Palestine/Israel Conflict

[Roo]

you are basically making the argument my siblings make for that sweet spot on the dining.... "this is my chair coz i sit here more than you" and guess what i say "there ain't your name written on it"..

Childish.

and the analogy literally went over your head and you are dealing with irrelevant aspects of my argument.. like me singularly taking over half of asia and so on.. rather than focusing on the notion I'm trying to potray.. being if I starts conquering my ancestors lands coz Once upon a time we Lived there not being considerate to the people liviing there..you'd call me a lunatic and a sadist.. (not you senpai)

Ironically you’re the one who doesn’t get it. Again, where does the name Jew come from?

and just coz you belong to a tribe or a religion doesnt mean you start demanding your own state and doesn't Mean you'll get one...tale a look at Kurds.. they live in a region of Syria.. that does not mean they should get a state....

Except the Kurds literally do want to be their own state, Kurdistan..

also this was the argument for Palestine in the first place. It’s ironic you’re arguing this

religion fanatical group are not ethnic...... bruh... i mean what the point when they achieve the same goal by beigg each other's parallels.

They’re not. Make an argument instead of saying “they’re because I said so”

what about the Palestinian culture... are just going to ignore that they exist?.. i mean idk what are you even arguing at this point i just proved that anti-zionism is not anti-semitism.. plus with your logic... i bet some Palestinian are native there as well and are Muslims... yet they get terrorize and forcefully evicted coz..Israel wants to contradict its principles and call itself and ethnic jewish state.. so you're just falsely justifying the genocide that takes place often in Palestine

find me post where I said I was totally fine with a genocide? You’re making up your own arguments because you know they’re shit. You also never proved anti Zionism isn’t anti Semitism. Just because one sect of Jews is totally fine with there not being an Israel. If I start burning mosques and some Sunnis are totally fine by that am I still not being an Islamaphobe?

In fact, I’d argue the first huge offender of genocide were the Arab states when they declared war on Israel in 1948.

I am for a Palestinian state, you’re against an Israel one. You tell me who’s the most sadistic individual

 

[BleakAsh]

Childish.


Ironically you’re the one who doesn’t get it. Again, where does the name Jew come from?

ok you you don't get a single thing i said..so I'll diverge without offense

 

[Roo]

ok you you don't get a single thing i said..so I'll diverge without offense

There is nothing to get. You’re using false equivalencies

Jews are literally from judea, its what they’re named after

 

[BleakAsh]

There is nothing to get. You’re using false equivalencies

Jews are literally from judea, its what they’re named after

BRUH

 

[Roo]

>says Kurds live in a huge part of Syria and they don’t get a state
>doesn’t realize Kurds are actually using the civil war to push independence

I don’t want to sound condescending, but you need to read more before you go speak in topics you’re clearly not well versed on. It shows

 

[BleakAsh]

doesn’t realize Kurds are actually using the civil war to push independence

ikk what i said...i even said there is no justification to topple a state massacre thousands over just getting your land back..

this is a psychologically baffling mentality of... state > citizen... its materialistic and absurd

you cannot justify that sorry..

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a land doesn't form a culture.. people do...

Kurds practice their culture day in and day out... so culture isn't negated in anyway.. so there is no reason to massacre and fight pointless wars

 

[Roo]

ikk what i said...i even said there is no justification to topple a state massacre thousands over just getting your land back..

this is a psychologically baffling mentality of... state > citizen... its materialistic and absurd

you cannot justify that sorry..

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a land doesn't form a culture.. people do...

Kurds practice their culture day in and day out... so culture isn't negated in anyway.. so there is no reason to massacre and fight pointless wars

Except the same arguments could be said for Palestinians. They should just be fine with living in some land amongst each other and not have any sovereignty

 

[BleakAsh]

hence they don't really need a country to practice it... a country should only be formed when a certain racial or ethic minority is endangered... just like pakistan came into existence..

 

[Zara]

there's one major difference between the two, israel is a democracy.

🤡

 

[BleakAsh]

Except the same arguments could be said for Palestinians. They should just be fine with living in some land amongst each other and not have any sovereignty

True but that isn't possible with an adverse zionist ideology.. that is anti-Islamic and anti-arabic.. hence the ideal solution is the 2 state solution not a combined state since we know the disproportionate power balance in that region where israel is a top dog a military and political might and Palestinians are abused and segregated against

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btw... hence anti-zionism isn't anti-semitism...

