Speculations Pound is still dead

#62
@Sadistic Senpai I think last chance Pedro will appear in Wano, is with Jinbe's arrival. Jinbe was from WCI, so it makes most sense that if Pedro ever comes back, he will appear together with a character that's also coming from WCI. But that didn't happen, Jinbe came alone, so...


"Why not with Nekomamushi? Pedro is Neko's man not Jinbe"
Because Neko doesn't arrive from WCI. Last time he was shown, he was in Marco's island.
So for Pedro to appear with Nekomamushi, the scenario more or less has to be:
1. Pedro came from WCI along with Jinbe
2. Somehow they meet Team Neko on the way
3. Pedro grouped himself with team Neko, while Jinbe that can move faster in sea, reach Wano earlier than Team Neko.

But this doesn't make many sense because:
1. Until now Jinbe never mentioned about Team Neko that they met on the way. If he wants to talk about it, best time is right now, when the full war hasn't started yet.
2. It's weird anyway that Jinbe travels alone and leaving Team Neko behind. Why not coming together?
Caesar and Pedro make a deal with each other(he was looking at the SHs from a distance after they separated). He saves him and brings him to Wano. They meet Neko's team during their return or maybe just outside Wano. Problem solved
 
#63
The fact is that One piece's audiance target is young teens and that was true 15 years ago as it is now. Oda knows this trick works, he did it plenty in the past and it always payed off, imo the only red line he has not to cross is to not do this with important characters. Young teens most likely don't care or even like to be sad but then rehave these characters alive while old timers even if a bit pissed, and just some of them, will actually never leave the manga because of nostalgia.

I can accept this fake tension about secondary characters because I pretty much don't care about them and imo this stays true for a lot of readers but when he did the chapter 900 fake ship destruction that was irritating because he joked with the main cast and not with some secondary character we will never have in the story again for real.
Should I actually show you the demographic survey of OP readers? That one is from 2011 and the fandom has only even gotten older (!) since.

https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/61rzo6
Fans under 18 are a clear minority (only 12%). Vast majority of fans are actually 20+ nowadays.

That has to go into Oda's head. No young teens are starting OP these days. Those who read all grew up with it.
Oda literally targets an audience, that just isn't there anymore.

That's why the criticism gets louder and louder each year btw.
 
#66
BUUUUT he's alive LOL

Actually, him being alive is NOT what saddens me!

It's the fact that "We are STILL in Capone Gang cover story" that makes me more sad!

That means.... Tontatta found Pound... they will treat him... take him to Dressrosa..... and then... Oda will make Pound meet both of his daughters Lola and Chiffon

And basically... for Oda to do that... he will MOST LIKELY spend 10 more chapters on this idiotic cover story which will NEVER END

Pound being alive is just another one of those whims of Oda not letting anyone die

What really pains me is that WE HAVE TO SPEND MORE TIME on this shitty boring cover story!
26 cover chapters (and counting) for this stuff. Unbelievable. :josad:
 
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#67
BUUUUT he's alive LOL

Actually, him being alive is NOT what saddens me!

It's the fact that "We are STILL in Capone Gang cover story" that makes me more sad!

That means.... Tontatta found Pound... they will treat him... take him to Dressrosa..... and then... Oda will make Pound meet both of his daughters Lola and Chiffon

And basically... for Oda to do that... he will MOST LIKELY spend 10 more chapters on this idiotic cover story which will NEVER END

Pound being alive is just another one of those whims of Oda not letting anyone die

What really pains me is that WE HAVE TO SPEND MORE TIME on this shitty boring cover story!
Hits me hard this cover story is damn awful .
 
#68
Should I actually show you the demographic survey of OP readers? That one is from 2011 and the fandom has only even gotten older (!) since.

https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/61rzo6
Fans under 18 are a clear minority (only 12%). Vast majority of fans are actually 20+ nowadays.

That has to go into Oda's head. No young teens are starting OP these days. Those who read all grew up with it.
Oda literally targets an audience, that just isn't there anymore.

That's why the criticism gets louder and louder each year btw.
Interesting, I supposed the average audiance was way younger.

Anyway we can even look at this from a different perspective despite the age. Let's take this forum as a representative sample of the OP community. There is a little minority who is heavily pissed by this (in this forum I can name you and maybe few others so critic towards this), probably a slightly bigger percentage who is annoyed by this (me for example, I find this annoying but I also know Oda will keep doing this, even if it was irritating when he did something similair but with the main crew in chapter 900) and a large majority who simply doesn't care so much or doesn't care at all and then maybe we have even people who enjoy the fact that Oda doesn't kill almost anybody and is fine with this fake tension.

In the end just look at the length of this thread, this is the level of how much the community cares about these issues while if you start a power level thread you will reach hundred of pages in a small time. Sanji's character development was a big issue in (some) fans eyes just because he didn't get a fight and didn't look cool.

At this point we know Oda and we know he will keep doing this so we can't expect he will change and we have to look at One piece for what it is and accpet its strength and weaknesses. If you want something more real like you said there is always HxH, I like it a lot too, even if it is a shame Togashi doesn't deliver anymore, it is almost a year or maybe more we have not a new chapter.
 
