Character Discussion Shanks already wifi diffed Kaido 2 years ago.

[Fujishiro]

You really must be desperate to use statement that got proven wrong before ( by narrator stating Kaido got defeated 7 times already )

Luffy lost many times and he will be the strongest, his losses happened during his career as a pirate and before he reached his prime.

and after ( by being defeated by g5 Luffy couple pages later ) in attempt to try to make your case. Man just tells how low Crydo fandom has fallen .

He said that Joyboy/Luffy will defeat him and thats just what happened, and that was with a shit ton of help. Not sure this is the gotcha moment you think it is.

 

[Djordje]

The fact that someone backed out of a fight is not the same as what Shanks did to Greenbull.

Rayleigh made Blackbeard back away, despite knowing Blackbeard was superior, Whitebeard ran away from fodder marines and also declined going after Kaido because he was scared of losing his crew. Kaido didn't want to get into it with Big Mom's crew at first, Mihawk back away from both Crocodile and Vista, Fujitora back out from Doflamingo even when directly attacked.

Greenbull - on the other hand - got bent over like Shanks just told him to pick up the soap. Frozen and then shaking in fear from 5 miles out. It also didn't help that Momo had just brought him to his knees a panel earlier.

I know this is hard for you to hear because you're most likely an admiral fan and your agenda got dick slapped in the last couple of years. So I'll let you slide here.

Its not about Kaido backing out from fight against RHP its about we are told that Kaido seeks how to die ( thats his hobby ) yet he retreats from RHP fearing he would suffer potential defeat.

 

[Fujishiro]

Its not about Kaido backing out from fight against RHP its about we are told that Kaido seeks how to die ( thats his hobby ) yet he retreats from RHP fearing he would suffer potential defeat.

Kaido wants to die a glorious death, dying in the middle of nowhere isnt it.

 

[Juanpiz]

The fact that someone backed out of a fight is not the same as what Shanks did to Greenbull.

Rayleigh made Blackbeard back away, despite knowing Blackbeard was superior, Whitebeard ran away from fodder marines and also declined going after Kaido because he was scared of losing his crew. Kaido didn't want to get into it with Big Mom's crew at first, Mihawk back away from both Crocodile and Vista, Fujitora back out from Doflamingo even when directly attacked.

Greenbull - on the other hand - got bent over like Shanks just told him to pick up the soap. Frozen and then shaking in fear from 5 miles out. It also didn't help that Momo had just brought him to his knees a panel earlier.

I know this is hard for you to hear because you're most likely an admiral fan and your agenda got dick slapped in the last couple of years. So I'll let you slide here.

What would shanks have done if green bull said „I don’t care“ and continued?
Shanks:well shit…

 

[Djordje]

Luffy lost many times and he will be the strongest, his losses happened during his career as a pirate and before he reached his prime.



He said that Joyboy/Luffy will defeat him and thats just what happened, and that was with a shit ton of help. Not sure this is the gotcha moment you think it is.

Its really nice you mentioning all this but still this doesnt change the fact what Kaido said was already proven wrong and can no longer be used as factual statement.

But I understand that in lack of actual material you dick ride false hype to try and prove some point.

 

[Shiroyru]

Kaido wants to die a glorious death, dying in the middle of nowhere isnt it.

Yet he tried to die by jumping off a sky island onto some random island in the middle of nowhere

 

[park_min young]

This is where you lost me, the manga literally canonically states that Roger and WB are equal.

I said arguably stronger, there is reason that supports Roger to still be stronger. For one, WB derives his hype from being able to go toe-to-toe with Roger so Roger is the standard. The second is how Xebec was introduced as Roger’s first and greatest rival. There’s clear superiority established between Xebec and WB but not Xebec and Roger.

 

[Djordje]

Kaido wants to die a glorious death, dying in the middle of nowhere isnt it.

Pathetic excuse considering he literally threw himself on the ground , really pathetic man.

 

[Fujishiro]

Its really nice you mentioning all this but still this doesnt change the fact what Kaido said was already proven wrong and can no longer be used as factual statement.

But it hasnt been proven wrong lol, you repeating it wont make it reality.

Yet he tried to die by jumping off a sky island onto some random island in the middle of nowhere

Yeah I knew you would bring this up, see he jumped there to meet Kidd and co because Apoo informed him of where they were.

Next.

I said arguably stronger, there is reason that supports Roger to still be stronger..

No there is none. They are canonically equal.

Pathetic excuse considering he literally threw himself on the ground , really pathetic man.

Kaido mustve really gotten in your nerves for you to be acting this way about a fictional character lol.

 

[park_min young]

No there is none. They are canonically equal.

They’re not, this will go no where

 

[Fujishiro]

They’re not, this will go no where

Yes they are lol, they fought multiple times and nobody won thats equality.

 

[park_min young]

Yes they are lol, they fought multiple times and nobody won thats equality.

You mean the mickey mouse fights? Blud dodged the arguments I brought up and brings up the offscreen fights as evidence. I guess BM and Kaido are also equals?

 

[JoNdule]

The fact that someone backed out of a fight is not the same as what Shanks did to Greenbull.

