Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1003 Spoilers Discussion

[Finalbeta]

Everybody has made Kaido bleed. Killer has made Kaido bleed. The Scabbards made Kaido bleed. That’s not a high bar. Only Luffy has gotten a significant reaction and left a significant impression. To say that “the only clear cut indicator of superior AP occurred within the portraying of Hiryuu Kaen“ is an absolute garbage fanboy lie, given what happened the first time Luffy hit Kaido and what happened this chapter, as well as given that Kaido and Big Mom have reacted multiple times to Enma, and not Zoro.

Big Mom’s portrayal and Kaido going hybrid we’re not related to Zoro, have you read any of the spoilers? They were laughing. Kaido said that it was getting fun. They’re not pressed at the moment. They haven’t been by anyone other than Luffy. Stop lying.

You will never understand.

 

[Fujishiro]

I had to read the spoilers to see if I was missing something from this comment, but as usual is just Yonko fans being delusional lol. Kaido can be killed by Rear Admirals.

I think Kaido may be strong enough to warrant some VAs like Maynard and Doberman at the very least no?

 

[Batik4ever]

Well the thing is Enma doesn't work like other blades. The fact it absorbs' the wielder's haki is something specific to the blade. It would then depend on the direction Oda would like to take. I'm not sure myself which direction he will end up taking in the end, but my point is that while taking into consideration Enma's specific property that Oda described in his manga(absorbing the wielders' haki), and the process of turning a blade into a black blade requiring a continuous battle process, at least with the way Oda described it through Ryuma, the possibility that Oda could use it in the process of turning Enma to a black blade is there

Are u stupid? If it is possible to store Haki, why then does Luffy not make a large supply of Haki in advance to be in 4 gear for a very long time? How do you live with such brains? Where is your logic? When Kaido thought the Scabbards had Odens Haki, why did everyone think he was just referring to Haki's level and type of possession?

 

[Fujishiro]

You will never understand.

But of course you do right?

 

[Hedfi]

Which is funny because we KNOW Kaido leaves from time to time, since the Ace/Yamato flashback said he was traveling.

Impossible! How dare you say that! Kaido was a neet! He would never leave his room.

Kaido is Oda's way to represent a marginalised and mistreated segment of society. Don't just assume that he's a normie even if it's shown otherwise in the manga! That's so insensitive of you.

 

[Blother Fertitta]

Releasing someone's Ryou =\= absorbing Ryou.

I understand, he phrased it incorrectly. But let's not act like Enma does nothing for Zoro.
In the same vein, all other swords have special properties as well (just not as wanked by Oda).

 

[Xlaw]

For Kaido who doesn't know anything about Ryou, he refers Ryou to Oden's haki. That's why when Scabbard and Zoro used on him, he calls/sees that at Oden's haki.

This statement is in chapter or its your own thoughts ?
Otherwise it make no sense for some one who spent 20 years in wano , never heard about Ryou

 

[Jo_Ndule]

somehow the "mightiest" pirate kaido doesnt have it
what does that tell you.

Only a few among the mightiest can attain it
Kaido never bothered awakening FS or AdcOa

Rayleigh wouldn't hype FS if Ryuo/adcoa was actually better feat to achieve lol
He didnt even bother training Luffy's COa as much as he taught him about CoO

 

[Zowo]

Is a sword with a special property. Shusui also had unparalleled hardness which is a special property

shusui also had the ability to absorb slashes

 

[Chrono]

These guys will tell you whatever

2 chapters in a row...kaido wonders about enma and Oden not Zoro.
Them and translators " we think kaido means Zoro has same level of haki as Oden "

Exactly. If it was about lvl then Kaido wouldve never noticed Enma. He would have just thought he was like the scarbbards. But nope he sensed Oden's exact Ryou and noticed that was his blade.

 

[Fujishiro]

Yeah barely Kinemon level when last chap he had both Kaido and Bm scared lol

To be fair, Kaido was not scared and I would say that BM was more worried than scared.(she has a similar face this chapter when watching Luffy pummel Kaido)

But I don’t know why they saying Zoro is kin lvl. That’s some next lvl salt from judges son fans.

 

[Lukegranders]

Exactly. If it was about lvl then Kaido wouldve never noticed Enma. He would have just thought he was like the scarbbards. But nope he sensed Oden's exact Ryou and noticed that was his blade.

