General & Others One Piece Criticism : Valid or Overblown ?

RecoomeBoom

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I stand by my opinion that WCI is the worst arc in One Piece. The fake tension with the handcuffs, Zeff, etc. The random plot points that keep appearing along with the random solutions. Pointless fights. Poor and logically bunk development for the main character of the arc, Sanji.

I think WCI was supposed to be a heist arc. To infiltrate and escape in minimal chapters. But somewhere along the way Oda and his editors decided to make it longer. The whole time I was reading, it felt like Oda was completely unprepared. It's like the brainstorm of ideas on a whiteboard but unironically all became real plot points.
 
Luffy the Yonko Slayer

Luffy the Yonko Slayer

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Den_Den_Mushi said:
I think you basically invite criticism upon yourself when you trumpet about Wano ‘making Marineford look cute’ only to deliver absolute dogshit characters like Toki and unforgettable fights like Luffy vs Urashima that lasted longer than Oden vs Kaido. Don’t blow your own horn and then turn around and insult the audience when you fail abysmally at delivering your own hype.
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The arc is not over yet so its early to judge whether it passed Marineford or not.

Of course it helps when you have an open mind and enjoy the things you get instead of making your own scenario in your head then rant in disappointment when it doesn't happen the way you want it to be.
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Jackteo said:
You just have to have Luffy as your favourite character. He gets so much spotlight that even if the rest is awful you can still enjoy most of the chapters and so the serie:kayneshrug:
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Are you saying that your disappointment over one piece currenly truely comes from Sanji not getting enough spotlight (since he's your favortie character).

Luffy is my favorite character and I like him getting all the traits you mentioned, but if he doesn't appear for 50 chapters straight I wouldn't mind cuz I care more about the story overall than whether Luffy gets enough panels or sportlights.
 
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Fujishiro

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TheAncientCenturion said:
Some criticism is earned by Oda. Especially those on the last 2 arcs. I've noticed a lot of people who do say One Piece has fallen downhill tend to speak very highly of the earlier arcs and sagas. So it's not like it's straight hate for the sake of it, or wanting to be a contrarian.

God. HxH looks so bad.
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Nice well written opinion.
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Luffy the Yonko Slayer said:
Different shows, different way of storytelling.

Just because Togashi put the tension moments this way doesn't means Oda has to follow the same path.

The way Oda tells his stroy is different. He likes to take things lightely until situation get very critically dangerous, this is one of the things one piece is famous for from the beginning not justnow. Everyone will get serious once the risk get high during the fights just like it happend in Alabasta and Enies Lobby.
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In alabasta they were serious from the start, same thing with enies lobby when they were going to robin. This, they are going against 2 EMPERORS. And they are acting llike clowns. There is a time and place for gags.
 
Paperchampion23

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Zoro D Goat said:
It's both actually. The Fandom can dickriding the plot like Wedding Cake and such and then it's also Oda's fault for not delivering us the content that we want to see like the Strawhats interaction LOL.
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On the plus side, the last 4 chapters have given us great Strawhat interactions and I'm excited for more. Tbh I think Wano is about to be a return to form for One Piece in terms of character and massive payoffs, regardless of how people think the arc will go
 
Warchief Sanji D Goat

Warchief Sanji D Goat

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Paperchampion23 said:
On the plus side, the last 4 chapters have given us great Strawhat interactions and I'm excited for more. Tbh I think Wano is about to be a return to form for One Piece in terms of character and massive payoffs, regardless of how people think the arc will go
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Sadly the people want to see the fights the most:josad::josad:Because power level is everything:pepemy:
 
RYNO

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Den_Den_Mushi said:
I think you basically invite criticism upon yourself when you trumpet about Wano ‘making Marineford look cute’ only to deliver absolute dogshit characters like Toki and unforgettable fights like Luffy vs Urashima that lasted longer than Oden vs Kaido. Don’t blow your own horn and then turn around and insult the audience when you fail abysmally at delivering your own hype.
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The arc hasnt gotten to giant battle between straw hat allaince vs BM and Kaido alliance and oda was talking about the size of the wanos war, thats what i got from oda said and really think the wano arc was gonna be a gaint war, that not how oda does his arcs that is about going to new island like wano he lets us soak in the culture and the feel of the island,you just excpected wano to be something that it was never gonna be.
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oh yeah for the people who say this cover story is crap, would beges cover story be all wortht it if we find out lola was married to lucky roo thats my theory what goner happen at the end of this cover story.
 
