Chapter Discussion One Piece Chapter 959: Samurai
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Just cause he spread it, doesn't mean there were few readers before JoyBoy spread it.
I'm taking nothing away from Joyboy, he's a respectable Youtuber with good content. But all I'm saying the idea existed before he spread it out, and it usually came from Zoro fans who were hating on Luffy for not listening to Zoro's words and going for Sanji. The creation of such threads all started from the Z fans, whether you want to believe it or not, like it or not, that's a FACT! Because I remember the amount of threads created for this topic alone, and with users attacking both Sanji and Luffy in those threads.
Hell, the fact that you are even arguing with me about who started this theory being NOT Z fans, is the most ridiculous shit. The only grave that is being dug is done for you by your own hands.
The fact that you already admitted that Joyboy was not the first, EVEN if he spread the word for larger followers, the fact that it first came from someone else ONLY proves my point.
And bro, Orojackson was not a mere random forum. It WAS the LARGEST MOST ACTIVE One Piece forum EVER EXISTED. That even many of those youtubers DID sign up in the forum to read its content! I have nothing against youtubers spreading a nice thought from someone else on a forum and spread it to a larger audiance, however don't think for one second that Orojackson was small, otherwise you are the one making yourself ignorant.
I'm taking nothing away from Joyboy, he's a respectable Youtuber with good content. But all I'm saying the idea existed before he spread it out, and it usually came from Zoro fans who were hating on Luffy for not listening to Zoro's words and going for Sanji. The creation of such threads all started from the Z fans, whether you want to believe it or not, like it or not, that's a FACT! Because I remember the amount of threads created for this topic alone, and with users attacking both Sanji and Luffy in those threads.
Hell, the fact that you are even arguing with me about who started this theory being NOT Z fans, is the most ridiculous shit. The only grave that is being dug is done for you by your own hands.
The fact that you already admitted that Joyboy was not the first, EVEN if he spread the word for larger followers, the fact that it first came from someone else ONLY proves my point.
And bro, Orojackson was not a mere random forum. It WAS the LARGEST MOST ACTIVE One Piece forum EVER EXISTED. That even many of those youtubers DID sign up in the forum to read its content! I have nothing against youtubers spreading a nice thought from someone else on a forum and spread it to a larger audiance, however don't think for one second that Orojackson was small, otherwise you are the one making yourself ignorant.
this sounds weirdly generalizing of a large group of people you inherently dont really know much about lol.
Alot of people were having this idea or were recognizing the possibility of it happening given the dialogue from post EL.
Joyboy was at least the most persistent one, having made multiple videos about it.
Alot of people were having this idea or were recognizing the possibility of it happening given the dialogue from post EL.
Joyboy was at least the most persistent one, having made multiple videos about it.
I'll repeat, me rejecting the idea is not because who it came from. It simply because the idea of it happening, ALTOUGH it carries intense drama between Luffy and Zoro which would be a cool thing to happen where they have some conflict, and they resolve it later, I have nothing against that happening. I simply am AGAINST the idea of the reason for it being Luffy going to save Sanji and Big Mom coming to Wano as a consequence and even allying with the enemy.
Cause we are here belittling Zoro instead of wanting to see Zoro have intense dialog with Luffy for character development for both. It simply regresses Zoro's character by many miles. It goes against his character, and his guts, and his fearless unwavering resolve!
For a supposed vice captain "since it's not official LOL" the idea of him getting angry at Luffy-Sanji for WCI makes no sense at all
Cause here's the thing, it was NOT Sanji who started shit with BM. It was Luffy during Fishman Island and Zoro was present. If anything, Luffy got involved with Law and Kaido AFTER he got involved with Big Mom in Fishman island. So, if there was a time for getting angry, it would be about making alliance with Law to take down Kaido while BM's focus was on them already.
Secondly, for the vice captain to prefer for a nakama/comrade to lose his dream and never get help in dire situation, and ends up being assassinated along with his family, and his justification is that he doesn't want another Yonko enemy right now!? It would only bring shame to Zoro.
So, it really doesn't matter at the end of the day who spread the theory more. At the end of the day, whoever wanted this dramatic intense fight between Zoro and the crew for this, he CLEARLY would have put Zoro to shame if it happened. Cause out of all the crew member who would have left the SHs, he would be literally the only one who left the crew in their time of need of him against an enemy because he's afraid of that enemy. While all other crewmembers who left before, they left the crew as a way to sacrifice themselves to save the crew while they intended to sacrifice their dream and lives.
Do you realize the contrast here? and how much Zoro's character would have been dragged into the mud!?
Like I said, I have no problem with Zoro fighting Luffy seriously, BUT not because of that plot of Sanji-BM-WCI thingy. Cause it would ruin Zoro's character for good.
And whether you believe it or not, a lot of those threads started because of the:
1- Zoro takes New World seriously
2- Luffy is always joking around in new World
3- Zoro warned Luffy in Punk hazard, he still never listens.
