General & Others Oda's biggest mistake

The Kaido one-shot irritates me much more than I thought it would initially. From a storytelling perspective, it kinda makes sense that Kaido would do this because he's hyped as the "Strongest Creature". From a powerscaling perspective, it kinda doesn't make sense because of everything we saw Luffy go through in the last arc, but I can easily write that off as Kaido being infinitely stronger than Katakuri and Cracker. The problem I have with it is how the one-shot is handled afterwards. After getting knocked out, Luffy learns Ryou because he sees Kaido's scales as the issue, but that wasn't the entire problem. None of his training (at least what we saw of it) had anything to do with improving his durability. He was just fighting fodder (provided by Queen because of logic). Even if Luffy can damage Kaido this time, for all intents and purposes, he should still get one-shot.

The biggest mistake I think this series made was jumping straight to Yonko. It was far too soon for any of the strawhats to challenge Yonko, so Oda wrote himself into a corner when trying to justify their survival. He had to make the antagonists incredibly incompetent. Which is incredibly disappointing, considering that these are supposed to be the strongest pirates of this era. We should have spent some time exploring the New World, maybe run into some supernovas, get more accustomed to the differences between this sea and Paradise.
For a while I was sure Luffy would face another YC type character this arc (when I thought the Ace existed) and that character would bridge the gap between YC and Yonko. Kaido and BM would go on to form the Rocks pirates with old crew members (both their crews would fall this arc).


At this point. Hopefully Kaido wipes the floor with the scabbards and goes down from a full blown teamup
 
The Kaido one-shot irritates me much more than I thought it would initially. From a storytelling perspective, it kinda makes sense that Kaido would do this because he's hyped as the "Strongest Creature". From a powerscaling perspective, it kinda doesn't make sense because of everything we saw Luffy go through in the last arc, but I can easily write that off as Kaido being infinitely stronger than Katakuri and Cracker. The problem I have with it is how the one-shot is handled afterwards. After getting knocked out, Luffy learns Ryou because he sees Kaido's scales as the issue, but that wasn't the entire problem. None of his training (at least what we saw of it) had anything to do with improving his durability. He was just fighting fodder (provided by Queen because of logic). Even if Luffy can damage Kaido this time, for all intents and purposes, he should still get one-shot.

The biggest mistake I think this series made was jumping straight to Yonko. It was far too soon for any of the strawhats to challenge Yonko, so Oda wrote himself into a corner when trying to justify their survival. He had to make the antagonists incredibly incompetent. Which is incredibly disappointing, considering that these are supposed to be the strongest pirates of this era. We should have spent some time exploring the New World, maybe run into some supernovas, get more accustomed to the differences between this sea and Paradise.
For all intents and purposes, Oden got one-shot and he was stronger than Kaido. Magellan one-shot the entire BBPs and they came back to beat the crap out of him.



"One shot" doesn't mean anything without the proper context: Luffy's CoO wasn't working. That allowed for a clean hit, of Kaido's signature move that KOed even Oden. If he remains calm, he won't be one shot.

Even Katakuri could have one shot Luffy if his CoO didn't work



Like I told people, Boundman by itself was already Top Tier in Dressrosa. Luffy was "YC1" simply because of the 30 min time limit. It's time to start accepting reality. There is no asspull here. With unlimited Snakeman/Boundman, Luffy was stronger than all the commanders.
 
Developing a pirate manga, where actually hardly any character faces serious consequences and where themes like alcohol/sex/murder are very rarely adressed.

Especially his horrendous tendency to bring back "dead" characters (Pell, Igaram, Pagaya, Pound, Sabo, Moscato etc.) is a serious negative point.

As his inability to actually use more and more mature writing, once his readers grew up with him (90% of all OP readers are 18+, this has been confirmed via a official poll).

Togashi has shown how you can do this in perfection with HxH (development from Hunter Exam Arc -----> Chimera Ant Arc).
Oda didn't have the balls or skills to do it.