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RYNO said:
The arc hasnt gotten to giant battle between straw hat allaince vs BM and Kaido alliance and oda was talking about the size of the wanos war, thats what i got from oda said and really think the wano arc was gonna be a gaint war, that not how oda does his arcs that is about going to new island like wano he lets us soak in the culture and the feel of the island,you just excpected wano to be something that it was never gonna be.
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oh yeah for the people who say this cover story is crap, would beges cover story be all wortht it if we find out lola was married to lucky roo thats my theory what goner happen at the end of this cover story.
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I dont think she is married to lucky roo !! She just left from Water 7 to dressrossa . Shanks and his crew were in New world we need to rule that out.
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RecoomeBoom said:
I stand by my opinion that WCI is the worst arc in One Piece. The fake tension with the handcuffs, Zeff, etc. The random plot points that keep appearing along with the random solutions. Pointless fights. Poor and logically bunk development for the main character of the arc, Sanji.

I think WCI was supposed to be a heist arc. To infiltrate and escape in minimal chapters. But somewhere along the way Oda and his editors decided to make it longer. The whole time I was reading, it felt like Oda was completely unprepared. It's like the brainstorm of ideas on a whiteboard but unironically all became real plot points.
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I kind of agree the threat Sanji bid to join bege to WCI only to find out big mom has no interest in Zeff because threat were from Germa from very beginning . I do think the plot with zeff should have been much better in my opinion .

I would say Germa as a group were not as evil as sanji shown in his past . They are just power hungry desperate to bring old days Germa fear back in North blue . There was no logical conclusion what exactly made Germa want to conquer North blue .

-> I would say wedding cake plot was clearly meant to avoid Big mom confronting straw hats thats it . we can all say it was nit executed properly but reality is that oda clearly wanted to show Yonko are on different level and luffy was barely ready .
 
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dirtyLarry

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SHIHI said:
The main thing I dislike is the lack of tension, even though they are up against two emperors.

Just compare this

To this

with context ofc.
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Well, HxH is a damn masterpiece for a reason.

TheAncientCenturion said:
God. HxH looks so bad.
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That's true, the art style definitely is one of Togashi's two flaws (the other one being his permanent hiatus) :D
However, in terms of storywriting and building up tension/stakes, there's nobody better in the shonen business. HxH beats OP quite easily in that department.
 
Luffy the Yonko Slayer

Luffy the Yonko Slayer

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Such a disrespect how some people claim that they only criticize Oda's writing because they liked what One Piece used to be pre timeskip which was almost 10 years ago already and claim that post timeskip writing went down hill yet they spend their time following the manga everyweek and discuss everything about it in forums and other social media platforms every single day and then have the nerve to claim that the reasoning for trashing One Piece and Oda is their love for the manga and wishing for it to come back to its great past (though its still great no matter the hate) as if trashing it it would change anything but making every place to enjoy discussing One Piece nothing but a toxic environment where fans who really love and appreciate One Piece can have a good time disccusing their enjoyment about the manga.

Always rubbing our faces by praising other so called better mangas which ones wonder why they don't just spend their valuable time disccusing these greater mangas in its forum instead of polluting One Piece forums with their ranting. Of course assuming those shows are so great I am assuming that there is a lot to speak about so why waste time here when you can have a nice time talking about HxH, JoJo, Berserk, Demon Slayer or whatever manga or tv show you think is better.

Its been 10 years and still those people complain and whine about everything and rarely they say something good about the show and then have the nerve to say they only express their opinion out of the love for One Piece.

Real fans can have a dissatisfied reaction towards some negative points in plots or storylines but what keep them stick around is when the positive outweights the negatives. And you know what those real fans do, they point out the negative in a constructive manner and then move on to speak about what they liked about each chapter or the whole manga in general. What fake fans do is only pick the negatives and rant and whine and go around every topic to speak ill about the show and Oda and praise others shows as if One Piece is trash.


A lot people (not all) who harshly criticize Oda's writing and One Piece in general are people who were only talking trash about One Piece in OJ forums and they do the same here and rarely if never they spoke well about the manga.


