Chapter Discussion Official English Translation Of "Controversial" Part Of This Chapter

Here you go

しかし (shikashi) = However
一味 に (ichimi ni) = in the crew
ジャッジ の 息子 が (Jajji no musuko ga) = Judge's son
いる (iru) = is
とは (towa / Short for とは思わなかった (to wa omowanakatta) = did not think that

Queen literally just states "However, I did not think Judge's son will be in the crew".

The "too" Stephen is using does not mean in addition to 2nd/3rd. He is simply using it for emphasis "ga", because English does not use subject particles.

So no VIZ is not wrong. You're just willfully misinterpreting it. Nothing states Sanji is not 2nd/3rd.
All the translators on this forum gave us a translation similar to yours (puck, EtenBoby, Ivaannom), several sites that publish one piece in several countries also translated this way, including a closed translator with viz in Spanish.
And when you search on twitter about the chapter's discussions in Japanese, they all include Sanji in Queen's speech, only the fanboys here on the forum are saying the opposite because of Stephen's translation.
 
How is Queen talking about 2nd and 3rd in the group and count Drake and Zoro only? What about Kidd and Law? Queen knows that Law is there (Drake the spy) and he also saw Kidd (at the begining of the raid). By the logic of Zoro fanboys, the strongest in the alliance are Luffy,Zoro and Drake? Wut? In the official English Queen is talking about TWOS AND THREES in PLURAL, which means also the crew members of the Kidd pirates and the Heart Pirates.
 
Omg this is so stupid, queen was clearly not talking about drake , He would only mention drake and ranking if he was talking about the whole alliance, and we know for sure drake is not the 2nd or 3rd strongest from the alliance, We know at least marco luffy law kid most of the scabbards are stronger (I would put zoro sanji and jimbi above him but that’s not the subject here) , so at best AT ABSOLUTE BEST drake maybe number 10 , so unless queen is a complete retard he was not talking about drake , clearly he was talking about zoro and sanji being second and third from the strawhats pirates , he was holding their posters while talking for the love god , I know sanji has so many haters but this ridiculous
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
I don't think we can even consider this.
That's what Queen said, whether we like it or not.
It is wrong no matter how we slice it but it is what it is.

Strength-wise - Sanji is not top 3 in either crew or alliance.
Queen also has no way of knowing the strength of someone he never saw.
Bounty-wise - Zoro is not top 3 in either crew or alliance.

All that Queen has is what's in front of his eyes.
Display of strength from Drake and Zoro.
And Vinsmoke name which he knows for X reason.
 

Sawyer adding more fuel to the fire:luffylaugh:
This guy is completely out of touch.... i really hate when people use the Japanese words to sound cool and forget the meaning of the words. "OmaGad YoNKOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU stronger than ADMIRALS ConFirDmed". We all expect the last fight to be against the WG, the KNOWN best fighters of the WG are the Admirals. Making the Admirals weaker or stronger than the Emperors make 0 sense story wise, Admirals = Emperors... only Akainu is JUST A LITTLE BIT stronger than everyone else, if Emperors and Admirals are 100, Akainu as a fleet Admiral is 101. Oda said that if Akainu was the main character he would find One Piece in 1 year, the YONKOUOUOUUUOU still haven't found it. People love to bring out what other character said, well DOFFY SAID WHO RULES THE SEAS.
Akainu stopped WB's weapon by his bare foot, went SOLO VS Blackbeard and his whole crew. "Omagad, YOUNOUOUOUOU stronger than Admirals cOnFiRdMed. Marco just clashed with Admirals and Big mom, this doesn't mean that he can defeat them. you may punch a boxer but surely you can't defeat him. Maybe the five elders are the strongest or maybe Im, but as of now this is how it is.
 
Feels like Sanji fans have been eating alot of them words throughout the arc
- But but Enma is just a training wheel, he's gonna use it to beat King and nothing more
- But but Kaidou is reserved for Luffy only and no SHs are allowed to go near him
- Ok ok maybe Zoro is gonna fight Kaidou but he's not gonna do much and will get swatted right away
- Ehm maybe Zoro is gonna open Kaidou's scar but nothing more, he's not killing Kaidou.
- Zoro is gonna fight Queen hahaaha lmao noob
- Ehm Queen is an interesting character and Sanji vs Queen is gonna be so much more fun and King is a edgy emo
- Sanji is the 2nd strongest
:risitavirus:
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
If he was wasn't talking about Sanji when mentioning "second and third" then the only other explanation would be that he was reffering to Jimbe as second and Zoro as third strongest...
The reason he mentions Sanji is the name Vinsmoke, he isnt scaling him based on strength because he never saw his strength,,,
Senpai, I thought only candies cant read, dont disappoint me as well. :sanmoji:
 
Stephen has already gone into depth as to why he translates things certain ways, depending on the context of what is happening in the chapter.

Edit: Luffy says it, not Sanji* deleting this second point cause I'm not getting into the controversy
and some people can disagree to their context me included. Thus why anothet translation can never be a bad thing.

language isnt black or white
 
and some people can disagree to their context me included. Thus why anothet translation can never be a bad thing.

language isnt black or white
Not even remotely what I said, but if you are like OP and are calling the translations shit when you have zero experience or basis for the statement, then that's my point. You can choose to believe what you want until the manga makes it clear.
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
No language barrier will change the facts. "It is best to get rid of their nr2 and nr3 early on". Who is Queen trying to get rid of?
Zoro and Drake while Sanji is in the safe vicinity of his captain and former Warlord and nowhere close to the deadly virus to which Drake and Zoro are exposed to. Headcanons are nice and good but they have an expiration date, usually instant like in this case.
 
Zoro will be 2nd strongest and Sanji will be 3rd strongest in EoS or later in the story, thats how the narrative works.
now the problem is, Queen decided 2nd strongest and 3rd strongest via bounty.
How? its clearly he bring all of the strawhats bounty poster with him.
Thats mean Queen might decided Usopp as 4th strongest.
Usopp>>> the shit carpenter who got cucked by jinbei
@Jew D. Boy :sadgrin:
 
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