Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1048 Spoilers Discussion
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I mean....Big Mom lol. Either she never used it or was already using it (and Oda just decided to not elaborate).
I don't know what to tell you. 5 chapters prior I would have totally agreed, but the narration of the story is disagreeing with that idea currently. He's been setting up a dramatic climax to the fight, with no allusion that there is anything more beyond what we have.
Do I want to be wrong? Of course. But there's clearly a clock ticking and the climax is aligning with Orochi being defeated, Momo finally controlling the island, the Wano lanterns rising, and their alleged final clash.
If it just...continued beyond this point, then there is no reason for the author to set it up this way in the first place
I don't know what to tell you. 5 chapters prior I would have totally agreed, but the narration of the story is disagreeing with that idea currently. He's been setting up a dramatic climax to the fight, with no allusion that there is anything more beyond what we have.
Do I want to be wrong? Of course. But there's clearly a clock ticking and the climax is aligning with Orochi being defeated, Momo finally controlling the island, the Wano lanterns rising, and their alleged final clash.
If it just...continued beyond this point, then there is no reason for the author to set it up this way in the first place
You summed up why most are feeling a bit bitter about wano.
A four year long arc with Beast pirates and BM as antagonists.
King and queen got done in few chapters.
Jack - damn I don't even wanna start with him. Oda done him dirty plain and simple.
BM - a yonkou was defeated in few chapters without we actually seeing her going all out - using advanced haki or Awakening clearly
And, then you have Luffy vs kaido climax being setup with all those lanterns and luffy with a bigger/stronger punch.
Yet, we are missing out on
Kaido's flashback
Kaido clearly using awakening - zoan awakening in an arc which started with smiles and how kaido wanted an army of zoan DFS user
Also, there is no dawn in wano right now.
That's why people are feeling conflicted.
And, to me a fire attack in G5 would have been perfect.
Kaido is vulnerable to fire
Oden was boiled alive
Everyone waiting for the dawn
Fire signifies sun and rise of the sun signifies dawn and Luffy is symbolic to the Sun.
With all these remain being addressed (not to mention zoro reaper plot which came out of nowhere), I don't see this ending of wano being any where near to be a fitting end
A four year long arc with Beast pirates and BM as antagonists.
King and queen got done in few chapters.
Jack - damn I don't even wanna start with him. Oda done him dirty plain and simple.
BM - a yonkou was defeated in few chapters without we actually seeing her going all out - using advanced haki or Awakening clearly
And, then you have Luffy vs kaido climax being setup with all those lanterns and luffy with a bigger/stronger punch.
Yet, we are missing out on
Kaido's flashback
Kaido clearly using awakening - zoan awakening in an arc which started with smiles and how kaido wanted an army of zoan DFS user
Also, there is no dawn in wano right now.
That's why people are feeling conflicted.
And, to me a fire attack in G5 would have been perfect.
Kaido is vulnerable to fire
Oden was boiled alive
Everyone waiting for the dawn
Fire signifies sun and rise of the sun signifies dawn and Luffy is symbolic to the Sun.
With all these remain being addressed (not to mention zoro reaper plot which came out of nowhere), I don't see this ending of wano being any where near to be a fitting end
But....that's precisely the issue lol. That's why people like Morj expect the raid to "fail" when there's no reason for it to.
You guys are unhappy with certain expectations on things. Understandable. I am too. But realize that has zero bearing on when a fight or arc needs to end or not.
The things you want here are not things that "need" to happen, they are thing we want to happen. I "want" Kaido to show a defined awakening too. I "want" him to have a decent flashback (even if smaller than a chapter, could be in 1049). But that doesn't mean any of it "needs" to happen.
Hell, my biggest disappointments were Jack, the Numbers and the BMP not showing up. This resulted in several strawhats not getting reasonable fights. It bothers me, but it's done and there's nothing we can do about it
You guys are unhappy with certain expectations on things. Understandable. I am too. But realize that has zero bearing on when a fight or arc needs to end or not.
The things you want here are not things that "need" to happen, they are thing we want to happen. I "want" Kaido to show a defined awakening too. I "want" him to have a decent flashback (even if smaller than a chapter, could be in 1049). But that doesn't mean any of it "needs" to happen.
Hell, my biggest disappointments were Jack, the Numbers and the BMP not showing up. This resulted in several strawhats not getting reasonable fights. It bothers me, but it's done and there's nothing we can do about it
Firstly, there are levels to this argument. The weight of a flashback is different from awakening, so they have to be be judged separately.
I'd argue that a flashback IS warranted and set up by the story. There has been hints to Rocks and their crew. We've gotten loose interpretations of that time period b Sengoku. We know very little Kaido's past as an Ogre. However, save for the Rocks portion (which can come later in the story), Kaido's past as young Ogre/kid could be 5-10 pages in his defeat chapter. It can be included in Yamato's flashback if she joins and has more to say about her species. It's certainly warranted.
Kaido's awakening was expected, but not warranted. We only expected it because other villains used it, followed by the 3 main captains this arc. However, when neither YC fight showed it, and when BM herself did not show it, it became clear expectations were not satisfactory.
I agree that the outcome is disappointing, but really only 1 of the 2 big things about Kaido is "warranted", especially when we don't really know if him or BM are using awakening or not already. They very well can be, and you can just be unhappy with that. That is also a possibility
I'd argue that a flashback IS warranted and set up by the story. There has been hints to Rocks and their crew. We've gotten loose interpretations of that time period b Sengoku. We know very little Kaido's past as an Ogre. However, save for the Rocks portion (which can come later in the story), Kaido's past as young Ogre/kid could be 5-10 pages in his defeat chapter. It can be included in Yamato's flashback if she joins and has more to say about her species. It's certainly warranted.
Kaido's awakening was expected, but not warranted. We only expected it because other villains used it, followed by the 3 main captains this arc. However, when neither YC fight showed it, and when BM herself did not show it, it became clear expectations were not satisfactory.
I agree that the outcome is disappointing, but really only 1 of the 2 big things about Kaido is "warranted", especially when we don't really know if him or BM are using awakening or not already. They very well can be, and you can just be unhappy with that. That is also a possibility
I think this arc is really being judged by what people wanted it to be instead of being judged for what it is. Which I don't think is completely fair.
Now there are a lot of valid criticsms like you say, but I think that if the arc is judged for what it is trying to do, which is an action heavy conflict against the Yonko, it is pretty solid. Even if it isn't as good as some of the previous arcs.
I do think the raid is going to fail though (it's pretty much 100% confirmed at this point), but I still wouldn't mind if it didn't happen because I've really enjoyed this arc.
Now there are a lot of valid criticsms like you say, but I think that if the arc is judged for what it is trying to do, which is an action heavy conflict against the Yonko, it is pretty solid. Even if it isn't as good as some of the previous arcs.
I do think the raid is going to fail though (it's pretty much 100% confirmed at this point), but I still wouldn't mind if it didn't happen because I've really enjoyed this arc.
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