Was my reaction to Reborn horrible? No Since he stated why did he sus me before voting me but in your case you Didn't state reason to sus me and then voted me put of the blue.
I see I still have 5 votes lol. Like I said, a couple of scums must be in that lineup. Btw, I feel like they are not gonna appear anytime soon just to unvote. So lemme say this, keep an eye on my voters and look into the timing of their so called suspicion on me.
Was my reaction to Reborn horrible? No Since he stated why did he sus me before voting me but in your case you Didn't state reason to sus me and then voted me put of the blue.
I am terribly sorry. A storm knocked out the power here yesterday and I won't be active today because I need to go to the doctor's office since I got a fucking eye infection and can't see clearly with my right eye.
It stands out to me. Whether or not that and other material accumulates and has me sus Zara depends. I don’t sus him yet but I find that interesting. It could be nothing or it could be something. That’s all.
That's a weak case to bring upon Zara by TAC.
TAC followed up my negative point on Zara for being too concerned about pushing the game forward by deducting -2 points from her for being "so-call dumb about the setup". We call that lowkey sheeping.
@Kiwipom this was your case? I don't think him taking others opinion necessarily a bad thing. I have done worse things while scum hunting, i dont think about it this much. I usually act random, on these things. And Gambit actually started the Game with this, before it was only fluff.
Other than Meta, i find this case weak. And he's been honest about Meta when he could have easily lied it, which suggests to me he more likely is townie.
About Gambit, in my first mafia game which is almost a year ago, Gambit was scum and I was a townie. And he built a really long case on me D1 that was opportunistic, and well, I've never played with town Gambit but I'm just looking at the way he is building his case on TAC, it's kinda reminding me of back then.
First, I feel like he started off by going after Poison and TAC.
He asks Poison if her off-handed comment about Ryuk was to try and convince town later:
He also accused her of parroting when she explained what she thought about the game set up.
So you'd think that he doesn't want to hear anyone else's ideas about game set ups or something but then he asks Mel later what she thinks about the set up.....
So that felt a bit weird to me. Moreover, he also went after TAC by saying that he felt like he was pushing a weak case on Zara. I think that's a valid opinion, but what I didn't really like was that he asked what other people thought about the exchange.
The posts that followed that question immediately suggested that people sussed TAC more than Zara.
And immediately afterwards, Gambit casts a vote on TAC.
This is the part that feels unnatural to me. It feels like he asked the question to others to see what other people's opinions are and to test the waters to know what reactions will get once he casts the lynch vote. The reason being, none of those posts raised a point about why Zara is more town than TAC or why they think TAC is more scummy, yet that was enough to be the final straw for Gambit to cast his lynch vote. That's why to me, that question seems more like he is trying to see if town would find him suspicious for voting TAC.
And yes, Mel pointed this out:
So Gambit (who I think was originally planning to leave the vote on TAC and not explain further), comes back with a longer post about why he thinks TAC is scum.
I feel like the order which this case was built doesn't sit very well with me. I remember back in ToS game, Drago who was mafia did something like this too, cast vote then come back later to follow up with a long post that breaks it down just to have his bases covered and make the case look legit.
And then even later Gambit going after TAC just feels more like tunnelling and nitpicking. I'm not gonna quote because this is turning into a wallie that everyone will scroll past but I don't really like Gambit's read progression. It didn't feel natural to me. It feels more like scum looking for a target than town scum hunting.
You have assumed few things from linear perspective. If you had not talked bout it matching previous game meta, I would have sussed you strongly for this.
Bt given your last game, i can understand why your thoughts ran in this way, without considering the possibility he might be scum hunting.
I want to look into this more, she's been leaning townie on her at start bt then been one of the highlight users who sussed Poison for Voting Neutral. And there's more on Melon.
You are actually passive on Drago, Kiwi. If you don't trust him, take his opinion with grain of salt, bt i see you being passive about it. Plus you acted content about Drago Mason claim at once, no questions asked, am i missing something here?
If that's the case, why not claim completely. It would rest my suspicions to rest @Flower .
Plus Fuji n Kiwi can guess your roles, it's only natural Scum can do the same.
If you are already Scum targets with this hint claim, why not claim it. If we believe you competly we can do something about it. Protect you guys.
i can see why Gambit considering Tac sheeping.
Poison was asking her own question to Neutral.
@Kiwipom this was your case? I don't think him taking others opinion necessarily a bad thing. I have done worse things while scum hunting, i dont think about it this much. I usually act random, on these things. And Gambit actually started the Game with this, before it was only fluff.
Other than Meta, i find this case weak. And he's been honest about Meta when he could have easily lied it, which suggests to me he more likely is townie.
You have assumed few things from linear perspective. If you had not talked bout it matching previous game meta, I would have sussed you strongly for this.
Bt given your last game, i can understand why your thoughts ran in this way, without considering the possibility he might be scum hunting.
I want to look into this more, she's been leaning townie on her at start bt then been one of the highlight users who sussed Poison for Voting Neutral. And there's more on Melon.
You are actually passive on Drago, Kiwi. If you don't trust him, take his opinion with grain of salt, bt i see you being passive about it. Plus you acted content about Drago Mason claim at once, no questions asked, am i missing something here?
If that's the case, why not claim completely. It would rest my suspicions to rest @Flower .
Plus Fuji n Kiwi can guess your roles, it's only natural Scum can do the same.
