What has awakened that the Gorosei are talking about?


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1. Kaido is still unkillable until luffy puts him down. Dont get your point there
2. Again its regardtion to claim that luffy was as nerfed as kaido since luffy had help fighting fodder up until that point. Also if luffy was as nerfed as you claim (which is bs) that would point at that it's his won fault since he did not bring the prerequisite forces needed before engaging a yonko crew. That would be on luffy not kaido

3. It helped marco and yet marco ended up exhausted and fatigued and needed rest.

4. Yamato oni genetics combined with her zoan fruit helped her and even then it didn stop her from becoming fatigued herself

5. Did Jack's zoan fruit help him from fatigue? No. Kaido told him to an ancient zoan to rest up since he was fatigued

So I dont get your point
Kaido is hyped for his unkillable-ness more than any other character in the raid.

"Fault" aside, which I have already addressed, the result of fighting hordes (which do impact his stamina according to Zoro and Sanji) is still there.

Otherwise Marco would be completely out of it, and be seriously injured fighting two people on his strength level, rather than just tired....

Yamato did what no one else did, and walked away from Kaido without any healing or rest required.

Jack got WRECKED by two people stronger than him individually, to the point of having his eye fucked up and his horn chopped, as well as taking serious damage . Kaido hasn't gotten wrecked throughout the arc and has only taken meaningful damage from (90% Luffy), Zoro and Yamato, all 1 at a time and significantly weaker than him, aside from Luffy. Kaido's durability was such that G4 can't bypass it and ryuo is needed to do anything, something that is not the case for Jack.
 
seeing how zunisha couldn't even defeat jack, ther's really no other way.
we don't yet know anything about uranus, so i can't say anything about it.
What do you mean Zunisha didn't defeat Jack? Zunisha didn't just defeat him, it wrecked Jack's entire fleet.

Defeat =/= Dead. Jack recovered later on in the sea because he's a fishman and breathe underwater.
 
if you ignore all poor writing, planning and development and accept something like this just because your favorite character has it too, you've already failed as a reader... and you should ignore all the writing and just see the little fight pictures.
Everyone failed, Oda, Luffytards, Zorotards, Yamatotards, the few Yonkotards but not the pure breed candybois and their hit and run, simp and grope, cheat and betray cook, he's legit and only got 6 or 7 free PU from the RS, now that's quality writing!
To add on top of all this quality you can't stop dreaming about the cook having that exact same power! :myman:
 
Basically what Oda did in this arc, invented advanced King Haki that leveled him up to god level and the characters learned that in less than 10 minutes fighting... spare me.

ironically, Mashima still manages to give explanations, like Natsu eating some element or something to make it very strong...
That's Luffy's haki specialty, and has been hyped up for years. What did you think Oda was going to do with it? Keep it as a fodder control ability?
 
there no construction. Luffy discovered the King's Haki in the battle against Kaido and came out using it... The same for Zoro that Emma practically forced him to use... all thrown away.

stop lying to yourself.

if you see any construction in it, you are crazy.
There's literally a chapter where Rayleigh explains how it works.

Don't call me crazy. I'm not offending you here, I'm just trying to explain something that IS IN THE MANGA. Be respectful. :seriously:
 
ONE PIECE has reached the level of Bleach... One Piece will end up selling 1kk and being slaughtered by readers...
its naruto and Dragonball super refugees. once their shitty anime/manga ended theyre invading in full force. thats why average IQ of these thread decreased. The reddit became cesspool of venom. Endless posts of zoro opening eye and "Usopp = sogeking" jokes. Every onigashima chapter is a "ZOMG...10/10" in here because zoro using ashura or luffy punching real hard with lightning is somehow good. that tells you all you need to know. theyre here to masturbate about how strong their char is. Its literally dragonballism
 
What do you mean Zunisha didn't defeat Jack? Zunisha didn't just defeat him, it wrecked Jack's entire fleet.

Defeat =/= Dead. Jack recovered later on in the sea because he's a fishman and breathe underwater.
jack recovered shortly after zunisha destroyed his fleet, he wasn't defeated.
he was white eyed from the impact but that's not enough to prove his defeat.
 
Luffy stans are eating

He's gonna be stronger than Kaido by the time the fight ends

Oda debunked the "Kaido is more nerfed than Luffy" headcanon by having Luffy bring up that he doesn't want Kaido to have an excuse if he loses

Luffy is currently matching/dominating Kaido in his base form

He still has G4 and a potential awakening left

Post Wano Luffy > Kaido/BM

He told you so in chapter 1000
 
Basically what Oda did in this arc, invented advanced King Haki that leveled him up to god level and the characters learned that in less than 10 minutes fighting... spare me.

ironically, Mashima still manages to give explanations, like Natsu eating some element or something to make it very strong...
He showed advanced CoA arcs pre-ts, invented/ expanded on advanced CoO last arc, this foreshadowed and advancement of CoC by itself.

He invented sky splitting since Shanks vs WB, what 700 chapters ago?

Every Shanks fanboy theorised a reason why human Shanks could match monsters as being adv CoC well before it was on panel explicitly.

That is world building, Natsu getting another dragon ability from eating some new fire isn't that deep.
 
wano being written by hiro mashima LMFAO. jaw dropped reading this spoiler. feels like orange town rn. villains dancing and drinking during fight. 9 year worth build up down the drain. Who even was queen? what the fuck is Jack at this point bro? buggy crew put more of a fight than big mom. end this clownery now and start the final arc. Luffy gonna defeat BB by punching REAL hard (2x Haki , extreme yonko black lighttning CoC super Awakened Saiyajin form)

>inb4 its shonen bro
fuck off
Oda's devotion to gags is frightening, tbh, to the point where he'd rather see Kin's flatulent jokes and Crydo than real, actual tensions. :catcry:

I never would have thought Luffy vs Kaido would be written as a gag fight. catded
 
Kaido is hyped for his unkillable-ness more than any other character in the raid.

"Fault" aside, which I have already addressed, the result of fighting hordes (which do impact his stamina according to Zoro and Sanji) is still there.

Otherwise Marco would be completely out of it, and be seriously injured fighting two people on his strength level, rather than just tired....

Yamato did what no one else did, and walked away from Kaido without any healing or rest required.

Jack got WRECKED by two people stronger than him individually, to the point of having his eye fucked up and his horn chopped, as well as taking serious damage . Kaido hasn't gotten wrecked throughout the arc and has only taken meaningful damage from (90% Luffy), Zoro and Yamato, all 1 at a time and significantly weaker than him, aside from Luffy. Kaido's durability was such that G4 can't bypass it and ryuo is needed to do anything, something that is not the case for Jack.
Zoans naturally recuperate once they aren't exerting themselves.

Yamato also used an ability to withstand her father's attack and even she stated if she hadn't it would be bad.

Yes jack someone weaker than them individual was f'ed up but once allowed to rest he was able to recuperate.

Kaido was hyped as unkillable. Luffy still hasn't done anything that suggests he can kill him so kaido is still living up to the claim.

It was also stated that 1v1 bet on kaido which again is something luffy can't brag about since he didn't 1v1 him from start to finish with both being fresh. So even if kaido were to live after all of this he can simply state that he fought all these dudes at once and straw just landed the final blow. So his title would still be the same. Which would be bad
 
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