How will the Supernovas fare against Hybrid Kaido?


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Zoro's attack made Kaido bleed, buried or not, which is not even the accurate choice of word here, does not matter, not a damage output per se and not even a good indicator of superior AP. The only clear cut indicator of superior AP occurred within the portraying of Hiryuu Kaen.

You say Hiryuu Kaen constituting the strongest attack is fanfic so there's no help in this conversation..... not even Big Mom's portrayal and the likely reason why Kaido is going Hybrid made you change your mind....
Everybody has made Kaido bleed. Killer has made Kaido bleed. The Scabbards made Kaido bleed. That’s not a high bar. Only Luffy has gotten a significant reaction and left a significant impression. To say that “the only clear cut indicator of superior AP occurred within the portraying of Hiryuu Kaen“ is an absolute garbage fanboy lie, given what happened the first time Luffy hit Kaido and what happened this chapter, as well as given that Kaido and Big Mom have reacted multiple times to Enma, and not Zoro.

Big Mom’s portrayal and Kaido going hybrid we’re not related to Zoro, have you read any of the spoilers? They were laughing. Kaido said that it was getting fun. They’re not pressed at the moment. They haven’t been by anyone other than Luffy. Stop lying.
 

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All of those aren't really the meanings of the phrasal verb, those are the actions taken by its receiver depending on the situation after being warned by said phrasal verbs and/or the additional intention given to the warning per se (more of a pragmatic language issue, not definitions). In this particular context, unless I'm wrong, the Japanese text indeed has Linlin telling Kaido to dodge, yet it was translated with the way more generic "look out". Sure, you may argue that in this context we can interpret that she wanted him to dodge, and while I'd agree, let's not forget this is a story about superhumans with a wide range of resources to manage an attack and nothing really supports in the English translation alone (for a reader that isn't aware of what the Japanese says, unlike us) that Linlin is telling Kaido to dodge instead of taking care of himself (whether by dodging, protecting with haki, countering the attack Kaku did in Enies Lobby or whatever you may come up with). This is also where my complain on people's headcanon comes to play, because they are freely assuming this is a "train/car/etc. hit" situation instead of any other threatening Kaido that doesn't necessarily require dodging.

While my original posts discussed the wrong idea that "look out" and "dodge" are synonyms (no, they aren't, dodging is one possible answer to "look out" and/or pragmatic layer to its definition), there's also the problem that an English-only reader can legit understand that Big Mom is telling Kaido to take some kind of action to protect himself from the attack because 1) they lack the extra information from the original text, as we do, using "dodge" or something very similar; and 2) Kaido is the strongest creature in the world and he's expected to have other resources, apart from dodging, to manage the threat (and the reader has no way to infere Linlin wants him to dodge and dodge alone; and context isn't a reliable clue because it is biased by our additional knowledge and/or headcanons on the outcome if Zoro had landed).

I hope I explained myself properly.
I understand where you're getting at but I think you're digging too deep and over-complicating this unnecessarily.


WTF, so Kaido generally doesn't know what Advanced CoA is?
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I honestly wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't
 
Zoro : Wait! Wait ! Don't eat ...
Zoro : My captain!!
Zoro : Santoryu!

Kaido : hm ??
Kaido : This form of haki!!
Zoro : Kujou Ô Tatsumaki!!
Kaido : Uoooo!

Killer : (sorry the picture is cut)

Big Mom : That kid .. He managed to cut Kaido

Kaido : Oh .. i see it's working! That's Oden katana ?
Kaido : To think you challenged me with Tatsumaki, Uerororo"
I would like @EtenBoby or @Shift 's opinion on this line before commenting.
 

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Yes, but Haki cannot be stored for years. Or are you saying that Shanks can give Haki the swords of weak people and they can kill Logia all their lives? Haki cannot be stored so much. And it is not infinite. 4 gear is an example of this. It is the power of Enma that the creator has somehow invested. And Kaido himself felt it from Oden. And now from Zoro.
Well the thing is Enma doesn't work like other blades. The fact it absorbs' the wielder's haki is something specific to the blade. It would then depend on the direction Oda would like to take. I'm not sure myself which direction he will end up taking in the end, but my point is that while taking into consideration Enma's specific property that Oda described in his manga(absorbing the wielders' haki), and the process of turning a blade into a black blade requiring a continuous battle process, at least with the way Oda described it through Ryuma, the possibility that Oda could use it in the process of turning Enma to a black blade is there
 
you shouldn't say that to me, but to Oda. I never said the others don't know adv.coa. You said admirals or whatever don't know about adv.coa. But going by the story that's true at least they never hurt him badly, no ? Kaido got captured 48 times and defeated 7 times but still only one wound is visible and it's Oden's scars. 48 times he was on navy's/yonkou control and in his intro, Oda said no weapon hurt him ... So yes no one used adv.coa on Kaido but it doesn't mean they don't know about adv.coa but only kaido doesn't know about "ryou" or the form/identity of the haki Zoro used, for him it's just like Oden's haki.
You don't have to convince me man, I already conceded. Kaido never faced anyone who can use adv. Haki before in his life bare for little Oden, so of course he wouldn't know about it.

It's so logical to me. :kayneshrug:

We also never seen anyone use adv. Haki before Wano. Of course Oda was at fault here. It's not like Sentomaru, the Admirals and Raileigh were ever shown to be able to use adv. Haki before.

Kaido has such a good luck man. He was so lucky nobody use adv. Haki against him in his entire life, unless your name is Oden that is. Of course he'd confuse Adv. Haki and Oden's Haki the poor soul.
 
Show mere where did you see anyone state that B
Shishui can absord and forced ryuo out?
Where shishui is stated to have Ryuma's aura/présence in it?
Where Shishui is hyped like Enma?

Shishui is just a black blade.
Show me then where it says Enma is keeping Haki? The manga only says that Enma absorbs Haki, and then of course she releases her. Zoro's words in Chapter 1001 prove it. And in the chapter where Zoro got Enma we see this. Stop making fantasies. Enma is not your Haki storage facility. Stupid Zoro haters. As if Kaido didn't think the Scabbards had Oden's Haki
 
Somehow it's unrealistic for Zoro to make a black blade in one battle just because Oden wasn't able to do it for years. But at the same time it's realistic for Luffy to obtain FS in a single battle when Katakuri need a life time of training to obtain it. Yeah, not bias at all....
None of those two are good. Both of them suck because Luffy and Zoro went from Struggling against East Blue Fodder to Becoming god tiers in Fucking three years making everyone look like shit
 
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Kaido knows what Ryou is since he literally has a club that he needs to imbue with haki. Oden's Ryou however is special.

For the scarbbards, they probably learnt the Oden ryou thing by being with him. Whilst Zoro never met Oden, so it makes no sense for him to use the same ryou as Oden. Thus it means nothing like Zoro's haki being the same as Oden's haki. This **** Zoro is straight up using the Oden's haki within his sword.

Enma's power is Oden's stored Ryou within the blade.
These guys will tell you whatever

2 chapters in a row...kaido wonders about enma and Oden not Zoro.
Them and translators " we think kaido means Zoro has same level of haki as Oden "
 
These guys will tell you whatever

2 chapters in a row...kaido wonders about enma and Oden not Zoro.
Them and translators " we think kaido means Zoro has same level of haki as Oden "
Im asking u again does the scabbards got oden s haki to? did oden gave them haki before he died?
Kaido said they have oden s ryou
Ofc u won t answer this question because u have no answer :rolaugh:
 
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