Chapter Discussion Official English Translation Of "Controversial" Part Of This Chapter

[Un-amed]

Bruh the issue here isn't wether Queen is interested on Sanji or not
and not only "Sanji fans" are concerned here about this

It's the damn "2nd and 3rd" among the crew thing that should end the constant ridicules quarrels between the Z and S fans

Yet the VIZ makes it more confusing when the original text itself was direct and easy to interpret it as Zoro and Sanji being the top two in crew

At least other official translations in other languages translated it like that so

the official doesn’t do mistakes, what is in the official is what queen and oda meant

and if you’re still on the fence just wait until queen meets luffy’s group

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C´mon guys... Is not that hard...

The first Poster is Luffy, the Second is Sanji and then after both, he talk's about Zoro.
After that he says " Still, i didn't imagine...that Judge's son was part of his crew."
BEcause he has already read his bounty.
SO He's ofc saying Sanji is the 2nd strongest and Zoro the 3rd :)

 

[RayanOO]

10 pages of discussing basic and straight forward sentence that a 4 year old could understand, you can't make this shit up

even ignoring Queen wording , he was holding Sanji and Zolo bounties next to each other, the two known to be the strongest after Luffy, even a dumbass would realise he's talking about the two of them, you don't even need a translation

 

[nik87]

Yeah, in this situation you're wrong XDXD
Drake Isn't Part of the Crew XDXD

I am not and I wont become wrong.
Drake is an enemy and Queen lists him as one of the strongest people who oppose Beast Pirates.
The SH crew is only mentioned when a Vinsmoke is mentioned, he didnt think that a Vinsmoke was in SH crew.
Drake is fighting alongside Luffy as he asked to just a few chapters ago.
You may be spanish but you are wrong regardless.

 

[Un-amed]

I am not and I wont become wrong.
Drake is an enemy and Queen lists him as one of the strongest people who oppose Beast Pirates.
The SH crew is only mentioned when a Vinsmoke is mentioned, he didnt think that a Vinsmoke was in SH crew.
Drake is fighting alongside Luffy as he asked to just a few chapters ago.
You may be spanish but you are wrong regardless.

OK, not my problem if you don't want to accept something different XD

 

[nik87]

OK, not my problem if you don't want to accept something different XD

There is nothing different, the spanish translation says the same, I can read it.

 

[Akuma_Law]

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[duckman]

So now we are gonna attack Stephen Paul ? Really?

I’m sorry but you don’t deserve shit. You are so insecure that you want to shit on someone doing his job for what? More than 10 years now? That have prove how reliable he is over the years.

Shitting on the databook was not enough, shitting on the magazine was not enough, now you have to sh on the One Piece translators reference for years. For what? Yo validate you freaking preconceived ideas.

And do not talk to me about the Spanish translation because we all know that when it will say something you don’t like you will shit on him too.

I repeat, you do not deserve shit. One Piece, Oda and the people working around it are too good for you. You disgust me

Personally all three read the same to me, and its not like we don't know the context. There's 0 reason to assume Drake is being grouped in with Zoro as opposed to Queen looking for Zoro and then seeing Drake, or Queen just making a comment on Drake while he's surveying the battlefield and seeing him. His main focus is Zoro and Sanji.

 

[Xione]

No I see what you tried to do there. Who's Who said he couldn't handle Queen on his own, and he said this to convince X Drake to come with him, so the beast pirates could interrogate X Drake and figure out Drakes's true motives. This interaction has nothing to do with strength. I only brought it up to argue Queen doesn't have respect for X Drake or view him highly compared to Law and Kidd.

I didn't do anything except for state the events that happened lol. You on the other hand are trying to downplay the events by making it seem like it had nothing do with Drake's prowess, by using the "convince Drake to come with him... so the beast pirates could interrogate and figure out Drake's true motives".

- Drake didn't need any convincing. Who's Who asked him to come with him, Drake asked where to, Who's Who said to Queen.. and that was that. No convincing happened. Hell Queen himself could've gave him the order and Drake still would've went.

