Palestine/Israel Conflict

[BleakAsh]

the Israelian people don’t want a 1 state solution, and neither does the Palestinians.

u fr mate

 

[Roo]

I'm not making you believe anything...

Zionism is a radical notion of a state even at the cost of innocent lives... (one of many ways you could define it arguable)

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thats why it gets bombarded.

Because it’s enemies are there? Do you understand what “want” means in this context?

 

[BleakAsh]

The fact that the whole Arab world used Palestinian struggle to push for control of the area is why Palestine is the way it is nowadays.

you can argue that it has been the case.. but doesn't negate the primary perpetrators..


besides the reason they struggle is coz Zionism exists true that

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Because it’s enemies are there? Do you understand what “want” means in this context?

how is Palestine an enemy... when its under a siege by israili forces... and they can barely fight back...

so now the Conquerers of land who have got no shit to do with jews are enemies...


tf

 

[Roo]

you can argue that it has been the case.. but doesn't negate the primary perpetrators..


besides the reason they struggle is coz Zionism exists true that

Except I can easily argue that the Arab/Israeli wars are the true reason why. The Palestinians had their own state and the surrounding Arab countries used it as proxy to attack Israel

 

[BleakAsh]

Except I can easily argue that the Arab/Israeli wars are the true reason why. The Palestinians had their own state and the surrounding Arab countries used it as proxy to attack Israel

nvm the Arab countries.. they are honestly irrelevant.. talk about Palestine. before and after zionists took over

 

[Roo]

how is Palestine an enemy... when its under a siege by israili forces... and they can barely fight back...

so now the Conquerers of land who have got no shit to do with jews are enemies...


tf

Are you just being willfully ignorant? Hamas has being at constant conflict with Israel and have declared the total erasure of the state multiple times. It is in their decrees

I can not have a conversation with someone who clearly is arguing in bad faith

 

[BleakAsh]

so basically.. arabs neglected their duties towards Palestinians hence it provided the right excuse for devastating Palestine and persecute its people

 

[Roo]

nvm the Arab countries.. they are honestly irrelevant.. talk about Palestine. before and after zionists took over

You mean the British mandate that was promised to the Arabs? I have to obviously include the Arab countries because most Palestinians at that time identified as Arab

 

[BleakAsh]

Are you just being willfully ignorant? Hamas has being at constant conflict with Israel and have declared the total erasure of the state multiple times. It is in their decrees

I can not have a conversation with someone who clearly is arguing in bad faith

hamas didn't exist before Israel took over... not that unsophisticated jargon again

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You mean the British mandate that was promised to the Arabs? I have to obviously include the Arab countries because most Palestinians at that time identified as Arab

hence Israel should take over and devastate Palestine and persecute its citizens

 

[Zara]

because history dictates the future. It is why it’s such an important topic. Also to clarify why Zionism
doesn’t mean genocide unlike BleakAsh wants to make you believe in




I don’t know if the Israelis are fine under with a two state solution. Their actions clearly point to the annexing the West Bank at one point but they clearly want nothing to do with Gaza

and no, the Israelian people don’t want a 1 state solution, and neither does the Palestinians. This line of thinking is almost American like. Sometimes ethnic groups do want to be separated from another another

Okay, but aren’t you being selective with your history though? I recall both Israel and the United States voting against the latest UN resolution to create a two state solution in 2013.

What’s your hypothetical solution to the conflict out of curiosity?

 

[Roo]

hamas didn't exist before Israel took over... not that unsophisticated jargon again

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hence Israel should take over and devastate Palestine and persecute its citizens

No, before Hamas you had Jordan, Egypt, Syria and Saudi Arabia all refusing to split the land and commit genocide against Israel

 

[BleakAsh]

I'm gonna go now.. i have heard alot from you trying to defend israel's demonization of Palestinians and their justification for it which is basically.. nonsensical and morally bamboozling honestly

 

[Roo]

Okay, but aren’t you being selective with your history though? I recall both Israel and the United States voting against the latest UN resolution to create a two state solution in 2013.

What’s your hypothetical solution to the conflict out of curiosity?

Because we were clearly talking about the concept of Zionism. When Zionism became a reality the Jews were totally fine with a 2 state solution

my solution? Forcefully remove all settlements from the West Bank and stop control of Gaza. Give the Palestinians their state

 

[BleakAsh]

No, before Hamas you had Jordan, Egypt, Syria and Saudi Arabia all refusing to split the land and commit genocide against Israel

but hammas didn't exist.. so Palestine wasn't even an enemy..

i mean imagine breaking into a house and not being held accountable at gun point lmfao

 

[Roo]

but hammas didn't exist.. so Palestine wasn't even an enemy..

i mean imagine breaking into a house and not being held accountable at gun point lmfao

You need a history lesson. Do you know who controlled Gaza and the West Bank back when the first Arab war started?

 

[BleakAsh]

plus this goes to my initial argument that Isreal has no justification for devastating Palestine and endangering it people just so thier own state can exist... no. moral justification for that sorry.. if you can then go ahead.. @Finalbeta is a good at quantum mechanics i bet he can tend to your consistency

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You need a history lesson. Do you know who controlled Gaza and the West Bank back when the first Arab war started?

idk idc.. but Israel is a country built on blood shed and persecution.. and not peace.. sooooo...


i can do lil about dat

 

[Roo]

plus this goes to my initial argument that Isreal has no justification for devastating Palestine and endangering it people just so thier own state can exist... no. moral justification for that sorry.. if you can then go ahead.. @Finalbeta is a good at quantum mechanics i bet he can tend to your consistency

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idk idc.. but Israel is a country built on blood shed and persecution.. and not peace.. sooooo...


i can do lil about dat

Lmao you’re a clown. Keep being ignorant

 

[BleakAsh]

You need a history lesson. Do you know who controlled Gaza and the West Bank back when the first Arab war started?

Honestly you don't need a history less to see the BS Israel l has been doing around...

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Lmao you’re a clown. Keep being ignorant

I'm atleast consistent :)

 

[Roo]

Honestly you don't need a history less to see the BS Israel l has been doing around...

You don’t want to learn. It’s as simple as that

clown shit

 

[Weeman]

Anti Zionism is against the very idea of a Jewish state. I don’t see how you can be anti zionist and not be anti Semitic when the idea of Zionism is for the Jews

this idea that Jews are not native to the land is asinine. The Jewish culture is ingrained in that land, to deny that is to be absolutely ignorant and none of us have the right to dictate when it’s been “too long” for them to come back.

im not a Jew but is kind of ridiculous how these buzzwords get thrown around when it comes to the Jews and no one bats an eye. This is a conflict/war, it’s more complicated than “Israel bad”

Having a state be based entirely on a religion is a bad idea period, specially when the making of that state involved invading the land of much more vulnerable people.

I can be against the idea of zionism without rejecting jews and their religion. There are jews both in and outside Israel against zionism. The creation of Israel was essentially a modern colonization, all because some land deemed holy is there.

I have no intention of insulting anyone's religion, but the idea of so much death and conflict arising for the control of a land arbitrarily considered "Holy" is a modern day travesty.
Jerusalem is just a city, religion can be practiced strongly anywhere but they just HAD to be in that specific place? Is god really that picky in their eyes? Does it justify all the atrocities being commited?