What I just said I didn't mean every singel person criticizing One Piece cuz it really does has its flaws but in the end its not as bad as some put it out to be (meaning the negatives outwieght the positives) and if it did in your opinion then Just take your valuable time in somewhere where you appreciate the things you talk about.
 
Ravagerblade

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Luffy the Yonko Slayer said:
Such a disrespect how some people claim that they only criticize Oda's writing because they liked what One Piece used to be pre timeskip which was almost 10 years ago already and claim that post timeskip writing went down hill yet they spend their time following the manga everyweek and discuss everything about it in forums and other social media platforms every single day and then have the nerve to claim that the reasoning for trashing One Piece and Oda is their love for the manga and wishing for it to come back to its great past (though its still great no matter the hate) as if trashing it it would change anything but making every place to enjoy discussing One Piece nothing but a toxic environment where fans who really love and appreciate One Piece can have a good time disccusing their enjoyment about the manga.

Always rubbing our faces by praising other so called better mangas which ones wonder why they don't just spend their valuable time disccusing these greater mangas in its forum instead of polluting One Piece forums with their ranting. Of course assuming those shows are so great I am assuming that there is a lot to speak about so why waste time here when you can have a nice time talking about HxH, JoJo, Berserk, Demon Slayer or whatever manga or tv show you think is better.

Its been 10 years and still those people complain and whine about everything and rarely they say something good about the show and then have the nerve to say they only express their opinion out of the love for One Piece.

Real fans can have a dissatisfied reaction towards some negative points in plots or storylines but what keep them stick around is when the positive outweights the negatives. And you know what those real fans do, they point out the negative in a constructive manner and the move on to speak about what they liked about each chapter or the whole manga in general. What fake fans do in only pick the negatives and rant and whine and go around every topic to speak ill about the show and Oda and praise others shows as if One Piece is trash.


A lot people (not all) who harshly criticize Oda's writing and One Piece in general are people who were only talking trash about One Piece in OJ forums and they do the same here and rarely if never they spoke well about the manga.


What I just said I didn't mean every singel person criticizing One Piece cuz it really does has its flaws but in the end its not as bad as some put it out to be (meaning the negatives outwieght the positives) and if it did in your opinion then Just take your valuable time in somewhere where you appreciate the things you talk about.
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Because people are already invested in it. Not everybody can drop things at a tip of hat. Even worse right now with lockdown so people aren't going to be fully rational... ever heard the saying beauty is in the eye of the beholder? Well what happens when when that eye starts to see flaws in an otherwise; what they saw flawless image, of course people will be mad and want to discuss it.
 
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Luffy the Yonko Slayer

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Ravagerblade said:
Because people are already invested in it. Not everybody can drop things at a tip of hat. Even worse right now with lockdown so people aren't going to be fully rational... ever heard the saying beauty is in the eye of the beholder? Well what happens when when that eye starts to see flaws in an otherwise what they say flawless image, of course people will be mad and want to discuss it.
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They couldn't drop something that was going down hill for ten years. When the show you following mostly presents stupid flawed story and it went on like this for a long time then you only wasting your time, even worst is to spend so much time discussing it in forums and social media (lockdown or not they've been around here and OJ forums for years).

I understand the criticism that comes from people who speak about both the good and the bad and certainly when the good outweights the bad is when its believable but when one only points out the negative it means he no longer like what he sees and should just do the sensible thing and drop it.

There is couple members who are so active and were active in OJ and you know what I've never not once saw them say one good thing about the show or Oda's writing, are you telling me those are fans too. They can't even speak about the good things, assuming it exist in their mind cuz they so invested in trash talking about One Piece.

You cannot drop soemthing you love at the tip of hat but are you sure thats the case with those people. I keep saying its been 10 years because its truely been 10 years since the timeskip and these people been saying the timeskip was all around trash so how can anyone with a single brain cell can still follow voluntarily something that has been bothering him for 10 years. I just don't believe it.
 
Nidai_Kitetsu

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I understand the flaws of One Piece and Oda. But why are you guys acting like Togashi is a perfect mangaka? Go to any HxH forums (if they exist) and see how miserable their fans are. I remember the HxH fans of Narutoforums started to comment on One Piece (typically they came to vent their frustrations) because there was no HxH chapters, lol.

To Oda's credit, he at least publish content regularly, while lazy fuck Togashi takes 2-3 years of break to come up with a good storyline. That doesn't always work though, as the current arc of HxH seems as bad as Dressrosa tbh, a huge number of characters with no real purpose.

