Speculations Ryuma vs Roger/Whitebeard
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Ryuma is not above Roger and Whitebeard. Kozuki > Shimotsuki...Roger and Whitebeard beat the shit out of Oden who is stronger than fucking Ushimaru
Ryuma is not only one of the few who blackened his blade but was also renowned as the Strongest of his era.
He literally managed to single-handedly defend Wano against foreign powerhouses coming from all over the world !
Him and Ushimaru aren't comparable strength-wise ...
How so ?
The only person Roger beats was Xebec. He never succeeds to beat Garp or Whitebeard despite their numerous battles.
He even avoids to fight Big Mom and Shiki ...
Roger is overrated ! Even his treasure is not really his which actually belongs to someone else.
His only merit is that he followed Joy Boy's will and instructions like a deluded pawn lol
The only person Roger beats was Xebec. He never succeeds to beat Garp or Whitebeard despite their numerous battles.
He even avoids to fight Big Mom and Shiki ...
Roger is overrated ! Even his treasure is not really his which actually belongs to someone else.
His only merit is that he followed Joy Boy's will and instructions like a deluded pawn lol
How so ?
The only person Roger beats was Xebec. He never succeeds to beat Garp or Whitebeard despite their numerous battles.
He even avoids to fight Big Mom and Shiki ...
Roger is overrated ! Even his treasure is not really his which actually belongs to someone else.
His only merit is that he followed Joy Boy's will and instructions like a deluded pawn lol
The only person Roger beats was Xebec. He never succeeds to beat Garp or Whitebeard despite their numerous battles.
He even avoids to fight Big Mom and Shiki ...
Roger is overrated ! Even his treasure is not really his which actually belongs to someone else.
His only merit is that he followed Joy Boy's will and instructions like a deluded pawn lol
The only person Ryuma beat was a no named dragon
Avoiding fights with bigmom and shiki over avoiding fight with vista
At least millions of people want roger title while only one person wants mihawk title
I guess at the end of the day portrayal also has to be accounted since we have no idea who Big Mom ever defeated that is worthy mentioning amongst the top tiers but she is still one. And of course MF was a terrible arc for scaling.
Kizaru himself was done dirt by Oda but he is one of the most potent characters in the verse.
Kizaru himself was done dirt by Oda but he is one of the most potent characters in the verse.
Mihawk is said to be so strong that he doesn't have any worthy challengers (including Shanks).
Ryuma actually beat the World Nobles and the pirates who tried to invade Wano ...
Ryuma actually beat the World Nobles and the pirates who tried to invade Wano ...
If Ryuma's hype is anything to go by and if the dragon he had slain was anything like Kaido's Dragon, then I don't see why he wouldn't at least be comparable to Oden. But being on par with or being above Roger/WB is a different story altogether. It makes no sense for Ryuma to be above Roger/WB both narratively as well as from the power scaling standpoint.
Its the fear bro, the possibility that someone of Ryumas caliber might he there
Ryuma put so much fear in the World Government when he was alive they have decided to leave Wano alone, now they don't step in because they assume there is a possibility someone of Ryumas caliber is there. Hence Akainu Warning Kizaru they don't know how strong samurai is.
But what is worth noting is that Ryuma did significant damage to world government for them to still have that perspective of Wano.
World Government knows they can't afford to fuck with someone of Ryumas caliber and just a tiny chance they someone like Ryuma is there, they'd go through same shit again and get embarrassed.
But defeating a Yonko, much less one perceived as strongest Yonko was a piece of cake for world Government
Ryuma put so much fear in the World Government when he was alive they have decided to leave Wano alone, now they don't step in because they assume there is a possibility someone of Ryumas caliber is there. Hence Akainu Warning Kizaru they don't know how strong samurai is.
But what is worth noting is that Ryuma did significant damage to world government for them to still have that perspective of Wano.
World Government knows they can't afford to fuck with someone of Ryumas caliber and just a tiny chance they someone like Ryuma is there, they'd go through same shit again and get embarrassed.
But defeating a Yonko, much less one perceived as strongest Yonko was a piece of cake for world Government
Ah, soo it was based on BS headcannon after all....
No, we only know about Garp and Sengoku because they are the only real strong ones from that era that didnt die or retired, that dosent mean they where the only strong marines alive at the time, remenber Garp is not an admiral and there are 2 other admirals plus the fleet admiral that was likely not sengoku at the time.
And how the 30 years ago marines being weaker than the current ones translates to marines 300 years ago being weaker than the current ones? We dont know nothing about the admirals of that time.
