Speculations Ryuma vs Roger/Whitebeard

[HA001]

Well, the WG precisely covered up the incident with Xebec, because he wanted to take over the world and was pure evil. Ryuma stood within the borders of Wano.

There isn't a reason to cover anything up. It's the other way around. If the WG knew Ryuma was the sole reason and long gone, they would've invaded Wano instead of staying out of it.

And now btw the WG and the new world knows that Kaido conquered Wano and controls it. Whitebeard himself hesitated going to war with him and the CP0 hesitated too when Orochi said he has Kaido on his side.

That said, relatively strong pirates (Kaido, prime Moriah, Big Mom, Ace, etc.) have no problem invading Wano. The WG mostly controls fodder countries anyways. The most powerful countries are allied or under the control of the Yonko (Wano, possibly Elbaf).

The samurai nowadays are just referred to as "unknown force" one should consider before heading out.

How long did wbs territories last after he died ?
How long did wano last after ryuma died ?

 

[ShishioIsBack]

Well, the WG precisely covered up the incident with Xebec, because he wanted to take over the world and was pure evil. Ryuma stood within the borders of Wano.

There isn't a reason to cover anything up. It's the other way around. If the WG knew Ryuma was the sole reason and long gone, they would've invaded Wano instead of staying out of it.

And now btw the WG and the new world knows that Kaido conquered Wano and controls it. Whitebeard himself hesitated going to war with him and the CP0 hesitated too when Orochi said he has Kaido on his side.

That said, relatively strong pirates (Kaido, prime Moriah, Big Mom, Ace, etc.) have no problem invading Wano. The WG mostly controls fodder countries anyways. The most powerful countries are allied or under the control of the Yonko (Wano, possibly Elbaf).

The samurai nowadays are just referred to as "unknown force" one should consider before heading out.

Kaido got info about Wano from Orochi, and Moria probably knows about current Wano from Kaido.
The fear around Wano comes from Ryuma, people are afraid of perception created by Ryuma, people feeling like by chance there is someone like Ryuma, they are toast.

But since Ryuma there hasn't been anyone.
Oden isn't even strong enough to push Ryuma to low diff imo

 

[Red Admiral]

His impact on the world is simply greater than Whitebeard hence why is known for much longer. Whitebeard was simply holding on to empty throne, Ryuma literally dominated his entire era with no peers and defeated World Government and pirates alike
@Seraphoenix @Red Admiral

Ryuma is only known for HIS OWN people ....
the vast majority of one piece world don't even know jack shit about Wano let alone Ryuma
so yea maybe 1% of world knowns Ryuma and 99% of the world knows Dark King

and you really want to play the fame and impact game with Roger?!
really?
the most famous dude in the last 1000 years?


just leave it Shishio
no one is good enough to overshadow Roger and Whitebeard
Xebec still can't do it let alone Ryuma

 

[HA001]

Ryuma is only known for HIS OWN people ....
the vast majority of one piece world don't even know jack shit about Wano let alone Ryuma
so yea maybe 1% of world knowns Ryuma and 99% of the world knows Dark King

and you really want to play the fame and impact game with Roger?!
really?
the most famous dude in the last 1000 years?

Famous for 20 years wow
No one gonna give a shit about him in 50 years let alone the centuries its been for ryuma

 

[comrade]

How long did wbs territories last after he died ?
How long did wano last after ryuma died ?

The world witnessed Whitebeard's death. Ryuma lived in an isolated country that didn't let information out, hence when he died, the legend lived on and people couldn't really pin down the reason the Wano country was feared; only that is host to a powerful nation of Samurais.

Kaido got info about Wano from Orochi, and Moria probably knows about current Wano from Kaido.
The fear around Wano comes from Ryuma, people are afraid of perception created by Ryuma, people feeling like by chance there is someone like Ryuma, they are toast.

Yes, the fear comes from Ryuma, but the point is, people themselves don't even know that. All info they have is, that Wano is a country hosting a nation of powerful Samurai, since the country itself is isolated and people don't know it was due to Ryuma, so Ryuma's legend lives on.

And I doubt Kaido would hesitate to go to Wano because of its reputation, which isn't even tied to the name Ryuma but to "powerful Samurai". Kaido said, he chose Wano specifically because it is Wano. He didn't even recognize Ryuma as a person.

Think of it this way: If a Yonko territory was isolated from the outside world, without information leaking to the outside of its borders, and the Yonko died, people (other Yonko crews and the WG) still wouldn't invade it because of fearing the Yonko.

 

[HA001]

The world witnessed Whitebeard's death. Ryuma lived in an isolated country that didn't let information out, hence when he died, the legend lived on and people couldn't really pin down the reason the Wano country was feared; only that is host to a powerful nation of Samurais.

Yes, the fear comes from Ryuma, but the point is, people themselves don't even know that. All info they have is, that Wano is a country hosting a nation of powerful Samurai, since the country itself is isolated and people don't know it was due to Ryuma, so Ryuma's legend lives on.

And I doubt Kaido would hesitate to go to Wano because of its reputation, which isn't even tied to the name Ryuma but to "powerful Samurai". Kaido said, he chose Wano specifically because it is Wano.

Think of it this way: If a Yonko territory was isolated from the outside world, without information leaking to the outside of its borders, and the Yonko died, people (other Yonko crews and the WG) still wouldn't invade it because of fearing the Yonko.

What did they somehow think ryuma would live hundreds of years now ? Weak excuse
Onimaru confirms its ryumas rep that kept people away the reason why akainu is wary to go there.

