Speculations Ryuma vs Roger/Whitebeard

[Red Admiral]

I can give him high diff defeat
anything more is Zoro wank

 

[ShishioIsBack]

I can give him high diff defeat
anything more is Zoro wank

Not really
Ryuma is at least hyped to be significantly stronger than Oden and comparable to Mihawk so that already makes him Yonko level+

But if he truly delivers on the hype of defeating entire world government and every pirate of his era, that's far greater than Roger's hype.

Honestly with Sun God hype, Luffy being son God, Zoro being sword God, wouldn't even surprise me if Roger turns out to be A LOT weaker than Ryuma.

 

[Sadistic Senpai]

Well
It depends on Oda’s whim
I can see him written as stronger or as weaker

It depends on how Oda wants to display him in future…

 

[ShishioIsBack]

Well
It depends on Oda’s whim
I can see him written as stronger or as weaker

It depends on how Oda wants to display him in future…

My only worry regarding Ryuma is that Ushimaru looks weaker than I thought

But then Zoro looks stronger than even Oden already so idk @Red Admiral

 

[Seraphoenix]

Well in fairness the way Gyukimaru portrayed Ryuma with him defending against both World Government and Pirates and never losing, it is very likely he was strongest man in One Piece at that time just like he was in monsters.

If anything in One Piece he got even greater hype as Ryuma was not known as a God in monsters and his legend in One Piece world is alive even centuries later with both Pirates and Marines staying away from Wano.

Although I think Ryuma ~ Roger in theory Ryuma has greater hype

Centuries later the WG is still hesitant to go to Wano, mostly because of the legend of Ryuma.

Look how quickly WB's orphanage crumbled after he died.

The only people who can rival Ryuma are the very top swordsman. EoS Zoro>=Ryuma>Mihawk>= Shanks

 

[Red Admiral]

My only worry regarding Ryuma is that Ushimaru looks weaker than I thought

But then Zoro looks stronger than even Oden already so idk @Red Admiral

and my worry about Ryuma is his sword ...
a swordsman should be known base on his blade
Mihawk have strongest blade ever
Ryuma have one of 21
that's not a safe bet for him

Mihawk > Ryuma
Ryuma is hyped by people who love him like a god. it's not safe to get lost in his hype

Oda should be a fucking idiot to make a dead man with no clear power level the benchmark of Zoro
have faith in Mihawk

p.s
and I think Zoro will have strongest blade in history
I can explain it later

 

[comrade]

Centuries later the WG is still hesitant to go to Wano, mostly because of the legend of Ryuma.

Look how quickly WB's orphanage crumbled after he died.

It's precisely because it is a legend, that Wano has such reputation. When Whitebeard died however, people had it black on white that he died and posed no further threat, while in Wano's case, their power and forces were more or less a mystery, since it is an isolated country, with them clinging to the centuries ago legend. The legend isn't even precisely tied to the figure Ryuma; people outside of Wano just view it as a powerful country not knowing it was due to the strength of that one man. If they knew Ryuma was the sole reason and died, they would've invaded Wano straight.

Roger was known as a near unstoppable force that conquered the world. And his equal Newgate was known as the WSM, capable of destroying the world. People up to the present day are shaken to the core hearing Roger's blood still lives. And remember how it was said that the WG doesn't want to fuck with an angry Shanks, who walks into the war and ends the war to his terms.

 

[RayanOO]

EoS Zoro>=Ryuma>Mihawk>= Shanks

What happened to you ???

 

[Seraphoenix]

It's precisely because it is a legend, that Wano has such reputation. When Whitebeard died however, people had it black on white that he died and posed no further threat, while in Wano's case, their power and forces were more or less a mystery, since it is an isolated country, with them clinging to the centuries ago legend. The legend isn't even precisely tied to the figure Ryuma; people outside of Wano just view it as a powerful country not knowing it was due to the strength of that one man. If they knew Ryuma was the sole reason and died, they would've invaded Wano straight.

Roger was known as a near unstoppable force that conquered the world. And his equal Newgate was known as the WSM, capable of destroying the world. People up to the present day are shaken to the core hearing Roger's blood still lives. And remember how it was said that the WG doesn't want to fuck with an angry Shanks, who walks into the war and ends the war to his terms.

Good points. Though Sword God is one of the GOAT epithets

What happened to you ???

Boredom. I'm just doing what comrade does and changing views for fun.

 

[Finalbeta]

Centuries later the WG is still hesitant to go to Wano, mostly because of the legend of Ryuma.

Look how quickly WB's orphanage crumbled after he died.

The only people who can rival Ryuma are the very top swordsman. EoS Zoro>=Ryuma>Mihawk>= Shanks

Was this a Freudian slip?

 

[Gambit]

Ryuma woulda been the greatest if he'd lived in a seperate era where joyboy lived.

Let us not be blinded on how he is portrayed. He wasn't on WB and PK level. He was the greatest samurai and that's it.

Let's not take everyone who uses sword as samurai Lolololol. There's a big difference. You wanna tell me fencing is the same as samurai? Culture, discipline, and way of the swords differ from one land to another.

 

[ShishioIsBack]

It's precisely because it is a legend, that Wano has such reputation. When Whitebeard died however, people had it black on white that he died and posed no further threat, while in Wano's case, their power and forces were more or less a mystery, since it is an isolated country, with them clinging to the centuries ago legend. The legend isn't even precisely tied to the figure Ryuma; people outside of Wano just view it as a powerful country not knowing it was due to the strength of that one man. If they knew Ryuma was the sole reason and died, they would've invaded Wano straight.