No, we only know about Garp and Sengoku because they are the only real strong ones from that era that didnt die or retired, that dosent mean they where the only strong marines alive at the time, remenber Garp is not an admiral and there are 2 other admirals plus the fleet admiral that was likely not sengoku at the time.
And how the 30 years ago marines being weaker than the current ones translates to marines 300 years ago being weaker than the current ones? We dont know nothing about the admirals of that time.
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i dont get how ppl think ryuma is stronger than the PK himself. ryuma just live in wano at the time without marines exist let alone warlord, admirals or yonko in other world no three great power whatsoever. while roger whitebeard travelling all over the word competing with tops dogs like other fellow yonko or admirals and not just mere dragon. how could a man called strongest if he doesnt even meet other to strongest to test his power?even whitebeard called strongest and get equal by roger or kaido called strongest and suffers tons defeat.
just like oden who simply strongest person in whole wano, even him astonished by wb and roger and think how vast the world can be and the world apparently way vast even beyond his imagination, even oden atm who legit the strongest samurai in wano need to "toughned and trained" himself on his journey across grand line. that's why he said he admitted he is way stronger than he used to be after his journey.
government doesnt touch wano not because single person but because they are afraid of the forces of samurai there. sengoku say that, even kaido admitted if oden join forces with other samurai (hyogoro and other lords) it will be hell for his side.
so goverment is afraid to solely ryuma is make up story BS. long ago not even marine exist. from the ancient time to nowdays, outsiders afraid of natives samurai forces of wano. not single figures. since we are know samurai is not a individualist but come in packs. and in ryuuma case, he is lucky backtime there are no marines nor admirals. even at oden times he isnt not lucky, just before marine or wg invaded there, kaido come first, thats why marines doesnt bother to invade it again.but even kaido afraids of collective powers of samurai wano.
if you think killing dragon can make him stronger than roger, well akainu, fujitora aokiji or fujitora can kill 100 dragons easily if they wants and none of them considered stronger than roger lol.
dude have they tell you that the ceiling is roger and whitebeard?this is pirate saga....
just like oden who simply strongest person in whole wano, even him astonished by wb and roger and think how vast the world can be and the world apparently way vast even beyond his imagination, even oden atm who legit the strongest samurai in wano need to "toughned and trained" himself on his journey across grand line. that's why he said he admitted he is way stronger than he used to be after his journey.
government doesnt touch wano not because single person but because they are afraid of the forces of samurai there. sengoku say that, even kaido admitted if oden join forces with other samurai (hyogoro and other lords) it will be hell for his side.
so goverment is afraid to solely ryuma is make up story BS. long ago not even marine exist. from the ancient time to nowdays, outsiders afraid of natives samurai forces of wano. not single figures. since we are know samurai is not a individualist but come in packs. and in ryuuma case, he is lucky backtime there are no marines nor admirals. even at oden times he isnt not lucky, just before marine or wg invaded there, kaido come first, thats why marines doesnt bother to invade it again.but even kaido afraids of collective powers of samurai wano.
if you think killing dragon can make him stronger than roger, well akainu, fujitora aokiji or fujitora can kill 100 dragons easily if they wants and none of them considered stronger than roger lol.
dude have they tell you that the ceiling is roger and whitebeard?this is pirate saga....
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i dunno, wg exist since 800 years ago but marine is different, but so far we are only know kong was prolly the oldest admiral (when bm child CP said she has worth to be admiral, prolly that time is around kong as admiral/fleet admiral) and without admiral navy wont exist since admirals is leads of the group beside fleet admiral.
and ppl like garp is ultimate legend among navy and wg means he is the best ever exist in navy, even if navy already exist in 10000000 years, garps is best among all those years admirals lol and roger competing with this kind thing and still managed to conquer the world. something that cannot achieved by any person before. if there was admirals before kong we doesnt need to know since he is mustly below garp or akainu because oda never tell us nor throw any hint.
and ppl like garp is ultimate legend among navy and wg means he is the best ever exist in navy, even if navy already exist in 10000000 years, garps is best among all those years admirals lol and roger competing with this kind thing and still managed to conquer the world. something that cannot achieved by any person before. if there was admirals before kong we doesnt need to know since he is mustly below garp or akainu because oda never tell us nor throw any hint.
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Not really. Whitebeard was at his deathbed already. Old, sick and off of his medication.
The WG is commonly known to only rule over fodder countries. Large parts of the new world are under the control of the Yonko, including the strongest countries (Wano, Elbaf) and the WG doesn't fuck with any of them. They just tax the fodder countries who seek protection.