If you are already Scum targets with this hint claim, why not claim it. If we believe you competly we can do something about it. Protect you guys.
i can see why Gambit considering Tac sheeping.
Poison was asking her own question to Neutral.
@Kiwipom this was your case? I don't think him taking others opinion necessarily a bad thing. I have done worse things while scum hunting, i dont think about it this much. I usually act random, on these things. And Gambit actually started the Game with this, before it was only fluff.
Other than Meta, i find this case weak. And he's been honest about Meta when he could have easily lied it, which suggests to me he more likely is townie.
You have assumed few things from linear perspective. If you had not talked bout it matching previous game meta, I would have sussed you strongly for this.
Bt given your last game, i can understand why your thoughts ran in this way, without considering the possibility he might be scum hunting.
I want to look into this more, she's been leaning townie on her at start bt then been one of the highlight users who sussed Poison for Voting Neutral. And there's more on Melon.
You are actually passive on Drago, Kiwi. If you don't trust him, take his opinion with grain of salt, bt i see you being passive about it. Plus you acted content about Drago Mason claim at once, no questions asked, am i missing something here?
If that's the case, why not claim completely. It would rest my suspicions to rest @Flower .
Plus Fuji n Kiwi can guess your roles, it's only natural Scum can do the same.
If you are already Scum targets with this hint claim, why not claim it. If we believe you competly we can do something about it. Protect you guys.
We won't claim anymore. Us confirming each other is enough, as people already said, there is no way we are lying since that would just be dumb. Anymore info about our roles is just free info for scum that we're not willing to provide.
I also want to state that my impression of Poison's vote on you is a little different @NeutralWatcher
This is her first time playing here with a lot of us. If she wanted to use this technique, it wouldn't make sense to have it done at all.
She doesn't know how we react or our level of experience. I don't think she was ever gonna get anything of quality from that vote.
But I missed that she was sussing Nat and Zara from a gut feeling. If she was to randomly put a vote on someone it should have been one of them. That is the only logical reason for putting a random vote like this on a player base that is unknown to you.
This seem reasonable opinion. But this can also be why she stated it outright, it was RVS vote, after admitting she know no meta to make any reads. About going after Neutral instead of em is legit, bt it was also not a serious vote or something.
Will go to sleep tbh. Looking at the list it seems like I can use no meta to make reads.
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That's a RVS vote. It is generally placed on players early on the game with no reasons for seeing their reactions. It is called Random Voting Stage. Although I'm not a fan of RVS myself but I'm trying it out.
I've read a little and started painting a bigger picture
Town:
Yo - reminds me of the Yo from last game, the townie yo
NW - I don't think his play style is different from the naruto game tho I did kill him night 1 last time huhuhu
Kiwi - her claim as miller seemed like a natural progression. She claimed pretty much as soon as she arrived so for the moment I find her town. And she was the first to counter Gambit's logic.
Fuji - He's leaning town but the man admitted TO PLAYING THE SAME IF HE WAS SCUM C'MON. I'll lean him town cause of gut feeling. unvote @Noctis@Rej
Neutral:
Reborn - he's looking town but the argument with nat seems stretch. it's fair for her to ask where you were, many players were asked where they are. Timing is irrelevant too, it was in the middle of the game like everyone else. You don't have a special privilege
Tris - giving good reads, for a new player that looks good but I'll keep her in neutral cause she didn't do it proactively.
Nat - I wanna say she was same as last game but I have a hard time reading her.
TAC - he handled Gambit's pressure well, but he was defending himself wayyy too much imo. I've been told you're a very harsh townie player, I wanna see the fireeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!
Zara - you're only neutral cause I don't wanna get you lynched day 1. JKJK no I have to say you remind me a lot of last game, but I'll need to see more for my rookie eyes. If it came down to a vote tie between Queen and Cobra, who would you vote for?
Ali - need to see more. @Ali who you wanna put your vote on at the moment?
Scummy:
Gambit - I have to say Kiwi's rationale is something I would have never thought... That's actually an interesting technique and I understand why scum would use it. And his incredible meta change too.
Poison - NW brought up the point about voting for Nat/Zara instead of him. That makes a lot of sense too. Plus I feel she has not contributed in the majority of her posts today.
Fake news
I called out Poison for her weird vote and came to a different conclusion than yours. I observed her today and she was more into conversing than actually playing the game. And I didn't see a proper explanation for her vote on you IIRC today.
And then for Gambit, yeah I'm ready to admit Kiwi's reasoning is hella convincing. That's what changed it for me. That and the fact that his prying was losing a lot of momentum, especially that slip(?!) about "the most important role" vs "important role". Nah
Jester cause this is a super role madness and it can exist. Plus the dude changed his vote like 5 times for the most bizarre reasons.
I don't understand what you mean by easy mark? I've been questioning NW all game LOL
I do more than you think I am
He has made a good observation in his last posts and the day is ending but you don't seem consider that. Your last vote appears to be an attempt to split the ties and you've been swaying votes depending on who currently owns the lead. You sure you're not coasting and wahoning? You're aallnoverthenplace too imo
He has made a good observation in his last posts and the day is ending but you don't seem consider that. Your last vote appears to be an attempt to split the ties and you've been swaying votes depending on who currently owns the lead. You sure you're not coasting and wahoning? You're aallnoverthenplace too imo
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