threaten Blueno.

Really, stop sucking Oda's cock and accept reality ffs.

(1) No, it didn't prove your point, because Oda is not gonna have Luffy pummel a woman bloody. He broke her weapon while she was defending with Haki in G2.... and he didn't even use Gear 3, which has more striking power. I.E. See Rob Lucci

Ffs, you had 16 yo Marguerite with CoA. Luffy could shit on her.

(2) Couldn't threaten Blueno in base? Um, what?

Only reason he couldn't beat Blueno was he kept escaping through his doors. Base Luffy >>> Blueno in terms of fighting ability.

 

[dirtyLarry]

(1) No, it didn't prove your point, because Oda is not gonna have Luffy pummel a woman bloody. He broke her weapon while she was defending with Haki in G2.... and he didn't even use Gear 3, which has more striking power. I.E. See Rob Lucci

Ffs, you had 16 yo Marguerite with CoA. Luffy could shit on her.

(2) Couldn't threaten Blueno in base? Um, what?

Only reason he couldn't beat Blueno was he kept escaping through his doors. Base Luffy >>> Blueno in terms of fighting ability.

I honestly can't believe you're actually trying to justify base Luffy beating Crocodile with such nonsense.

Like I said: He never used any kind of haki during their fight. Claiming something else really is just some fanfiction.

 

[Hiragaro]

Tbh one piece would have been boring if there were consequences

How?
It would make the whole Manga more interesting and more realistic. You would actualy be worried about the characters, because they would have to face consequences and something bad could happen to them, like loosing an arm or something. Or that people would actualy die sometimes. But no, in OP even the "dead" people come back to life...

 

[Balen]

How?
It would make the whole Manga more interesting and more realistic. You would actualy be worried about the characters, because they would have to face consequences and something bad could happen to them, like loosing an arm or something. Or that people would actualy die sometimes. But no, in OP even the "dead" people come back to life...

Well, op is shonen so oda can't bring things like rape, murder, gore into one piece(hence op is famous and has so many fans) , however there were actually some serious consequences between saboady and the end of marineford just like, luffy losing 20 years of his life, and the scar from akainu, ace and wb dying etc,

 

[BlackLegFring]

Not sure if I’d say “mistake,” it did seem rather wishy-washy for Oda to showcase how bad war is and even have Luffy say that “people die” to Vivi, yet closely affiliated characters like Pell survive despite Alabasta’s war and Pagaya survives despite Skypiea’s war. He seemed to “relegate” the deaths of humanoid characters we got to know to flashbacks until Marineford, but even then, with Ace and Whitebeard’s deaths being so close to the timeskip, they’ve pretty much ended up as flashback deaths anyway. Oda seems more willing to bring more meaningful deaths to the present like Pedro and Yasuie’s deaths these days though.

Even with Pedro's death he made it so that Pedro didn't have long to live anyway since Big Mom took some of his life force. It seems like Oda is reluctant to kill off characters without suggesting that they would die anyway.

The reluctance to keep characters dead is the thing that bothers me the most about Oda's writing, so it would be that for me. There can still be a big party at the end of an arc to celebrate victory even if people died along the way.

 

[Formerly Seth]

Well, op is shonen so oda can't bring things like rape, murder, gore into one piece(hence op is famous and has so many fans) , however there were actually some serious consequences between saboady and the end of marineford just like, luffy losing 20 years of his life, and the scar from akainu, ace and wb dying etc,

He don't need to include rape, murder and gore but he should at least have some balls to do bold things.

Kids who read One Piece are growing and they will be the same age most of us are now today.

With how much One Piece scales in popularity over Japan, it certainly has some impact on a lot of people.

He shows slavery and etc. but showing that trust in your friends is everything won't help you in the real world assuming that someone is inspired by One piece story ( which is most likely never happening or super rarely but I think you understood a little what I tried to say ).

 

[Hiragaro]

however there were actually some serious consequences between saboady and the end of marineford just like, luffy losing 20 years of his life, and the scar from akainu, ace and wb dying.

Which happend all in one Arc and never again.

Well, op is shonen so oda can't bring things like rape, murder, gore into one piece

Murder and gore happens in OP. But murder happens only in FB's and Blood doesn't mean anything in OP. You can lose 5 liter and stil life.
OP being a shonen doesn't forbid it too have those things.

 

[Robin swan]

I would say his there is a tie for his worst mistake

1A : making death irreverent - death in any fiction is supposed to a impact moment for whatever reason. It can be for character growth, story consistency (when a character get to op), character motive etc. But in op even when characters should seemingly get death injuries they don't die. And when the idea of a character being dead is brought up most of people need to see a body to make sure they are dead.