It’s zoro fans damage control.

 

[Geo]

I understand, he phrased it incorrectly. But let's not act like Enma does nothing for Zoro.
In the same vein, all other swords have special properties as well (just not as wanked by Oda).

Who said it does nothing for Zoro?

Yes just like how Zoro lost a property by losing Shusui, he gained a property by gaining Enma.

 

[Blother Fertitta]

Is a sword with a special property. Shusui also had unparalleled hardness which is a special property

This isn't a special property... It's a Black Blade. Zoro only noted it's heaviness.
But it's not like Black Blades can cut through logia's bc its perma-haki'd up.

If I'm wrong about any canon material, please feel free to correct me. I'd want to know more.

 

[Zowo]

Are u stupid? If it is possible to store Haki, why then does Luffy not make a large supply of Haki in advance to be in 4 gear for a very long time? How do you live with such brains? Where is your logic? When Kaido thought the Scabbards had Odens Haki, why did everyone think they were just referring to Haki's level and type of possession?

Facts man so simple :cheers:

 

[Paperchampion23]

Enma literally siphoned Zoro's haki to use it when he first held it. Why is this even a debate? It's Zoro applying his haki to a sword that used Odens haki for years, not that Odens haki is residual in the sword. Its not Oden's haki, its Oden's essence/aura/will/whatever in the sword.

Its literally how the Scabbards cut Kaido. Its not Oden's literal "haki", its his will flowing through them with THEIR haki. Thats why all of them could just straight up cut Kaido with non-Enma/Ame swords.

Its Zoro's haki/Oden's will in the blade, they both work in tandem. Its simultaneously a powerup and Zoro's own skill to use the powerup. Literally no debate

 

[Vanlax]

Regardless of your position on this matter(whether Oden has his haki in the sword or not), things that bother me about this are the fact that

- Oden's name is always mentioned whenever Zoro does something with that blade
- Oda already stated before that even Ryuma only managed to turn Shusui black due to a continuous history of battle

The latter suggested that the process of turning a blade into a black blade required time, and thus not something someone could do in a single fight, with Zoro not having Enma for long

This is why i don't find it unrealistic that Oda could use Oden's fighting experience with Enma to make things easier for Zoro to turn the blade black

It's not to diminish Zoro's accomplishment or anything since he won't be able to do that in the first place if he doesn't manage to have / reach a sufficient haki level to continue the process of turning Enma black, so Zoro ultimately doing that would be an indirect mean to show Zoro reached that level

However to make things consistent with Ryuma's history with Shusui, it could be Oda's way to connect the dots with Zoro's way to end up turning Enma black after Oden's history of battle with Enma

This will most likely be the case if Enma turns black first than the rest of Zoro's sword and if Gryphon, Shanks's sword, was not the sword of Roger and only have similar design with it.

 

[Jo_Ndule]

Exactly. If it was about lvl then Kaido wouldve never noticed Enma. He would have just thought he was like the scarbbards. But nope he sensed Oden's exact Ryou and noticed that was his blade.

If it was just about haki like wirh retainers

Why didn't Kaido feel Oden presence in their blades ? Why didn't he try to make sure if they have his blade?

That's because he only wondered/saw Retainers using the same haki

While Enma emits Oden's aurs/presence/haki , this is why Kaido can sense and tell that enma belongs to Oden.

Enma stored Oden's haki in it.
That's the only explanation! Or else Kaido wouldn't feel Oden's presence
Same way he didnt feel it from retainers coz their blades isn't like enma to store/absorb haki

 

[Blother Fertitta]

Who said it does nothing for Zoro?

Yes just like how Zoro lost a property by losing Shusui, he gained a property by gaining Enma.

Yes, I agree with that. It was an equivalent exchange until Zoro masters the flow of Ryuo through Enma AND makes it a black blade.
This is the perfect power up (I use this term loosely) for Zoro.

 

[Chrono]

Are u stupid? If it is possible to store Haki, why then does Luffy not make a large supply of Haki in advance to be in 4 gear for a very long time? How do you live with such brains? Where is your logic? When Kaido thought the Scabbards had Odens Haki, why did everyone think they were just referring to Haki's level and type of possession?

Because Luffy isnt a swordsman dumbass