Speculations Saturn beats Luffy, Kizaru beats Zoro and Sanji
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I get it. But it's very common in Shonen. Luffy held out quite a long time against kaido in gear 5. So it depends on the situation. Same for zoro, who beat King within 1-2 minutes (or 3 strikes) after acquiring adv CoC.
If both should go all out again, they could beat those two much much faster. Luffy would take longer than zoro since kaido is much more durable but still.
I don't think we will experience any other major defeat in serious 1v1s at this point. Admirals are between 1YC and a yonko. Luffy is a yonko and zoro is much above any other 1YC by now (unless Beckman sets new standards)
If both should go all out again, they could beat those two much much faster. Luffy would take longer than zoro since kaido is much more durable but still.
I don't think we will experience any other major defeat in serious 1v1s at this point. Admirals are between 1YC and a yonko. Luffy is a yonko and zoro is much above any other 1YC by now (unless Beckman sets new standards)
Honestly it could go both ways.. Time skip arcs mirrors pre time skip arcs but differently. You take one thing from an arc and flip it the other way "its all an assumption".
Alabasta : Straw Hat unnoticed heroes - - Dressrosa : Straw Hat known heroes
Nami's arc : humans are enslaved by fishmen in human territory - - Fishman island : humans are enslaved by fishmen in fishmen territory
I only referenced these but each arc has way too many plot/mini arc/stories that flipped the other way. Some are completely the opposite rather than mirroring the other side.
You could be onto something here but who knows. Great post anyways
Alabasta : Straw Hat unnoticed heroes - - Dressrosa : Straw Hat known heroes
Nami's arc : humans are enslaved by fishmen in human territory - - Fishman island : humans are enslaved by fishmen in fishmen territory
I only referenced these but each arc has way too many plot/mini arc/stories that flipped the other way. Some are completely the opposite rather than mirroring the other side.
You could be onto something here but who knows. Great post anyways
I don't see it, zoro and sanji are ready, at least the two of them together, to fight against the higher levels and have a good showdown
If you ask me, how will the return to Egghead be?
It will be like zoro and sanji containing kizaru while luffy fights/argues with saturn... first he will have to deal with luffy with a mysterious talk about the empty century, trying to piss off luffy or trick him, z to which zoro and sanji will try to prevent him from pass, to which kizaru intervenes and here comes the confrontation
I hope that oda shows how strong kizaru and saturn are, without disrespecting zoor and sanji, less luffy the emperor
If you ask me, how will the return to Egghead be?
It will be like zoro and sanji containing kizaru while luffy fights/argues with saturn... first he will have to deal with luffy with a mysterious talk about the empty century, trying to piss off luffy or trick him, z to which zoro and sanji will try to prevent him from pass, to which kizaru intervenes and here comes the confrontation
I hope that oda shows how strong kizaru and saturn are, without disrespecting zoor and sanji, less luffy the emperor
I really love how Oda flips previous arcs on their heads and references them later. Stuff like Sanji feeding Gin leading into Sanji feeding Big Mom; with Gin, Sanji's cooking led to his home nearly being destroyed, with Big Mom, his cooking saved Big Mom's home from being destroyed. The characters stay consistent, but also grow.
Like, in Sabaody, Kuma teleports the Straw Hats away from each other, to places they can grow. Now, if we get an S-Bear teleport, I think the Straw Hats will be sent together to a place where they have allies, to prepare for the government's backlash to Sai and Leo's attack on Charlos.
Like, in Sabaody, Kuma teleports the Straw Hats away from each other, to places they can grow. Now, if we get an S-Bear teleport, I think the Straw Hats will be sent together to a place where they have allies, to prepare for the government's backlash to Sai and Leo's attack on Charlos.
Can't see straw hats losing to an admiral at this point. Luffy was prepared to fight one in dressrosa and the admiral in question actually admitted that Luffy had the strength to back up his words.
If the Gorosei were all together I would say you might have a point from a narrative perspective. But it actually makes more sense for Luffy at this point to defeat a Gorosei, making the WG that much more desperate to kill him. It will also give Zoro a perfect opportunity to get revenge on Kizaru for when he was a rookie.
If the Gorosei were all together I would say you might have a point from a narrative perspective. But it actually makes more sense for Luffy at this point to defeat a Gorosei, making the WG that much more desperate to kill him. It will also give Zoro a perfect opportunity to get revenge on Kizaru for when he was a rookie.
I dont think Luffy losing aligns with the narration that come tomorrow, it will become a huge incident affecting the world.
Luffy defeating an Admiral (and/or Gorosei) and escaping with VP telld the world the Marines are failing at their jobs, which may prompt Akainu into action. The opposite tells the world they are safe, thats not really a big deal.
Luffy defeating an Admiral (and/or Gorosei) and escaping with VP telld the world the Marines are failing at their jobs, which may prompt Akainu into action. The opposite tells the world they are safe, thats not really a big deal.
I think Egghead Island, outside of Punk Records, is going to get blown to hell, like Ohara (hence all the Ohara references), but the destruction will be broadcast through the world, through Vegapunk.
So, the WG/Marines will destroy Egghead, but the public will see the destruction, and believe that the government murdered Dr. Vegapunk, who's widely beloved and respected.
Keep in mind Sengoku didn't even want the Pacifistas to be shown murdering the Whitebeard Pirates.
If the Marines destroy Egghead, and it's broadcast around the world, people would lose their minds.
So, the WG/Marines will destroy Egghead, but the public will see the destruction, and believe that the government murdered Dr. Vegapunk, who's widely beloved and respected.
Keep in mind Sengoku didn't even want the Pacifistas to be shown murdering the Whitebeard Pirates.
If the Marines destroy Egghead, and it's broadcast around the world, people would lose their minds.