- Who's who specifically said it's something that's a bit too much for him to personally handle. You say Who's Who said this to convince Drake, but that theory only works if Drake had been resistant to going with him or had made a question or something related to it. Who's Who simply comes in asking Drake to come with him because it's something a bit too much for him alone.

Initially one would think that Who's Who here is referring to Queen being somebody he can't handle on his own, thus needing Drake to join him. But the twist is he's referring to Drake being somebody who's a bit too much for him to handle on his own, thus needing him to take to Queen. Who's Who would the interrogation himself if he could handle Drake, as that'd give him brownie points with Kaido.



As for Queen not respecting his strength. The dude is getting pissed off at Drake now fighting against them lol.

Spoiler

For fuck's sake the man's first panel in the entire manga was stopping attacks from two Worst Generation members.

 

[duckman]

Oda himself makes mistakes ...does that make the manga any less official?
Does that mean every panel you don't agree was drawn with a mistake?

This ridiculous notion of he has made a mistake in the past so everything you don't agree with is a mistake is as dumb as they come.
Have you actually taken a look of how proportional the mistake is to the entirety?

Sorry but I have to say this times 10000.
I've seen so many people point to Vivre Card as "they made a mistake[that was corrected] so they're wrong forever and ever" and it just irks me. No one would be innocent with such a worthless standard

Post automatically merged: Nov 15, 2020

Stop right there.

My post is talking to the people who are constantly questionning any information that goes against their pre-conceive idea. Be it the data books, the Magazine, the official site, the editors, Oda himself and now Stephen Paul.

If you are not this kind of people, my post is not address to you.

That's weird. I agree with you. On that note, didn't you use to post over at AP Forums?

Post automatically merged: Nov 15, 2020

Absolutely bullshit.
She literally said "To master Kaido" in viz.

Don't try to defend it

Um...didn;t Luffy literally challenge Kaido personally in front of everyone, to which Kaido responded "I accept your challenge." She's mad because A + B.

Or alternatively, she knew of Luffy but not his face.

 

[Luffy bin Dragon]

Sanji and Zoro are the Top 2 guys on the crew not including Luffy and that’s never going to change but it is funny to see Sanji fans going from Sanji is stronger than Zoro to Sanji is comparable to Zoro and is in the top 3.

 

[pg13]

I didn't do anything except for state the events that happened lol. You on the other hand are trying to downplay the events by making it seem like it had nothing do with Drake's prowess, by using the "convince Drake to come with him... so the beast pirates could interrogate and figure out Drake's true motives".

- Drake didn't need any convincing. Who's Who asked him to come with him, Drake asked where to, Who's Who said to Queen.. and that was that. No convincing happened. Hell Queen himself could've gave him the order and Drake still would've went.

- Who's who specifically said it's something that's a bit too much for him to personally handle. You say Who's Who said this to convince Drake, but that theory only works if Drake had been resistant to going with him or had made a question or something related to it. Who's Who simply comes in asking Drake to come with him because it's something a bit too much for him alone.

Initially one would think that Who's Who here is referring to Queen being somebody he can't handle on his own, thus needing Drake to join him. But the twist is he's referring to Drake being somebody who's a bit too much for him to handle on his own, thus needing him to take to Queen. Who's Who would the interrogation himself if he could handle Drake, as that'd give him brownie points with Kaido.



As for Queen not respecting his strength. The dude is getting pissed off at Drake now fighting against them lol.

Spoiler

For fuck's sake the man's first panel in the entire manga was stopping attacks from two Worst Generation members.

And now he's one of the two getting blocked, how much stock should we put into things like this?

 

[Akuma_Law]

I stopped to search on twitter what the Japanese commented on this subject.

They all saw that Sanji and Zoro were included in the words of 2nd and 3rd strongest.