4- Luffy needs a spanking lesson from Zoro
...etc from gradual hate of Luffy's actions and wanting to see Zoro shine over Luffy. But in reality if it happened over the Sanji-WCI situation, it would have only ruined Zoro instead of making him shine. On the other hand, I would LOVE an intense fight between the two when you are NOT SURE whether Luffy is right or Zoro is right, so both can shine in their own right, and eventually, both end up together. Somehow like how our crew members left before
Cause we are here belittling Zoro instead of wanting to see Zoro have intense dialog with Luffy for character development for both. It simply regresses Zoro's character by many miles. It goes against his character, and his guts, and his fearless unwavering resolve!
For a supposed vice captain "since it's not official LOL" the idea of him getting angry at Luffy-Sanji for WCI makes no sense at all
Cause here's the thing, it was NOT Sanji who started shit with BM. It was Luffy during Fishman Island and Zoro was present. If anything, Luffy got involved with Law and Kaido AFTER he got involved with Big Mom in Fishman island. So, if there was a time for getting angry, it would be about making alliance with Law to take down Kaido while BM's focus was on them already.
Secondly, for the vice captain to prefer for a nakama/comrade to lose his dream and never get help in dire situation, and ends up being assassinated along with his family, and his justification is that he doesn't want another Yonko enemy right now!? It would only bring shame to Zoro.
So, it really doesn't matter at the end of the day who spread the theory more. At the end of the day, whoever wanted this dramatic intense fight between Zoro and the crew for this, he CLEARLY would have put Zoro to shame if it happened. Cause out of all the crew member who would have left the SHs, he would be literally the only one who left the crew in their time of need of him against an enemy because he's afraid of that enemy. While all other crewmembers who left before, they left the crew as a way to sacrifice themselves to save the crew while they intended to sacrifice their dream and lives.
Do you realize the contrast here? and how much Zoro's character would have been dragged into the mud!?
Like I said, I have no problem with Zoro fighting Luffy seriously, BUT not because of that plot of Sanji-BM-WCI thingy. Cause it would ruin Zoro's character for good.
And whether you believe it or not, a lot of those threads started because of the:
1- Zoro takes New World seriously
2- Luffy is always joking around in new World
3- Zoro warned Luffy in Punk hazard, he still never listens.
4- Luffy needs a spanking lesson from Zoro
...etc from gradual hate of Luffy's actions and wanting to see Zoro shine over Luffy. But in reality if it happened over the Sanji-WCI situation, it would have only ruined Zoro instead of making him shine. On the other hand, I would LOVE an intense fight between the two when you are NOT SURE whether Luffy is right or Zoro is right, so both can shine in their own right, and eventually, both end up together. Somehow like how our crew members left before
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I always thought it was stupid of some to think Zoro will leave the crew after he learns about Sanji and BM and say that the meeting between sanji and zoro will be explosive
there were many discussions happened about Zoro leaving SH and going to have a fight with Luffy in OJ...now it turned out wrong and there are some people who are backtracking or keeping mum about it...as simple as that....this is similar case like "Orochi is nearly as strong as Kaido" and when it was not people backtracked by saying..."we never said that"...
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I thought it was joyboy pushing this theory
whats going on here. On this forum, I am yet to see that iterated by anyone
whats going on here. On this forum, I am yet to see that iterated by anyone
I remember reading those threads and many posts from Z bois on the same, at OJ.
Apparently Sanji fans n other fandom were making more sense than em about Zoro character there.
Maybe they just wanted to see decisive panels of Zoro like we got in Water 7, even tho Usopp - Sanji situations were so different and that dire situations SHs will face in Wano that won't allow em, this much Drama.
Some even went to the extent to temporarily wanting Zoro to leave the crew, and fighting Luffy.
Apparently Sanji fans n other fandom were making more sense than em about Zoro character there.
Maybe they just wanted to see decisive panels of Zoro like we got in Water 7, even tho Usopp - Sanji situations were so different and that dire situations SHs will face in Wano that won't allow em, this much Drama.
Some even went to the extent to temporarily wanting Zoro to leave the crew, and fighting Luffy.
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is it me or enma is much bigger then the rest of his swors that is why he holding on his houlder hand instead of waist liek the rest?
and flashback are nice and all if it's like roger pirates, but not oden and stuff we don't know more random new charcters. kaidou vs luffy is what we want, not another boring flashback. but maybe it's just 1 chapter long and not robin flashback long
and flashback are nice and all if it's like roger pirates, but not oden and stuff we don't know more random new charcters. kaidou vs luffy is what we want, not another boring flashback. but maybe it's just 1 chapter long and not robin flashback long
That's not what happened, I think the Oniwabanshu used to be under Shogun Sukiyaki Kozuki but when Orochi took over, they were forced to bend the knee to him and become his ninja, that's when Shinobu keft the group
Mihawk > BB tho
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Well, Zoro fans are always speculating the impossible. Dude was in a closed-off nation but you expected the government to up his bounty for basically doing squat 
It's the same group you will find speculating mihawk has a higher bounty than BB
It's the same group you will find speculating mihawk has a higher bounty than BB
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