Dont get me started on HxH drawing :suresure: In many occasions, Togashi draws a small panel and writes an essay as if it's a novel, not a manga. Its almost like a punishment to read those chapters. I havent read Chimera ant arc weekly, Thank God, I have heard from HxH fans they had to endure such abominations as art during the weekly release which were later improved in the main volume:



We should be thankful that Oda is publishing One Piece quite regularly compared to HxH.
 
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Jackteo

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Many people (me included) who join forums need to discuss to enjoy completely a serie and the only topic someone can discuss for years without getting bored, is power level of characters they care about. 3-4 chapters per month are too few to move the plot at his pace.

Fewer fights (almost 0 decent ones without Luffy) imply less logical discussion on power level.
Less discussion, more focus on the plot.
More focus on the plot, more criticism since it's boring, slow paced and even absurd now and then.

I love most of Oda's designs, many of the flashbacks and i'm curious about many mysteries and characters (Teach, the Gorosei, Sanji himself,...).
I can't stop reading because he has been unable to draw a strawhat fight or a storyline that makes sense for years.
After Impel Down only Zou was worth reading.
Dressrosa was dragged too much and the division of the crew didn't pay off, FMI was interesting just because of the PG and Poseidon, PH (and Dressrosa of course) was too focused on Law, WCI had the worst ending ever written and Wano the worst beginning-if you can still define 70 chapters a beginning
 
dirtyLarry

dirtyLarry

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Nidai_Kitetsu said:
I understand the flaws of One Piece and Oda. But why are you guys acting like Togashi is a perfect mangaka? Go to any HxH forums (if they exist) and see how miserable their fans are. I remember the HxH fans of Narutoforums started to comment on One Piece (typically they came to vent their frustrations) because there was no HxH chapters, lol.

To Oda's credit, he at least publish content regularly, while lazy fuck Togashi takes 2-3 years of break to come up with a good storyline. That doesn't always work though, as the current arc of HxH seems as bad as Dressrosa tbh, a huge number of characters with no real purpose.

Dont get me started on HxH drawing :suresure: In many occasions, Togashi draws a small panel and writes an essay as if it's a novel, not a manga. Its almost like a punishment to read those chapters. I havent read Chimera ant arc weekly, Thank God, I have heard from HxH fans they had to endure such abominations as art during the weekly release which were later improved in the main volume:





We should be thankful that Oda is publishing One Piece quite regularly compared to HxH.
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Well, it fully depends on what you value more. I get why some don't want to read HxH because of Togashi's lazy drawings.

The artstyle in HxH truly was ... horrible at times. :josad:

The plot itself is untouchable though. A masterpiece.

I for one value a coherent story higher than some shaky art style, especially since the latter can easily be upgraded in the actual volume and in a very well done anime, which was phenomenal in HxH's case.
 
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Homelander

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Togashi actually botched Yu Yu hakusho ending ! He even admitted that he prefers playing dragon quest over the manga timeline .

Few positive points about the man :
-> He is notorious for not hiring assistants in his work .
-> He is pretty good story writer . I am big fan of Yu Yu hakusho many of his work built the seed work for people and inspired future mangas .
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Nidai_Kitetsu said:
I understand the flaws of One Piece and Oda. But why are you guys acting like Togashi is a perfect mangaka? Go to any HxH forums (if they exist) and see how miserable their fans are. I remember the HxH fans of Narutoforums started to comment on One Piece (typically they came to vent their frustrations) because there was no HxH chapters, lol.

To Oda's credit, he at least publish content regularly, while lazy fuck Togashi takes 2-3 years of break to come up with a good storyline. That doesn't always work though, as the current arc of HxH seems as bad as Dressrosa tbh, a huge number of characters with no real purpose.

Dont get me started on HxH drawing :suresure: In many occasions, Togashi draws a small panel and writes an essay as if it's a novel, not a manga. Its almost like a punishment to read those chapters. I havent read Chimera ant arc weekly, Thank God, I have heard from HxH fans they had to endure such abominations as art during the weekly release which were later improved in the main volume:



We should be thankful that Oda is publishing One Piece quite regularly compared to HxH.
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I heard he has long history of back pain and officially a part time mangaka these days . I doubt he will finish HxH with his illness !
 
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