We still have to deal with bs like BM turning into a gag character ("Weeedddiiiiinnng Caaakeeee", amnesia etc.), because he had no other idea as to how his beloved main characters could've avoided serious consequences.
 
Developing a pirate manga, where actually hardly any character faces serious consequences and where themes like alcohol/sex/murder are very rarely adressed.

Especially his horrendous tendency to bring back "dead" characters (Pell, Igaram, Pagaya, Pound, Sabo, Moscato etc.) is a serious negative point.

As his inability to actually use more and more mature writing, once his readers grew up with him (90% of all OP readers are 18+, this has been confirmed via a official poll).

Togashi has shown how you can do this in perfection with HxH (development from Hunter Exam Arc -----> Chimera Ant Arc).
Oda didn't have the balls or skills to do it.

We still have to deal with bs like BM turning into a gag character ("Weeedddiiiiinnng Caaakeeee", amnesia etc.), because he had no other idea as to how his beloved main characters could've avoided serious consequences.
The thing about Oda is he lets characters dish this crap if he knows the other one can take it. He let Luffy use Kong Organ on Kaido without defending because he knows Kaido can take it. He lets Big Mom take all these attacks because he knows she can take it. He let Whitebeard get attacked by 100s of bullets/canons because he can take it.

In a way, a character taking so many hits, is Oda's way of saying how tough they are. Only problem with BM is that it's funny so that detracts from her aura.
 
The Kaido one-shot irritates me much more than I thought it would initially. From a storytelling perspective, it kinda makes sense that Kaido would do this because he's hyped as the "Strongest Creature". From a powerscaling perspective, it kinda doesn't make sense because of everything we saw Luffy go through in the last arc, but I can easily write that off as Kaido being infinitely stronger than Katakuri and Cracker. The problem I have with it is how the one-shot is handled afterwards. After getting knocked out, Luffy learns Ryou because he sees Kaido's scales as the issue, but that wasn't the entire problem. None of his training (at least what we saw of it) had anything to do with improving his durability. He was just fighting fodder (provided by Queen because of logic). Even if Luffy can damage Kaido this time, for all intents and purposes, he should still get one-shot.

The biggest mistake I think this series made was jumping straight to Yonko. It was far too soon for any of the strawhats to challenge Yonko, so Oda wrote himself into a corner when trying to justify their survival. He had to make the antagonists incredibly incompetent. Which is incredibly disappointing, considering that these are supposed to be the strongest pirates of this era. We should have spent some time exploring the New World, maybe run into some supernovas, get more accustomed to the differences between this sea and Paradise.
Oh, just don't think about OP's powersystem. It's easily one of the worst parts of the manga. I have given up on that a long while ago, since Oda himself seemingly doesn't care about it either.

Stans will always come up with stuff like "in a battle between DFs anyone can win", but some things are just really bullshit writing.

Just one example: Crocodile and Moria not knowing/using haki as Shichibukai during the first half of the series is insanely stupid in hindsight. Every scrub can use it after the timeskip. This just aged really badly and doesn't make any sense today.

The thing about Oda is he lets characters dish this crap if he knows the other one can take it.
And that's just not good writing, full stop. Really nothing to argue here.
 
Oh, just don't think about OP's powersystem. It's easily one of the worst parts of the manga. I have given up on that a long while ago, since Oda himself seemingly doesn't care about it either.

Stans will always come up with stuff like "in a battle between DFs anyone can win", but some things are just really bullshit writing.

Just one example: Crocodile and Moria not knowing/using haki as Shichibukai during the first half of the series is insanely stupid in hindsight. Every scrub can use it after the timeskip. This just aged really badly and doesn't make any sense today.


And that's just not good writing, full stop. Really nothing to argue here.
But we don't know for a fact that Croc/Moriah didn't have at least some basic Haki... Haki is willpower, and after decades of not fighting, their Haki should have gotten substantially weaker. Luffy could beat Haki users.

