Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1015 Spoilers Discussion
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I'm not "on" the Zoro side bro. Don't label me in with them because of my avatar. I get flamed more for my views on Zoro by Zoro acolytes than my views on Sanji by Sanji ones.
I'm on nobodies side. I have my opinion, that's it.
I am a strong supporter of the classic Zoro and Sanji vs King and Queen matchup respectively and always have been. Both sides have repeatedly told me to fuck off since Act 3 started.
I'm on nobodies side. I have my opinion, that's it.
I am a strong supporter of the classic Zoro and Sanji vs King and Queen matchup respectively and always have been. Both sides have repeatedly told me to fuck off since Act 3 started.
Literally every fanbase has been disappointed this arc.
-Big Meme fans because she’s still a meme
-Kaido fans because he’s just as big of a meme as Big Mom
-Oden fans because Oden’s an idiot
-Luffy fans because he needs to be saved 24/7
-Zoro fans because he’s gonna fight King soon
-Sanji fans because he’s fighting Queen
-Kidd fans because he still hasn’t done anything impressive
-Calamity fans because they’ve been incompetent and useless
-Big Meme fans because she’s still a meme
-Kaido fans because he’s just as big of a meme as Big Mom
-Oden fans because Oden’s an idiot
-Luffy fans because he needs to be saved 24/7
-Zoro fans because he’s gonna fight King soon
-Sanji fans because he’s fighting Queen
-Kidd fans because he still hasn’t done anything impressive
-Calamity fans because they’ve been incompetent and useless
Did you not read the words I said, even though ZKK hasnt been debunked because no one has defeated Kaido.... I will not further discuss that, and again when we are having our convo you are so desperate because you dig yourself a bigger hole everytime, you try to fill that hole with a bunch of "YoU GuYs KeEp MeNTionING ZkK; It Is DeBunKED"
Who is on this side of your's? It seems that a majority of this forum is against you, and everyone against you is toxic. Instead of looking outward you should look inward and you'll find the issue
You are Moe, I presented the evidence. The people here seem to believe you are Moe, I have won the case Jury finds you GUILTY of being Moe
Who is on this side of your's? It seems that a majority of this forum is against you, and everyone against you is toxic. Instead of looking outward you should look inward and you'll find the issue
You are Moe, I presented the evidence. The people here seem to believe you are Moe, I have won the case Jury finds you GUILTY of being Moe
Queen
I have always had the impression she is the strongest combatant from the alliance but that might change come end of Wano but there is no doubt in my mind she is stronger than everybody below Zoro
I know for a fact she is stronger than Sanji and Jinbe
I'd like to explain where I'm coming from on Yamato.
I think Base Yamato's feats already merit a placement of at least Jack level and probably even above him (I strongly doubt that Jack can oneshot a Tobi Roppo), but I'm a crazy Yamato wanker and I'm probably overestimating her, so let's say that Base Yamato is Jack level.
Yamato's Devil Fruit was hidden for a reveal vs Kaido, so it is very likely (I'd personally give >= 75% chances) to be a Mythical Zoan.
All out Yamato should be thus above Queen, but if you want to downplay her, you can say that her current fights only justify Queen level (Mid High Tier).
Now let's talk about the implications of Yamato's fight with Kaido.
Post WCI Luffy got no diffed by Base Kaido. I consider it a no difficulty fight because:
If Yamato gets no diffed, then I would place her below Post WCI Luffy (Luffy could not use Future Sight when he lost to Kaido). She'll remain in my Mid High Tier. In that case, I can see End of Wano Sanji being above her.
If Yamato can push Base Kaido to low difficulty:
If Yamato can push Base Kaido to medium difficulty:
If Yamato can push Base Kaido to high difficulty:
Depending on the level of high difficulty, she ranges from Low Top Tier - Mid Top Tier [-].
If she can push Hybrid Kaido to high difficulty or if Kaido requires his Awakening to beat her, then she's a Mid Top Tier [+?].
I wouldn't consider any higher difficulty scenarios as I think they are very unlikely (<= 10% chances).
Now that Sanji is fighting Queen, I think End of Wano Sanji caps at High High Tier (Katakuri level). If I wanted to be needlessly generous, I could say perhaps High High Tier [+].
I feel like at this point, Yamato is probably going to be pushing Kaido to at least medium difficulty.
When Kaido tries to strike her with a Thunder Bagua, she'll either dodge it, block it, tank it or more likely match it with her own Thunder Bagua.
I expect that we'll see her using Haoshoku to enhance her own attacks. If this is not an ability she's already capable of, it's one that she'll unlock. Enhancing your attacks is an ability that Kaido said "only a handful of the very strongest possess":
Displaying this ability is unequivocal Top Tier portrayal.
But more than that, we haven't even seen Yamato's Devil Fruit. I'm expecting that when Kaido transforms into Hybrid, Yamato will as well (or vice versa).
So my median estimate for Yamato's performance vs Kaido places her at around Low Top Tier.
I think Low Top Tier characters beat Peak High Tier characters at solid medium difficulty, and High High Tier characters at the higher ends of low difficulty or lower ends of medium difficulty.
For reference purposes:
Anyway, this was a longwinded explanation to essentially say that:
@Kuro Ashi: there are scenarios where Yamato joins the crew and I would place Sanji above Yamato. But the vast majority of those scenarios are: "my expectations of Yamato vs Kaido were wrong". If Yamato pushes Kaido to use his Awakening to overcome her, I don't think I could plausibly be convinced that Sanji > Yamato regardless of what happens in the future. I don't think Prime Sanji could push Kaido to use his Awakening.
This is an extreme example, but it gets at where I'm coming from. If the gap between End of Wano Yamato and Sanji is sufficiently great, nothing Sanji will simply be unable to close the gap.