 

[Roo]

True but that isn't possible with an adverse zionist ideology.. that is anti-Islamic and anti-arabic.. hence the ideal solution is the 2 state solution not a combined state since we know the disproportionate power balance in that region where israel is a top dog a military and political might and Palestinians are abused and segregated against

Israel was totally fine with a two state solution until it got bit in the ass. I can see why they nowadays gave up on the idea of a two state solution.

 

[BleakAsh]

Israel was totally fine with a two state solution until it got bit in the ass. I can see why they nowadays gave up on the idea of a two state solution.

bro the forced eviction.. and illegal settlements.. and warcrimes...shouldn't be justifies at all.. lets not justify them no matter what the impetus

 

[Roo]

hence they don't really need a country to practice it... a country should only be formed when a certain racial or ethic minority is endangered... just like pakistan came into existence..

The Jews have always been persecuted and endangered. This is why Zionism exist

 

[BleakAsh]

The Jews have always been persecuted and endangered. This is why Zionism exist

so now we persecute and endanger other neighbors.... how is that a good excuse lmao

 

[Roo]

bro the forced eviction.. and illegal settlements.. and warcrimes...shouldn't be justifies at all.. lets not justify them no matter what the impetus

I am not justifying anything. It’s called being rational.

so now we persecute and endanger other neighbors.... how is that a good excuse lmao

except that has nothing to do with Zionism. Again the Jews were totally fine with a 2 state solution at first

 

[Zara]

except that has nothing to do with Zionism. Again the Jews were totally fine with a 2 state solution at first

Why is this relevant? What matters is what they are fine with in 2021.

Is the Israeli government fine with a two state solution in 2021? Is the Israeli government fine with a one state solution where both Israelis and Palestinians are treated as equals?

Answer both questions honestly.

 

[BleakAsh]

I am not justifying anything. It’s called being rational.

how?... on what basis?

except that has nothing to do with Zionism. Again the Jews were totally fine with a 2 state solution at first

the fact that Zionism exist is why palistine in such a condition.. u know it and i know it ..

don't generalize jews agreeing to 2 State solution coz there are some that don't..

plus seeing is believing ig.... the forced eviction and demolition proves to be counter productive when you consider them agreeing for the notion of 2 states


i bet most don't want 2 state solution as well *

 

[Roo]

Why is this relevant? What matters is what they are fine with in 2021.

because history dictates the future. It is why it’s such an important topic. Also to clarify why Zionism
doesn’t mean genocide unlike BleakAsh wants to make you believe in

Is the Israeli government fine with a two state solution in 2021? Is the Israeli government fine with a one state solution where both Israelis and Palestinians are treated as equals?

Answer both questions honestly.

I don’t know if the Israelis are fine under with a two state solution. Their actions clearly point to the annexing the West Bank at one point but they clearly want nothing to do with Gaza

and no, the Israelian people don’t want a 1 state solution, and neither does the Palestinians. This line of thinking is almost American like. Sometimes ethnic groups do want to be separated from another another

 

[BleakAsh]

Also to clarify why Zionism
doesn’t mean genocide unlike BleakAsh wants to make you believe in

I'm not making you believe anything...

Zionism is a radical notion of a state even at the cost of innocent lives... (one of many ways you could define it arguable)

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clearly want nothing to do with Gaza

thats why it gets bombarded.

 

[Roo]

how?... on what basis?


the fact that Zionism exist is why palistine in such a condition.. u know it and i know it ..

don't generalize jews agreeing to 2 State solution coz there are some that don't..

plus seeing is believing ig.... the forced eviction and demolition proves to be counter productive when you consider them agreeing for the notion of 2 states


i bet most don't want 2 state solution as well *

No it isn’t. The fact that the whole Arab world used Palestinian struggle to push for control of the area is why Palestine is the way it is nowadays. Again, Israel was fine with a 2 state solution until the Arab world declared war on them several times. That is being rational, understanding why Israel is the way it is. I am not justifying shit, I am seeking to understand one side instead of demonizing it