#69
@Sadistic Senpai I think last chance Pedro will appear in Wano, is with Jinbe's arrival. Jinbe was from WCI, so it makes most sense that if Pedro ever comes back, he will appear together with a character that's also coming from WCI. But that didn't happen, Jinbe came alone, so...


"Why not with Nekomamushi? Pedro is Neko's man not Jinbe"
Because Neko doesn't arrive from WCI. Last time he was shown, he was in Marco's island.
So for Pedro to appear with Nekomamushi, the scenario more or less has to be:
1. Pedro came from WCI along with Jinbe
2. Somehow they meet Team Neko on the way
3. Pedro grouped himself with team Neko, while Jinbe that can move faster in sea, reach Wano earlier than Team Neko.

But this doesn't make many sense because:
1. Until now Jinbe never mentioned about Team Neko that they met on the way. If he wants to talk about it, best time is right now, when the full war hasn't started yet.
2. It's weird anyway that Jinbe travels alone and leaving Team Neko behind. Why not coming together?
Or he comes by himself... by escaping through one of the small tart ships... just like Pound
 
#70
Chill

1. "Showing all of his arsenal before his death"
You have a point but that's not 100% necessary.
Iirc:
- Both Whitebeard and Ace didn't show awakening before their death in Marineford arc. Ace also never used CoC in present time iirc, only showed it once in ASL flashback.

"But but their awakening is a mystery and will be revealed by the next user: Sabo and Blackbeard!!"
Well Sulong real hype can also be revealed later by Dukes who are both above Pedro.

2. Bepo / Zepo / Pedro moment
For NOW, all 3 of them are just side characters. Oda already levellled down Straw hats that are main characters, making them less likeable than their pre TS era.
So it's too optimistic to think some side characters will get such closure justice. I meant, even Sanji who is main character, and his plot with the Vinsmokes wasn't fully finished yet and WCI is already over.

3. OP is about "inherited will".


P.s.
If Pedro ever comes back alive and joins the crew, that day will surely be 1 of my HAPPIEST MOMENT in entire life. Bye bye rabbit, now we get a badass handsome big jaguar.
But let's not keep your expectation too high.
That's your opinion....
 
#71
You cant really blame the reader. Oda set it up as Pound getting decapitated. Theres literally no reasonable explanation to show how a fodder like Pound could survive a flaming sword attack to the neck. The only thing left to think is....Pound is dead. Which is bad writing in itself. Killing him before meeting his daughter and grandchild....is pretty stupid.

If Pound died, it wouldve been bad writing. But the fact that hes alive kills the realism within this show. Like if your gonna fake kill someone off panel. Then atleast show some plausible way that they might survive. Its horrendous.
Killing Pound before he gets to meet his daughters isn't stupid nor bad writing. What defines the quality of a writing is the execution of the idea, not the idea itself, and you have many great works that address or even revolve around the emotions of a never-to-happen reunion. Pound's bittersweet resolution was done perfectly in both concept and execution, and that's how it should have been stayed.
 
#72
Anybody who actually thought that Pound had been killed off before meeting any of his family needs their heads checked.

Is it good writing that Oda continually puts characters in seemingly fatal positions only to survive? No, of course not. Is it something he's done time and time and time again, since Alabasta? Yes. And I'm not talking about Pell here, I'm talking about Igaram.

Pound was never shown to have died and we never even saw Oven go through with hitting him. One Piece has been going on a long time people, if it's the present day and there's no corpse, expect the character to come back.
OH, want, you tought that Pound was alive? Lmao, sincerely doubt it.
 
#73
Turns out, the more time passes, the more Oda ruins WCI.
Crazy to think that an arc could be so bad, that it continues to be worse even after it ends.
Jesus christ that's so true, and to be honest I liked a little bit of it.

Start was shit, the tea party was fine, Katakuri was fine BUT there's so many things badly done about that fight. But yeah, hype and all, good, and it had some great ideas. The rest was really bad, not much world info too or even endgame info and stuff.. I only liked reading it by week because of the hype each chapter put to build up something so great to end in like 5 chapters or wtv and then 20 chapters of running away and pointless plot points.

Oh yeah, and Sanji disappointment too.. I wanted so badly for Sanji to have had a great fight in WVI and I'm pretty sure I could bet a fucking pay check on that before it started.
 

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#74
Of course my boy Pound is alive. The will of P is too StronK fam:finally::finally:First is Pell, Pagaya and then Pound. Next up we gonna have Pekoms (well I don't think he is dead) and then Pedro as well:sanmoji:Hope Vergo and Monet return also:fransuper:
 
#80
In the end just look at the length of this thread, this is the level of how much the community cares about these issues while if you start a power level thread you will reach hundred of pages in a small time. Sanji's character development was a big issue in (some) fans eyes just because he didn't get a fight and didn't look cool.
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bing fucking go
its self evident, nobody cares about this
 
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