One Piece Manga Spoilers - Chapter 957

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Luffys goal is to be pirate king so how could shanks be his goal you bozo shanks is just one of the yonko 4 pirate captains that luffy is going to have to get the better of
Because Shanks is his idol, the reason he wanted to become a pirate, and the subject of a promise that he wants to surpass.
huh
no sir
pirate king = roger
shanks not being the pirate king has alot of relevance since luffy screams this at every single intro he ever gets the same way zoro tells pica he will be the best swordsman in the world.
wss = mihawk
In fact garp refers to luffy as still a fledgling after wci , kaido doesnt see much either while shanks believes they might need to meet very soon. he's a lot closer to shanks now than he is to his ultimate goal.
I never said that Roger wasn’t the Pirate King. I said that Luffy is only compared to Roger by others, never by himself. He doesn’t mention Roger. He wants the freedom, not to surpass the person.

Shanks not being Pirate King has zero relevance because Shanks doesn’t want to be the Pirate King.

Lol how are you trying to use Shanks’ statement of them meeting very soon as an indicator of Shanks’ strength? It has nothing to do with Shanks’ strength, it just shows that he believes in Luffy and expects him to be ok. If you were trying to make it an indicator of Shanks’ strength in the way you did, then it would show that Shanks is stronger than Kaido and Big Mom because he thinks he’s going to be fine against them. But it wasn’t an indicator of his strength at all, just his belief in Luffy and acknowledgement that Luffy is growing.
 
Because Shanks is his idol, the reason he wanted to become a pirate, and the subject of a promise that he wants to surpass.

I never said that Roger wasn’t the Pirate King. I said that Luffy is only compared to Roger by others, never by himself. He doesn’t mention Roger. He wants the freedom, not to surpass the person.

Shanks not being Pirate King has zero relevance because Shanks doesn’t want to be the Pirate King.

Lol how are you trying to use Shanks’ statement of them meeting very soon as an indicator of Shanks’ strength? It has nothing to do with Shanks’ strength, it just shows that he believes in Luffy and expects him to be ok. If you were trying to make it an indicator of Shanks’ strength in the way you did, then it would show that Shanks is stronger than Kaido and Big Mom because he thinks he’s going to be fine against them. But it wasn’t an indicator of his strength at all, just his belief in Luffy and acknowledgement that Luffy is growing.
Stop your bs Shanks is not Luffys enemy or endgame what he is though is a swordsman that’s a rival to Mihawk and weaker so zoro will surpass him
 
Because Shanks is his idol, the reason he wanted to become a pirate, and the subject of a promise that he wants to surpass.

I never said that Roger wasn’t the Pirate King. I said that Luffy is only compared to Roger by others, never by himself. He doesn’t mention Roger. He wants the freedom, not to surpass the person.

Shanks not being Pirate King has zero relevance because Shanks doesn’t want to be the Pirate King.

Lol how are you trying to use Shanks’ statement of them meeting very soon as an indicator of Shanks’ strength? It has nothing to do with Shanks’ strength, it just shows that he believes in Luffy and expects him to be ok. If you were trying to make it an indicator of Shanks’ strength in the way you did, then it would show that Shanks is stronger than Kaido and Big Mom because he thinks he’s going to be fine against them. But it wasn’t an indicator of his strength at all, just his belief in Luffy and acknowledgement that Luffy is growing.
we are going to have to agree to disagree here if you are equating shanks to luffy
and mihawk to zoro's goal as an argument for why shanks is stronger.
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Nah im just trolling but honestly with all the Hype Ryuma got etc, I wouldn't be surprised if he was a bit above Mihawk
Like I said, it's a 50/50

There is nothing to prove which one is right.

It's exactly like comparing Luffy when he becomes pirate king to Roger who was a pirate king
Who is stronger?
PK Luffy? or PK Roger?
Both are PK but from different era
So the only way to judge is for us to know is by one of those choices:

1- Luffy fights Roger (will not happen)
2- Oda shows us the extent of power for both (most likely choice for Oda to follow)

In the same manner, Ryuuma was WSS at his era, and Mihawk is currently WSS
So, we cannot possibly know until we see both of them going all out.

Also, ANYONE would try to suggest that in Ryuuma's time there was no TOP Tier people. I will say drop this series cause you do not understand how this shit works. In every era, there are their own strong people.

In this era, Yonko exist, before it, Roger's era, before it, Rocks took control, and you can continue on until you reach Joy Boy, Imu-sama (who probably has been sitting on the throne ever since void century lol

Ryuuma had his foes who were Top Tiers for sure!

Also, it was stated by Gyokimaru that the WG were stopped by Ryuuma when they tried to take on Wano. It's why even up until now, the WG fears the Samurai of Wano. It's all because of the legend of Ryuuma that put fear into the hearts of the WG!

Afterall, WG were after the city of gold which was in Wano as stated!
So Ryuuma deserves his credit for sure.
And only way to determine who is better between Prime Ryuuma and Mihawk is by seeing it with our own eyes
 

Cyrus the Cactus

Mihawk Reigns Supreme
But Marco has a special standing. He was the Right hand men of Whitebeard. After his death Marco took over, it doesn't make sense that someone on the crew is stronger but Marco gets to keep his standing
To be fair to both, Oden was poached by Roger and eventually went to Raftel and then went to Wano. Even if he was weaker than Marco 25 years ago it doesn't really mean much.


Timeout thinking about it why the hell would mihawk even become a shichibukai? If dudes so strong and bored wouldn't joining them accomplish the opposite of what he wants that being a challenge.

Like obviously by himself if 1-2 top tiers are sent for him hes fucked but at the same time hed have way more freedom and challenges on his own. Like how kaido lots of the time does his own shit lots of the time.

Becoming shichibukai just makes his life easier and simpler

Mihawk joined the shichibukai as a secret red haired pirate
Mihawk got disillusioned after Shanks lost his arm and didn't get that fire back until he met Zoro :kayneshrug:
 
VC are trash. When will people learn to stop using them?

They say that Oven and Daifuku only have 300M bounty
They say that both Jozu and Akainu have the best AP
They say that Jack and Neko don’t have Haki
They say that Shanks has the highest Yonko bounty
They say that Shanks was a Yonko 13 years ago
They say that Jozu isn’t a core WBP
 
To be Pirate King and find the One Piece.
Does that sound like "surpassing Shanks as his end goal of everything"????
now here is the problem ...

Luffy goal is not being Pirate King

Luffy want to be freest man on seas (said himself)

and the only reason this title have any value to Luffy is cause




for Luffy himself the end goal is to be freest man
 
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