Rayleigh made Blackbeard back away, despite knowing Blackbeard was superior, Whitebeard ran away from fodder marines and also declined going after Kaido because he was scared of losing his crew. Kaido didn't want to get into it with Big Mom's crew at first, Mihawk back away from both Crocodile and Vista, Fujitora back out from Doflamingo even when directly attacked.

Greenbull - on the other hand - got bent over like Shanks just told him to pick up the soap. Frozen and then shaking in fear from 5 miles out. It also didn't help that Momo had just brought him to his knees a panel earlier.

I know this is hard for you to hear because you're most likely an admiral fan and your agenda got dick slapped in the last couple of years. So I'll let you slide here.

He won't get this

To his logic Old Rayleigh should be > Teach

 

[Fujishiro]

You mean the mickey mouse fights? Blud dodged the arguments I brought up and brings up the offscreen fights as evidence. I guess BM and Kaido are also equals?

We saw one fight of their and it seemed friendly.

But they fought many times before, why do you think they were Mickey Mouse fights?

 

[JoNdule]

You mean the mickey mouse fights? Blud dodged the arguments I brought up and brings up the offscreen fights as evidence. I guess BM and Kaido are also equals?

They arell nigh equals
Roger >= Sick Roger ~ WB
Kaido >= BM
Akainu >= Kizaru >= Kuzan > current Kuzan (loss of ambition and limb)

 

[Fujishiro]

@park_min young

''We met while trying to kill each other'' means Mickey Mouse fight to you ?

 

[Cruxroux]

They arell nigh equals
Roger >= Sick Roger ~ WB
Kaido >= BM
Akainu >= Kizaru >= Kuzan > current Kuzan (loss of ambition and limb)

Bro creating his own characters now.
" Sick Roger "

 

[comrade]

Probably just had the signature sky splitting clash between Yonko.

 

[park_min young]

We saw one fight of their and it seemed friendly.

But they fought many times before, why do you think they were Mickey Mouse fights?

Mickey mouse fights, of course Oda won’t show who can actually have the upper hand. He can’t even show Kaido looking superior to BM in their offscreen fight. Go reread the implications I brought up, Roger still has the edge over WB however small is the only issue that is up to interpretation.

And yes, it’s a mickey mouse fight because Roger pirates were never serious. Think about it, if they were truly fighting to the death then WBP shouldn’t exist already. Roger has Rayleigh and Gaban. Even if Roger was weaker than WB, the sheer difference in strenght between the crew members would be too much.

 

[nik87]

Yeah Shanks didn't want to bother with weaklings like Crydo and and Big Meme , Shanks knows very well real threat is Blackbeard and that Luffy is the man, he didn't give a flying fuck about Crydo .
Shanks knew very well Luffy is at Wano and is capable of taking down that fraud of Crydo.

Tell me you are agenda driven without telling me you are agenda driven...

Feats says otherwise but that is after postponement.....

That's why Zoro is the guy with the best feats in the show.
And Mihawk feeds off of him. He doesn't need to feed off of Shanks.
Do you realize who Mihawk has to fight? The strongest.

Because it's the people's opinion nik-san

the op people don't know shit about top tiers. More violent = higher bounty. Kaido had the highest active bounty before he died. Op people equate bounty to strength.

Violent and bounty is all nice and good but they never said the same for Kidd over Luffy.
Nor should they say the same for Kaido over Shanks due to bounty alone.
Kaido is the 1vs1 king. Or rather he was, until Mihawk reached his prime.

The same Mihawk who considers Shanks a has-been.
You are just looking for excuses to refuse admitting that Kaido stands atop of them all.
Drop the agendas and accept the facts. Facts matter more than agendas.

Yeah. Kaido himself putting Shanks in his top 5. where 3 of them are above kaido, and 1 almost killed kaido were it not for the old hag

Now what's your "evidence" for mohawk getting excluded from kaido's "1 v 1 bet" and "no one beats me" ?

None of the Kaido's top 5 are above Kaido, lol.
The list is made of people capable of fighting him. Nothing more, nothing less.
Big Mom is also capable of fighting him, she just ain't among the strongest 5 capable of that. It's the same for Yamato.

My "excuse" is obviously logic - Why a guy stronger than Shanks isn't among Kaido's top 5?
Because he has never fought him. Meanwhile, he did fight Shanks and still says - no one can beat him.
There are 3 eras in present-day One Piece, each belonging to one of the 3 World's Strongest.
Pre-TS is the Whitebeard's era, post-TS is Kaido's era and final saga is Mihawk's era.

At the end of the show, we will enter a 4th era of the World's Strongest.
And with time, the progression of World's Strongest is done so the strongest comes last:
Zoro>Mihawk>Kaido>Whitebeard
It is basic narrative logic, at least when you got no agendas running. When you do, then all kinds of mental gymnastics are needed.

So there are no exceptions to the rule except one exception.

Do you know why that one IS the exception?
Because he is the reason Kaido's title and 1vs1 are a rumor in the present.
He is the one who invalidated Kaido's title. Dont hand out Mihawk's feats to Shanks...
There is no plot requirement for Shanks to end up stronger than Kaido, he is not the World's Strongest.
He is not a representative of Power who will hand over the title of World's Strongest to whoever beats him.