Now, hundreds of people and translators who are fluent in that language are wrong, Stephen is the only golden rosemary that is right. All praise God Stephen

Lol this is hilarious

 

[Garp the Fist]

Making a mountain out of a molehill here.

Far as I can tell, the official translation has Queen talking about how it's good practice in a battle like this to take out the strongest subordinates as fast as he can.

Note how it's all plural, not singular. He doesn't say "the number two and three", he says "the number twos and threes." He is looking through multiple posters- we can see he's holding at least four- and explicitly mentions three people. This is not Queen saying "that guy is the second strongest, that guy is the third."

Tieing together both dialogue and art then suggests he's grouping Zoro, Sanji and Drake all together as the vague group of people who are not the leaders, but the step below the leaders. Once again for emphasis- HE DOES NOT ACTUALLY ASSIGN ANYONE AS THE SECOND OR THIRD STRONGEST. It's more of a loose designation- he's basically doing the equivalent of saying "these guys are the high tiers/Yonko Commanders of the alliance and we should take them out as quickly as possible." That's not just because of strength, but because of the leadership these guys provide. It's quite like Dressrosa's star system in a sense.

He mentions Zoro and Drake because he's watching them. He mentions Sanji because he's obviously going to be fighting him. There are others in his bounty list.

This does not mean that Queen thinks that Zoro, Sanji and Drake are > Marco, Kid and Law or whatever missing character you please. They might also be in Queen's bounty list, we don't know, we can't see them. He might consider them to be number ones- leaders- not number twos and threes. They also aren't mentioned cause they simplu aren't relevant for the purpose of the scene. Luffy is certainly what he'd be thinking is a "number one", but it's not stated whether he would think him the sole leader of the alliance or part of a group of leaders.

And he wouldn't consider Drake a leader because he's aware that he's a mole that is reporting back to someone. That's not really a role that a leader takes. Generally speaking, it's the person who is receiving the report that is a leader, not the one making it. Leaders don't go undercover and report back to their subordinates, it's the other way around.

 

[Lifeismeh]

Sanji and Zoro are the Top 2 guys on the crew not including Luffy and that’s never going to change but it is funny to see Sanji fans going from Sanji is stronger than Zoro to Sanji is comparable to Zoro and is in the top 3.

I mean the discussion ( Wich shouldn't even be had) is Queen talking about Sanji and Zoro or Zoro and Drake( Wich is not even an option)

and since he's talking about Sanji and Zoro he refer to Sanji as the second strongest because he ha a higher bounty, because Queen can only judge based on it

Hes absolutly saying Sanji is the second strongest here

 

[Rivaille]

@duckman Yes i post on AP but I’m not as active as I am here.

 

[mly90]

I mean the discussion ( Wich shouldn't even be had) is Queen talking about Sanji and Zoro or Zoro and Drake( Wich is not even an option)

and since he's talking about Sanji and Zoro he refer to Sanji as the second strongest because he ha a higher bounty, because Queen can only judge based on it

Hes absolutly saying Sanji is the second strongest here

What happened you are finally using Zoro's real name instead of calling him zolo must be a spelling error

 

[Marimo_420]

Candies and getting bodied. Name a better duo.

Next time please do tag me. I want to read the salt live as it commences.

 

[sanjikun]

I don't understand these threads. We have people that speak Japanese here. Ask them to translate it.

You're not reading a poneglyph. They're just a bunch of fucking words, you have a dictionary.

 

[mly90]

I don't understand these threads. We have people that speak Japanese here. Ask them to translate it.

You're not reading a poneglyph. They're just a bunch of fucking words, you have a dictionary.

They have been translated by a very reliable and experienced translator already let's go with that

 

[sanjikun]

They have been translated by a very reliable and experienced translator already let's go with that

I don't give af how reliable or experienced he is. It's literally like 5 words. There is no hidden meaning. Anyone who knows basic Japanese can translate.

Stop acting like Stephen is deciphering the poneglyphs. This is basic Japanese for 11 year olds.