For example, Boa sisters had good grasp of Haki, but that didn't stop Luffy from beating them both with relative ease.
 
But we don't know for a fact that Croc/Moriah didn't have at least some basic Haki... Haki is willpower, and after decades of not fighting, their Haki should have gotten substantially weaker. Luffy could beat Haki users.

For example, Boa sisters had good grasp of Haki, but that didn't stop Luffy from beating them both with relative ease.
They didn't have it, full stop.

Luffy only "beat" the sisters, because he was way faster with G2 and managed to tie their tails. He couldn't damage them at all because of them using CoA.

He didn't even have G2 vs Crocodile and used Croc like a punching bag in their final encounter.

It's massive bs in hindsight. No need to sugarcoat it or trying to find weak excuses.
 
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Been said by some people but Oden.
Oda forced Oden way too hard to be lovable character that it's disgusting to the point people hate Oden instead. Corazon from Law flashback is much better and lovable character. And Yamato having identity crisis made it even worse
Tbh?

If anything I hate Scabbards love for him and fucking Yamato cosplaying him.
 
They didn't have it, full stop.

Luffy only "beat" the sisters, because he was way faster with G2 and managed to tie their tails. He couldn't damage them at all because of them using CoA.

He didn't even have G2 vs Crocodile and used Croc like a punching bag in their final encounter.

It's massive bs in hindsight. No need to sugarcoat it or trying to find weak excuses.
Ugh, no. Luffy overpowered Marigold's Haki.



You can overcome Armament with Power, just like you can overcome Observation with Speed. Luffy overcame Katakuri's stronger Armament with Boundman's power, and Katakuri's stronger Observation with Snakeman's speed.

Croc and Moriah having basic Haki, would not change the result of the battle in any meaningful way.
 
Ugh, no. Luffy overpowered Marigold's Haki.



You can overcome Armament with Power, just like you can overcome Observation with Speed. Luffy overcame Katakuri's stronger Armament with Boundman's power, and Katakuri's stronger Observation with Snakeman's speed.

Croc and Moriah having basic Haki, would not change the result of the battle in any meaningful way.
Wtf, you realize that you actually proved my point?

Luffy's G2 jet bazooka hardly even damages Marigold. She's perfectly fine the very next panel.

That's one of his very strongest G2 attacks btw, multiple times stronger than anything he can do in his baseform and it still did almost zero damage to sb using CoA.

He beat Crocodile in base form,which couldn't even threaten Blueno.

Really, stop sucking Oda's cock and accept reality ffs.
 
The Overwhelming gap between Top Tiers and High Tiers never made sense to me, it's just not realistic that for such a gap to exist without there being guys filling it out.

People assumed a Yonko FM and some Vice Admirals filled that gap but it turned out that a top tier can one shot a Yonko FM

So far the only characters who fill in that gap are the revolutionary commanders especially Sabo, Current Luffy and maybe Shank's top guys

The existence of this gap is just too awkward
 
Not sure if I’d say “mistake,” but it did seem rather wishy-washy for Oda to showcase how bad war is and even have Luffy say that “people die” to Vivi, yet closely affiliated characters like Pell survive despite Alabasta’s war and Pagaya survives despite Skypiea’s war. He seemed to “relegate” the deaths of humanoid characters we got to know to flashbacks until Marineford, but even then, with Ace and Whitebeard’s deaths being so close to the timeskip, they’ve pretty much ended up as flashback deaths anyway. Oda seems more willing to bring more meaningful deaths to the present like Pedro and Yasuie’s deaths these days though.
 
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Putting low effort into power scaling.

I don't say he should put 100% of his time for power scaling no but he definitely lacks the consistency of it a lot.

Nen > Haki + Devil Fruits always.
It's unfair to compare Oda with Togashi though.

Oda is a very hard worker, who has created a nice shonen manga and really great world.

As a storywriter he is several steps below Togashi though (as is almost every mangaka).

Not really a knock on Oda, it's just the cold hard truth.
 
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