 

[Red Admiral]

Famous for 20 years wow
No one gonna give a shit about him in 50 years let alone the centuries its been for ryuma

not really ...
Ryuma is a local hero ... for 1 island among millions ... and is unknown in rest of the world. 100K people know him at best. in world class that's fucking low number ... Roger is known for billions




but Roger did the imposable and achieved the greatest feat a pirate can
his name can shine for centuries as well cause his achievements is far more known and greater than Ryuma in the eyes of the world

not to mention I do believe Roger greatest achievement is beating Xebec and he can't even get the fame for that

 

[HA001]

not really ...
Ryuma is a local hero ... for 1 island among millions ... and is unknown in rest of the 100K people known him at best. in world class that's fucking low number ... Roger is known for billions




but Roger did the imposable and achieved the greatest feat a pirate can
his name can shine for centuries as well cause his achievements is far more known and greater than Ryuma in the eyes of the world

not to mention I do believe Roger greatest achievement is beating Xebec and he can't even get the fame for that

Roger gonna be a nobody in 50 years cause no one gonna give a shit when luffy surpasses him

 

[Red Admiral]

Roger gonna be a nobody in 50 years cause no one gonna give a shit when luffy surpasses him

if you are soooo goood in telling the future come and help in stock market bro ... don't waste your talents here


p.s
Roger still gonna have +100 K people on his team even 1000 years form now
don't worry
100K is a JOKE

 

[comrade]

What did they somehow think ryuma would live hundreds of years now ? Weak excuse

Onimaru confirms its ryumas rep that kept people away the reason why akainu is wary to go there.

You just said it yourself and proved my point. If people outside of Wano knew that it was Ryuma alone who held everyone off, there would be no need to fear invading Wano anymore knowing Ryuma died. Why do they hesitate going to Wano hundreds of years later, even though Ryuma is long dead? It is because the outside world doesn't see Ryuma, they see Wano as a nation of powerful Samurai. That's how Brook introduced Wano. Onimaru said that Ryuma's reputaiton was responsible for keeping them out, yes, but that doesn't mean the outside world associated Wano with Ryuma himself.

Again, why would they hesitate going to Wano if they knew it is just about Ryuma, given Ryuma died?

 

[HA001]

You just said it yourself and proved my point. If people outside of Wano knew that it was Ryuma alone who held everyone off, there would be no need to fear invading Wano anymore knowing Ryuma died. Why do they hesitate going to Wano hundreds of years later, even though Ryuma is long dead? It is because the outside world doesn't see Ryuma, they see Wano as a nation of powerful Samurai. That's how Brook introduced Wano. Onimaru said that Ryuma's reputaiton was responsible for keeping them out, yes, but that doesn't mean the outside world associated Wano with Ryuma himself.

Again, why would they hesitate going to Wano if they knew it is just about Ryuma, given Ryuma died?

Powerful Samurai because of ryuma
They wary incase there's more samurai on ryumas level that would solo their ass.

 

[Red Admiral]

Roger gonna be a nobody in 50 years cause no one gonna give a shit when luffy surpasses him

in todays standards more than 10K famous people from +100 year or +2000 years ago are known for MILLIONS
and most of them are local heroes

Roger as a WORLD KNOWN person will FOREVER be known by MILLIONS

 

[Rekien]

Ryuma could hold off the entire WG out of wano by himself....Meanwhile Roger and WB got killed off by WG.

 

[HA001]

in todays standards more than 10K famous people from +100 year or +2000 years ago are known for MILLIONS
and most of them are local heroes

Roger as a WORLD KNOWN person will FOREVER be known by MILLIONS

No he won't. When luffy surpasses him no one gonna give a shit.
I'll give you an example Usain bolt fastest man broke all the records blah blah
Do you know whose records he broke ? I don't
I bet most people don't
But they all know bolt

 

[Blackbeard]

Healthy Roger > WB = Ryuma

Ryuma fills the gap in-between emperors and Roger imo.

 

[Red Admiral]

Ryuma could hold off the entire WG out of wano by himself....Meanwhile Roger and WB got killed off by WG.

current marine low diff Marine form 40 years ago
let alone 300 years ago

and Ryuma had entire wano with him
and Ryuma never stopped all of them at once

at least say something funny

 

[Rekien]

current marine low diff Marine form 40 years ago
let alone 300 years ago

Sounds like massive head cannon to me, where do you get such data? out of your backside?

 

[M944]

Onimaru and Wa no citizens also overestimate Ryuma and his feats they have a huge cult around him
Onimaru never leaved Wa No once and wasn't there at that time so he can't really said why no one comes at Wa No

 

[comrade]

Powerful Samurai because of ryuma
They wary incase there's more samurai on ryumas level that would solo their ass.

People inside of Wano know Wano is feared because of Ryuma. People outside of Wano don't. If they knew the man responsible for Wano's reputation was long dead, Wano would not be feared anymore.

It's just simple logic.

That's why Whitebeard's territories crumbled immediately. Because the whole world witnessed his death.

 

[Red Admiral]

No he won't. When luffy surpasses him no one gonna give a shit.
I'll give you an example Usain bolt fastest man broke all the records blah blah
Do you know whose records he broke ? I don't
I bet most people don't
But they all know bolt

since when "being surpassed" will stop you from being known?
how many good and bad kings are remembered in England?
do you remember and know all of those kings cause they are greatest of all
and none of them got surpassed?
what?
as soon as you make it to history books you will be forever known by million until the end of times
being surpassed or not is not even a factor

in fact Roger will be ever more known cause Luffy surpassed HIM
and people mention him more cause of Luffy

again ... I really hope you are dumbing your self here ... cause you make insultingly bad arguments

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Sounds like massive head cannon to me, where do you get such data? out of your backside?

they only had Garp and Sengoku ... LOL