Leaving aside difficulties, if Yamato demonstrates that she can clad her attacks in Haoshoku (an ability that Kaido said only a handful of the very strongest possess), that's unequivocal top tier portrayal. You can't convince me that Sanji is above her because of "Monster Trio" if Sanji himself does not receive a similar portrayal as being a top tier.
I think Base Yamato's feats already merit a placement of at least Jack level and probably even above him (I strongly doubt that Jack can oneshot a Tobi Roppo), but I'm a crazy Yamato wanker and I'm probably overestimating her, so let's say that Base Yamato is Jack level.
Yamato's Devil Fruit was hidden for a reveal vs Kaido, so it is very likely (I'd personally give >= 75% chances) to be a Mythical Zoan.
All out Yamato should be thus above Queen, but if you want to downplay her, you can say that her current fights only justify Queen level (Mid High Tier).
Now let's talk about the implications of Yamato's fight with Kaido.
Post WCI Luffy got no diffed by Base Kaido. I consider it a no difficulty fight because:
- Luffy did ZERO damage.
- Luffy was oneshot with a single named technique.
- Kaido was barely sober and seemingly out of it, so he wasn't exerting himself.
If Yamato gets no diffed, then I would place her below Post WCI Luffy (Luffy could not use Future Sight when he lost to Kaido). She'll remain in my Mid High Tier. In that case, I can see End of Wano Sanji being above her.
If Yamato can push Base Kaido to low difficulty:
- Deal at least slight damage
- Draw blood from him
- Leave him with bruises
- E.g. Red Roc
- E.g. Law's Injection Shot
- Handle at least one named attack)
- She can dodge, block or tank a Thunder Bagua
- She can dodge, block or tank a Rag Naraku
- This is more impressive if the attacks are enhanced with COC.
If Yamato can push Base Kaido to medium difficulty:
- Deal noticeable damage:
- A few Red Roc level attacks
- Handle a few named techniques
- This is more impressive if the attacks are enhanced with COC.
- Spar with Kaido for a while
- Preferably more than 10 minutes
- This is more impressive if the attacks are enhanced with COC.
If Yamato can push Base Kaido to high difficulty:
- Deal significant damage:
- At least of the calibre of Zoro's "Asura Sword-Drawing: Jest of the Dead".
- Handle several named techniques
- They must be enhanced with Haoshoku.
- Spar with Kaido for a while
- At least several tens of minutes
- Up to a few hours
- They must be enhanced with Haoshoku.
- At least several tens of minutes
Depending on the level of high difficulty, she ranges from Low Top Tier - Mid Top Tier [-].
If she can push Hybrid Kaido to high difficulty or if Kaido requires his Awakening to beat her, then she's a Mid Top Tier [+?].
I wouldn't consider any higher difficulty scenarios as I think they are very unlikely (<= 10% chances).
Now that Sanji is fighting Queen, I think End of Wano Sanji caps at High High Tier (Katakuri level). If I wanted to be needlessly generous, I could say perhaps High High Tier [+].
I feel like at this point, Yamato is probably going to be pushing Kaido to at least medium difficulty.
When Kaido tries to strike her with a Thunder Bagua, she'll either dodge it, block it, tank it or more likely match it with her own Thunder Bagua.
I expect that we'll see her using Haoshoku to enhance her own attacks. If this is not an ability she's already capable of, it's one that she'll unlock. Enhancing your attacks is an ability that Kaido said "only a handful of the very strongest possess":
Displaying this ability is unequivocal Top Tier portrayal.
But more than that, we haven't even seen Yamato's Devil Fruit. I'm expecting that when Kaido transforms into Hybrid, Yamato will as well (or vice versa).
So my median estimate for Yamato's performance vs Kaido places her at around Low Top Tier.
I think Low Top Tier characters beat Peak High Tier characters at solid medium difficulty, and High High Tier characters at the higher ends of low difficulty or lower ends of medium difficulty.
For reference purposes:
- I have Marco at Peak High Tier
- I have Chapter 1000 Luffy at Peak High Tier [+] and by Chapter 1009 he may have become an inbetweener (Bottom Top Tier).
- I have Rooftop Zoro at Low Top Tier to Low Top Tier [+].
- A current healthy Zoro is a bit of an unknown.
- I have 1010 Luffy at Low Top Tier [+] to Mid Top Tier [-].
Anyway, this was a longwinded explanation to essentially say that:
- I expect Yamato to show herself to be considerably stronger than Sanji in her fight against Kaido.
- I think the gap is quite big.
- My median estimate is that End of Wano Yamato beats End of Wano Sanji at the lower ends of medium difficulty.
- It's big enough that even if Yamato joined the crew, I don't think Sanji can close the gap between them anytime soon.
@Kuro Ashi: there are scenarios where Yamato joins the crew and I would place Sanji above Yamato. But the vast majority of those scenarios are: "my expectations of Yamato vs Kaido were wrong". If Yamato pushes Kaido to use his Awakening to overcome her, I don't think I could plausibly be convinced that Sanji > Yamato regardless of what happens in the future. I don't think Prime Sanji could push Kaido to use his Awakening.
This is an extreme example, but it gets at where I'm coming from. If the gap between End of Wano Yamato and Sanji is sufficiently great, nothing Sanji will simply be unable to close the gap.
Leaving aside difficulties, if Yamato demonstrates that she can clad her attacks in Haoshoku (an ability that Kaido said only a handful of the very strongest possess), that's unequivocal top tier portrayal. You can't convince me that Sanji is above her because of "Monster Trio" if Sanji himself does not receive a similar portrayal as being a top tier.
I know for a fact she is stronger than Sanji and Jinbe
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