Chapter Discussion One Piece - Chapter 972: I’m Oden and I was Born to Boil

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this crappy troll said that if zoro hurt kaido, one piece will be known as the biggest disaster in history of manga and lose the majority of its fans
but he thinks kid will solo big mom
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I think people are just more comfortable with law or kid hurting kaido or bm because they feel they need to assert their place as luffy's rivals. but if zoro does it, saying is bad writing is dumb.
it simply didnt happen the way you wanted.
op will keep its fans, character polls dont exactly point law or kid's way lol.
we have seen top 5 supernova like hawkins tangle with zoro
and drake another one of the top 5 tangle (prets) with sanji rather than luffy himself. This "rivalry" will be dusted by the end of the arc imo. bb is the big bad.
 
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Well they said theu were being pursued because of the Raftel info and likely Oden Journal. But that search didnt start until the scabbards came back. So Maybe Kaido learned of Oden's role in Roger's travels later and is now on the hunt.

I will agree that I was under the impression that this was the reason Kaido was on Wano in the first place but Kaido was their before Roger even got to Raftel so our understanding of it must have been wrong lol
The thing is that Zoro asks if the execution of Oden was related to the reason why Kinemon and the others have been pursued.

And Kinemon agrees.



This panel has nothing to do with all we've seen in this flashback.
 
Why is everybody forgetting that alongside Kaido there is still Big Mom who needs to be taken down

All these theories about team fight against Kaido based on the idea that all strong members (meaning Luffy, Kid, law) will team up against Kaido, which would have sense if Big Mom wasn't there but since Big Mom is in Wano the idea of team fight is dead. Do you really believe that all strong members will fight against Kaido and Big Mom will fight against Fodders? You need two crews with strong enough Capitans to take down both Big Mom and Kaido, and we have Luffy vs Kaido and Kid vs Big Mom. Kid vs Big Mom was build up since Fishermen island arc where we find out that Kid attacked totoland and destroyed two of Big Mom's ships and in Wano we find out that Kid also wounded/scarred one of her camanders. Both Kaido and Big will go down in 1v1 fights whether you like it or not.

This is the arc in which we will find out to why Luffy is so important, to why Luffy is the next JoyBoy and most importantly to why he's the chosen one, there's no way that in this important moment for the MC he will take down the antagonist in team fight.
Lol you think Kidd will solo BM? That makes no sense story wise. Remember Law ? Where does that fit in ? I see a 3v1 quite possible if the marines come and it goes as a three way fight.

Luffy won't surpass Kaido this ARC lol get this on you heads people, but he will need help. I agree it will end up being one on one, but not after a lot of stuff
 
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14% of votes average? WTF Is wrong with this forum?

Oden death Is a manga Classic Moment but people Will realize It 10 years from now!
Oda failed to make me emotionally attached to Oden on any level. I felt nothing during Oden's death. Seeing Oden "die with a smile" was actually cringe, and the highpoint of this chapter was the sense of relief I had when I realised this flashback finally ended
 
Oden didn’t win me over. Oda didn’t quite hit the mark when it came to his portrayal. His outlandish intro making him to be this ‘larger than life figure’ – really soured me to no end. There was nothing wrong with Oden except being somewhat tactless and selfish. Which is classic ‘Gary Stu’ – where a near perfect character has a so-called flaw which isn’t really a flaw, but is actually a good thing. So that was a turn off from early on.
It's totally fine if you don't like Oden.

But it is a falsehood to claim that Oden is a "Gary Stu". Thats not what a Gary Stu even is nor was Oden ever portrayed as perfect. You are confusing "Larger-Than-Life" characters for "perfect" characters. They are not the same. Most characters in One Piece are larger than life. Luffy is larger than life. He's kicked God's ass in the sky, Frequently saves entire countries without meaning to, Challenged the World to a fight to save one friend etc etc. Whitebeard was also larger than life. He was the World's Strongest Man, He was "the man who shook the world", the Pirate King's main rival, Fought the entire Marine HQ and despite every attack they through his way the Man died standing. Even in death all the world's strongest fighters failed to bring him to his knees.

I only use Luffy and Whitebeard as easy examples here but they are clearly both larger than life characters who have great standing in the world and constantly did over the top epic things. But the narrative has never portrayed them as perfect. Or without flaws. They still fail.

This would also apply to Comic Book Superheroes as well. Superman and the entire Justice League are often portrayed as larger than life. They do amazing things in just about every issue. It doesn't mean that they're perfect.

Him taking on the burdens of Wano by himself or him going off alone trusting in his own strength. All these are not flaws either. But Oden not trusting his Scabbards/friends/allies IS a flaw though, yet Oda will never have any character call him out on it. Not with the way things are now with the Scabbards and the people of Wano idolising and near-mythologising Oden.
This is incorrect. Those are all his flaws. They don't need to call him on it either. Whats important is that it's challenged by the narrative. Not the characters. What constitutes a flaw in stories is whether or not it actually impedes the character and causes them problems or causes them to fail. It's the trait holding them back. Oden's flaws lead him straight to his death.

Compounding it further Oda had Oden display an astounding lack of common sense, while having massive amounts of gullibility. So much so it took me out of the experience as a reader because it is something one simply cannot relate to. One doesn’t trust someone who is a proven liar
Ignoring the fact that he didn't actually trust Orochi, this is incredibly hypocritical.

It's contradictory for you to claim that Oden is perfect and flawless and therefore don't like him but then turn around and say that he lacks common sense which would be a blatant character flaw. You can't simultaneously argue he's a "gary stu" and then hate him for having a flaw you don't like. lol.

I'd also point out that you're not obligated to relate to every character in every story.
 
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