So whose hype is bigger? The swordgod of Wano who wasn't really that much known outside of Wano, or Roger, who started the great era of piracy, being known as the strongest and most notorious man of the entire world, same with Whitebeard, who was said to be his equal, the strongest man in the world, the man capable of destroying the world, the king of the seas and it being "Whitebeard's era" after Roger's death.
- By default, world's strongest man > world's strongest swordsman (black blade user) Mihawk
- Clinging to Whitebeard's portrayal from his prime, Sengoku said it's not clear whether the Marine HQ + Shichibukai will win against him, saying that his man has the power to destroy the world, with Tsuru saying that there is no save place in this world to hide.
- People turned pale hearing that Roger's blood still lives
- Sengoku said, Ace' heritage granted him the potential to stand atop of the world
- Shanks breaking through the marines wall to meet Whitebeard turned the Gorosei pale
- It was said that the World Government does not want to risk dealing with an angry Shanks, he who came and ended the war to his terms
- Orochi shooting CP0 members into the head, saying as long as they have Kaido, the WG can go fuck themselves, further demanding Vegapunk, with the CP0 crying like little cunts and saying "please no"
The WG is commonly known to only rule over fodder countries. Large parts of the new world are under the control of the Yonko, including the strongest countries (Wano, Elbaf) and the WG doesn't fuck with any of them. They just tax the fodder countries who seek protection.
So whose hype is bigger? The swordgod of Wano who wasn't really that much known outside of Wano, or Roger, who started the great era of piracy, being known as the strongest and most notorious man of the entire world, same with Whitebeard, who was said to be his equal, the strongest man in the world, the man capable of destroying the world, the king of the seas and it being "Whitebeard's era" after Roger's death.
Ryuma was known throughout the world
Entire world pirates and marines alike challenged him
World Government lost to him
He was also known as strongest man in the world in monsters
Ryuma seems to have Sword God, WSS and WSM titles
What if that dragon he beheaded is ancient weapon, that's far above anything Roger or WB accomplished
I think EoS Zoro and EoS Luffy low or mid diff Roger/WB level people (Xebec is probably in same category) @comrade
Entire world pirates and marines alike challenged him
World Government lost to him
He was also known as strongest man in the world in monsters
Ryuma seems to have Sword God, WSS and WSM titles
What if that dragon he beheaded is ancient weapon, that's far above anything Roger or WB accomplished
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I think EoS Zoro and EoS Luffy low or mid diff Roger/WB level people (Xebec is probably in same category) @comrade
Where was that said? That the entire world of pirates and marines challenged him and the WG lost to it? in Monsters? Is this even canon? Just read that according to Oda, it's the same Ryuma as from One Piece, but that's a one shot Manga Oda created several years before One Piece, it's a different verse that doesn't really host any power houses.
Well, if it's an ancient weapon, good hype. Though I'm not sure what it takes to destroy an ancient weapon. Poseidon is a Mermaid. Pluton a war Ship. I doubt you need to be god tier to destroy them.
I think more like high diff. Roger and Whitebeard are already monsters for One Piece standards. Unless Oda will pull off Kaguya shit, I think the EOS protagonists won't be much stronger.
Well, if it's an ancient weapon, good hype. Though I'm not sure what it takes to destroy an ancient weapon. Poseidon is a Mermaid. Pluton a war Ship. I doubt you need to be god tier to destroy them.
I think more like high diff. Roger and Whitebeard are already monsters for One Piece standards. Unless Oda will pull off Kaguya shit, I think the EOS protagonists won't be much stronger.
ryuma biggest feats is slaying dragon. that why he known and being legend throughout wano. over killing a dragon lol. all we know he didnt killing dragon kaido or dragon the revolutionary or kind so because he is same character that appear in 'monster' manga, in that manga ryuma also kill actual dragon lol. so the dragon is ordinary dragon. not "special" dragon lol.
meanwhile akainu could kill 100 dragons without sweating and still cant be considered stronger than roger lmao.
how do you know that there are 2 others admirals beside sengoku when garp stll VC?if there are one oda will already told us, and even there are exist it doesnt matter since garp is the only legendary and known all over the world means he is the best at that time alongside sengoku. kong and zephyr are so far know admirals.
meanwhile akainu could kill 100 dragons without sweating and still cant be considered stronger than roger lmao.
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how do you know that there are 2 others admirals beside sengoku when garp stll VC?if there are one oda will already told us, and even there are exist it doesnt matter since garp is the only legendary and known all over the world means he is the best at that time alongside sengoku. kong and zephyr are so far know admirals.
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