1B : making it so high tiers and up can fight for days - this is obviously bad since you have to freeze the entire story but the 2 characters fighting to show the fight. This was just a bad idea since characters have to be doing something while top tiers are fighting. This goes double for luffy since he's supposed to get weaker if he doesn't eat so during days long fight he's supposed be allowed to go stuff his face then keep fighting? Imo this is the reason we never see top tier fighting 1 v 1 to the end cuz if it was allotted its time to actually tell the fight then it would take years.

 

[sanjikun]

I honestly can't believe you're actually trying to justify base Luffy beating Crocodile with such nonsense.

Like I said: He never used any kind of haki during their fight. Claiming something else really is just some fanfiction.

Again, you're making Haki sound like the holy grail. It isn't. Every random fodder on Amazon Lily had it. Didn't Luffy also one shot a giant VA in MF? Those guys all have Haki too.

In retrospect, obviously Luffy beating Crocodile was premature. But Oda has made it clear, that Luffy's physical strength > Crocodile/Enel. As long as that was the case, the PIS was the circumstance (Croc not killing him, Luffy using water), rather than their base stats.

It would be different, if say Luffy beat someone like Jozu or Vergo, who have very high durability. But Croc's strength was his DF versatility, not his defence/durability.

 

[Uncle Van]

Oda's biggest mistake is believing predictability=boring. In an interview he said if he ever finds out about a theory/prediction that is both popular and accurate, he'll change up the story to keep it from getting boring. Yeah hints that Oda himself leaves behind and if you accurately guess what's gonna happen, he'll make it different unless its integral to the story.

Postskip Oda has been far more more reliant on cliffhangers and focusing on minor characters. The bigger plot points are kept more vague than ever before while the minor plot points take center stage for a while. This is apparent with WCI with all the plot changed and in Wano with all the important info being speed through(like Ryuma) or tossed aside to keep the mystery alive(Cursed swords and Toki). There is no problem with revealing Kaido's hybrid form in a flashback(hell he revealed Lucci's hybrid from the get go) but his refusal to do so made Kaido look like an idiot for example.

 

[Kaido D. Stronger]

Oda already retconned Kaido's durability, next will be his AP. He's going to connect multiple stronger attacks than thunder bagua on Luffy and it won't ko Luffy.
The gap between them wasn't that big.
Plus the arc before he showed us Luffy as a monster of durability and endurance fighting 10 hours twice against commanders, having a hole in his stomach and still going on. And he wants me to believe that one hit is enough to ko Luffy.

He wanted to hype Kaido and keep luffy as an underdog. Imo he went too far.

What is 10 hours compared to 3 days against the big mom?
He just dodged an attack from her.
One of them needed help, the other ran away like a mouse in the middle of 1v1, it really is a monster. The sister kidnapper, the rogue who didn't defeat anyone solo 1v1.

Doflamingo 2x1, Cracker 2x1, katakuri kidnapped his sister, kaido 1 hit really is a monster.

He clearly said: I will join you later, what are you implying that you will not go 1v1 with kaido, will you use what kind of cheating now? 50v1?

 

[januarysdaughter]

Oden and Yamato.

Oden was just too unbelievable as a character and building him up to be the ONLY PERSON TO SCAR KAIDO has set up this unrealistic expectation that Zoro is suddenly the only person who could hurt him, and thus set off an explosion of fury that the Scabbards were able to make him bleed.

Yamato is just a waste of time and could have easily been replaced by any other character. Hawkins finally getting a positive hit on his cards, perhaps?

 

[BangOO🍅]

Oden and Yamato.

Oden was just too unbelievable as a character and building him up to be the ONLY PERSON TO SCAR KAIDO has set up this unrealistic expectation that Zoro is suddenly the only person who could hurt him, and thus set off an explosion of fury that the Scabbards were able to make him bleed.

Yamato is just a waste of time and could have easily been replaced by any other character. Hawkins finally getting a positive hit on his cards, perhaps?

Some theories said that hawkins will draw a very good cards that might put momo able to use swords and hurt kaido/orochi. (of course if he aged by shinobu)

 

[januarysdaughter]

Some theories said that hawkins will draw a very good cards that might put momo able to use swords and hurt kaido/orochi. (of course if he aged by shinobu)

But Shinobu's fruit only works on inanimate objects. She can't age Momo, and besides, if Bonney showed up somehow and aged Momo, he would still be mentally 8 years old. He wouldn't suddenly gain 20 years of experience and knowledge.

 

[BangOO🍅]

But Shinobu's fruit only works on inanimate objects. She can't age Momo, and besides, if Bonney showed up somehow and aged Momo, he would still be mentally 8 years old. He wouldn't suddenly gain 20 years of experience and knowledge.

thats why hawkins might take a big role in this war, since he said about his card might be able to put a people surpass their limits.

 

[ShadyOjiro]

thats why hawkins might take a big role in this war, since he said about his card might be able to put a people surpass their limits.

The limit of a 8 year boy mind?

 

[trav]

Luffy vs Pacifista one shot and haki in general.