Roger was known as a near unstoppable force that conquered the world. And his equal Newgate was known as the WSM, capable of destroying the world. People up to the present day are shaken to the core hearing Roger's blood still lives. And remember how it was said that the WG doesn't want to fuck with an angry Shanks, who walks into the war and ends the war to his terms.

Reality is Rocks D Xebec is also a legend, its hidden from the world by World Government the same way Ryuma's legend is, both guys made the World Government shit their pants but Ryuma is the only man who has gone even step further.

World Government has never failed against anything, be it Ohara or Void Century but there is only man they failed against and that's Ryuma, and it is precisely the reason why his legend is still known 5 to 6 centuries later while not a single soul give a fuck about Rocks D Xebec anymore.

There are other legends as well like Oars the continent puller, Sun God Nika, Noland but again it all pales in comparison to Ryuma who is known as a God even centuries later.

His impact on the world is simply greater than Whitebeard hence why is known for much longer. Whitebeard was simply holding on to empty throne, Ryuma literally dominated his entire era with no peers and defeated World Government and pirates alike
@Seraphoenix @Red Admiral

 

[m0nst3Rx]

It's precisely because it is a legend, that Wano has such reputation. When Whitebeard died however, people had it black on white that he died and posed no further threat, while in Wano's case, their power and forces were more or less a mystery, since it is an isolated country, with them clinging to the centuries ago legend. The legend isn't even precisely tied to the figure Ryuma; people outside of Wano just view it as a powerful country not knowing it was due to the strength of that one man. If they knew Ryuma was the sole reason and died, they would've invaded Wano straight.

Roger was known as a near unstoppable force that conquered the world. And his equal Newgate was known as the WSM, capable of destroying the world. People up to the present day are shaken to the core hearing Roger's blood still lives. And remember how it was said that the WG doesn't want to fuck with an angry Shanks, who walks into the war and ends the war to his terms.

Btw Roger not capable to destroy the world. its only WB or Mihawk can do

 

[MarineHQ]

Ryuma and Mihawk are relative imo. I put them slightly below Roger/Primebeard.

 

[Vanlax]

Prime Roger didn't want to fight Big Mom head on.
Sword God Ryuma killed a Kaido.

:cheers:

 

[comrade]

Reality is Rocks D Xebec is also a legend, its hidden from the world by World Government the same way Ryuma's legend is, both guys made the World Government shit their pants but Ryuma is the only man who has gone even step further.

World Government has never failed against anything, be it Ohara or Void Century but there is only man they failed against and that's Ryuma, and it is precisely the reason why his legend is still known 5 to 6 centuries later while not a single soul give a fuck about Rocks D Xebec anymore.

There are other legends as well like Oars the continent puller, Sun God Nika, Noland but again it all pales in comparison to Ryuma who is known as a God even centuries later.

His impact on the world is simply greater than Whitebeard hence why is known for much longer. Whitebeard was simply holding on to empty throne, Ryuma literally dominated his entire era with no peers and defeated World Government and pirates alike

Well, the WG precisely covered up the incident with Xebec, because he wanted to take over the world and was pure evil. Ryuma stood within the borders of Wano.

There isn't a reason to cover anything up. It's the other way around. If the WG knew Ryuma was the sole reason and long gone, they would've invaded Wano instead of staying out of it.

And now btw the WG and the new world knows that Kaido conquered Wano and controls it. Whitebeard himself hesitated going to war with him and the CP0 hesitated too when Orochi said he has Kaido on his side.

That said, relatively strong pirates (Kaido, prime Moriah, Big Mom, Ace, etc.) have no problem invading Wano. The WG mostly controls fodder countries anyways. The most powerful countries are allied or under the control of the Yonko (Wano, possibly Elbaf).

The samurai nowadays are just referred to as "unknown force" one should consider before heading out.

 

[M944]

When Akainu and Kizaru talked about Wano they didn't mention Ryuma's name. In fact no one from admirals, WG or VA talked about Ryuma and his Legend. This legend is probably known only on Wa No. Zoro didn't knew him either whereas he comes from shimotsuki village.

Moria is the only one who achieved to go to Wa No since Oden's return it's just hard to reach Wa No and Wa No have strong inhabitants in general. Moria didn't even knew who was Ryuma he probably saw a memorial for one samurai and stoled it.

Oden was from there and if he didn't set sail no one will have knew how strong he was. Wa no citizens strenght is unknow. Imagine going into a country really hard to reach (only one way to come if you are an ennemy) and who potentially have multiple YC tier characters and more.

 

[yorosenpai]

Ryuma is definitely more famous and important in Wano than Oden, and Ryuma is definitely stronger than Oden.

Oden clashed with Kaido (wich is so call the strongest) (and basically almost defeat Kaido if not for some fuking trick), Kaido that clashed equally with Big Mom for over 1 week. So we can say Oden can easily clashing and probably winning vs the current Yonkos.

Ryuma achieve a trait that Oden coudnt get in all is life based on Hitesu (which put Ryuma and Mihawk above Oden)

Make 2 + 2 and you see that Ryuma can clash with WB or Roger (dont know if I can win - that depend on Oda which we will never know).

 

[Extravlad]

Ryuma woulda been the greatest if he'd lived in a seperate era where joyboy lived.

Ryuma most likely did not live during Joyboy's era. The World Government was funded at the very end of the Void Century.

 

[[No Name]]

Shanks > Ryuma > Mihawk. :cheers: