Speculations Ryuma vs Roger/Whitebeard

[HA001]

People inside of Wano know Wano is feared because of Ryuma. People outside of Wano don't. If they knew the man responsible for Wano's reputation was long dead, Wano would not be feared anymore.

It's just simple logic.

That's why Whitebeard's territories crumbled immediately. Because the whole world witnessed his death.

What the fuck are you trying to argue ?
That everyone outside of wano still thought ryuma was alive for these hundreds of years ? Not going to wano for 10 20 30 40 years after his death is an excuse cause he may still be there not after centuries.

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since when "being surpassed" will stop you from being known?
how many good and bad kings are remembered in England?
do you remember and know all of those kings cause they are greatest of all
and none of them got surpassed?
what?
as soon as you make it to history books you will be forever known by million until the end of times
being surpassed or not is not even a factor

in fact Roger will be ever more known cause Luffy surpassed HIM
and people mention him more cause of Luffy

again ... I really hope you are dumbing your self here ... cause you make insultingly bad arguments

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they only had Garp and Sengoku ... LOL

No he won't. Cause luffy will do what he did and then more than he did and change the world for good.

 

[comrade]

What the fuck are you trying to argue ?
That everyone outside of wano still thought ryuma was alive for these hundreds of years ?

That no one knew of Ryuma being the reason in the first place. Wano was always feared because of its reputation of having a strong nation of Samurai. It's only the people inside wano that knew it was due to Ryuma itself.

That's why people outside of Wano refer to its force as "unknown military force".

Have you ever heard someone notable outside of Wano calling Ryuma by name? No one did. Not even Zoro knew of Ryuma. Zoro came to know Ryuma at Thriller Bark. Have you heard Kaido using Ryuma's name once?

People should stop making it sound like it was Ryuma's name that put fear into people. Barely anyone outside of Wano knows Ryuma. Again. Not even Zoro knew of the so called "sword god" up until Triller Bark

 

[HA001]

That no one knew of Ryuma being the reason in the first place. Want was always feared because of its reputation of having a strong nation of Samurai. It's only the people inside wano that knew it was due to Ryuma itself.

That's why people outside of Wano refer to its force as "unknown military force".

Have you ever heard someone notable outside of Wano calling Ryuma by name? No one did. Not even Zoro knew of Ryuma. Zoro came to know Ryuma at Thriller Bark. Have you heard Kaido using Ryuma's name once?

People should stop making it sound like it was Ryuma's name that put fear into people. Barely anyone outside of Wano knows Ryuma. Again. Not even Zoro knew of the so called "sword god" up until Triller Bark

no its literally said in the manga

ryuma made it known to the WORLD not to wano that wano is the land of samurai

ryumas a legend

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

There a tons of legends in the history of One Piece that are nowhere near Roger and Whitebeard.

That’s kinda the point

 

[stairs-kun]

Reminder that the World Nobles send admirals to do their bidding. And Ryuma destroyed them. It's even plausible they sent two or three admirals to try and take Wano simultaneously, and Ryuma solo'ed them all, 3v1.

 

[BornInAbyss]

Ryuma definitivly is more memorable than Roger. He is similar to Joy Boy.

 

[Orojackson Refugee]

I'm sorry but outside of Wano Ryuma.doesnt exist at all

No one ever talked about Ryuma

Outside of TB and Wano

Moving the goalpost, eh?

 

[Tai long]

Ryuma definitively is more memorable than Roger. He is similar to Joy Boy.

don't compare the savior of a country to probably the savior of the world and a man who started a whole new era(roger)
kaido in wano knows joyboy but doesn't know ryuma

 

[Finalbeta]

Shanks > Ryuma > Mihawk. :cheers:

I would say Ryuma > Mihawk > Shanks hands down standing out as the most likely bet.

For a matter of general portrayal and hype.

 

[RayanOO]

Ryuma definitivly is more memorable than Roger. He is similar to Joy Boy.

No Joyboy is 10 times more important to the lore and WG than Ryuma was. Joyboy was THE enemy of the CD and Imu.

 

[BornInAbyss]

No Joyboy is 10 times more important to the lore and WG than Ryuma was. Joyboy was THE enemy of the CD and Imu.

But Ryuma was able to keep WG out of Wano even after few hundred years they still have no balls to invade it. Its similiar in my opinion.

 

[M944]

People really takes the words of a dog (who is the pet of a shimotsuki) as a fact.
No one knows how strong those pirates were but considering Moria didn't fear to come to Wa No they shouldn't be that strong

Ryuma is known by Zoro as a dragon slayer not someone who handled marine and pirate solely

I wait for Top tiers to hype Ryuma like they did for WB and Roger not some fodder pet

 

[MonsterKaido]

OK seeing how zoro is most likely biological related to ryuma he is at least a top tier but Roger/WB still have more hype and feats ; they win

 

[Garps tekkai]

I don't see why you'd ever give someone the benefit of the doubt over Primebeard. It just doesn't make sense to me.
He had nearly everything max'd out, was additionally a physical monster with the strongest paramecia.

Ryuma can be legendary as much as he wants, it's just that in verse caps on all kinds of abilities exist and Primebeard is very much near the peak of all of those, while he himself actually even is the peak in one or the other.

By extension Roger had someone like that as a rival.

Already difficult enough for me to see how a swordsman could possibly be above Shanks or Mihawk, cause they seemingly had an intense rivalry going on, that forged them into those monsters they are now. Not just anyone has that "luxury", while Mihawk has a black blade aswell.-> already max'd out as a swordsman aswell.

Just look at Oden for example and how a lack of competition stagnated his growth at first until he went out to the sea.

Ryuma can be a "normal" top tier and everything about him still holds true. He does not necessarily have to be a notch above.
"Normal" Top tiers are still guys with all kinds of haki types max'd out, that additionally wield absolute S-class DFs that can nuke an island and all.

I dunno where that negative connotation that's seemingly attached to below Top3 top tiers comes from and why you'd hand out benefits of the doubts to featless characters.
Peaks are just that- Peaks. Legends and folklore won't change that.
In RL you also wouldn't give guys the benefit of the doubt over Prime Tyson and Alexander Karelin.

 

[comrade]

no its literally said in the manga

ryuma made it known to the WORLD not to wano that wano is the land of samurai

ryumas a legend

Sure. But my point is, you cannot put Ryuma's portrayal over Roger's and Whitebeard's based on the fact people fear entering Wano centuries later. While the inside world (Wano itself) knew Ryuma is carrying all the hype on his shoulders, the outside world did not. Since Wano is an isolated country without any information leaking, the outside world feared Wano because it is a "nation of strong Samurai".

The fact people fear entering Wano centuries later is proof that they don't believe it is because of a single man, because that single man should've been dead long ago.

Meanwhile Roger and Whitebeard were the most famous people on the planet and feared by everyone, but once they died and their death was broadcasted to the entire world, there was no reason to fear entering their territories anymore, because their death was a fact. Meanwhile Ryuma's death would not have changed anything, because the outside world did not tie Wano's whole reputation to Ryuma himself.

If Ryuma and Roger changed places, the hype would've switched too. Roger would've destroyed every invader and the legend would've carried on for centuries due to Roger being a rather mytical figure in an isolated country.

On the other hand, if Ryuma was known to be the sole protector of Wano, once his death was broadcasted to the whole world, ain't nobody would've stood away from Wano "fearing the legend".

 

[Finalbeta]

OK seeing how zoro is most likely biological related to ryuma he is at least a top tier but Roger/WB still have more hype and feats ; they win

I think he would probably wait for more portrayal before properly declaring this.

We still don't know whether Roger is even stronger than Mihawk, let alone Prime Ryuma I imagine.

 

[roronoa_fan]

What intrigues me the most about all this are the kokuto. So far, in all of history, only Ryuma and Mihawk have managed to blacken their blades. Kokutos are rarer than haoshoku or mythological zoans. Is it curious that Roger and Newgate have supreme blades, is it just to brag that, like great pirates, they stole rare blades? Or did they really use them a lot during battles but were unable to darken them? When we discover the secret of kokuto, we will discover the true strength of Ryuma and Mihawk.

 

[Law-sama]

Ryuma is not above Roger and Whitebeard. Kozuki > Shimotsuki...Roger and Whitebeard beat the shit out of Oden who is stronger than fucking Ushimaru

 

[BornInAbyss]

Ryuma is not above Roger and Whitebeard. Kozuki > Shimotsuki...Roger and Whitebeard beat the shit out of Oden who is stronger than fucking Ushimaru

Okay and who says that Ushimaru is even close to Ryuma? Ushimaru only was known as a Great Swordmaster while Ryuma was literally known as the God of Swords. How would a Ushimaru/Oden Level character keep off the WG from entering Wano even many years after his death?

 

[roronoa_fan]

Ryuma is not above Roger and Whitebeard. Kozuki > Shimotsuki...Roger and Whitebeard beat the shit out of Oden who is stronger than fucking Ushimaru

So if Akainu killed Ace who was a D can I assure you that he will always be stronger than Luffy who is also a D?