Speculations Shanks is not who we think he is.
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Yeah. Shanks's Luffy's hero, he's the reason he became a pirate and wants to be PK in the first place. In a more cynical, darker story, Shanks bein evil would've been a likely twist but this is OP and Oda we're talkin abt. I don't believe for a second Shank's evil or even morally grey but there's a clear mystery abt his past.
Think he was on Xebec's ship during God Valley incident and Roger took him with him after Xebec's death. Shanks was only a year old at the time so it fits.
Think he was on Xebec's ship during God Valley incident and Roger took him with him after Xebec's death. Shanks was only a year old at the time so it fits.
Obvious? Shanks is the most goody goody kind of person since his introduction. I can’t see oda making him any kind of villain without completely retconning his entire character.
I don’t get why people bring up the elders. Shanks is just like a good version of Doffy, part CD so the gorosei listen to him.
I don’t get why people bring up the elders. Shanks is just like a good version of Doffy, part CD so the gorosei listen to him.
People bring up the Elders because Shanks having any influence or sway with people who quite literally exact genocides to hide secrets makes it a questionable interaction. He even politely thanks them for having the meeting.
What other reason would the author have that scene occur without context, if not to cause the reader concern about his character?
And to the people who keep saying it, Oda has never confirmed Shanks is good or bad. When asked in the context of Film Red if he was the villain or not, Oda simply said to watch the film. Ironically, he was the primary reason for the Antagonist in the film for existing.
This thread isnt even about Shanks being "LOL BAD". Its about him having motivations that do not exactly match Luffy's.
I mean, so is literally any other known antagonist that still exists, regardless of Shanks being one or not lol.
There isnt even a guarantee that reaching Laugh Tale automatically means any one person magically becomes PK. Who knows what happens by then, or even what happens to One Piece. All we know is that the PK is meant to do something with the treasure and the ancient weapons.
Hell, Oda might make it so that when they get there and find out everything, somebody else takes the One Piece (i.e. Shanks or Blackbeard)
What other reason would the author have that scene occur without context, if not to cause the reader concern about his character?
And to the people who keep saying it, Oda has never confirmed Shanks is good or bad. When asked in the context of Film Red if he was the villain or not, Oda simply said to watch the film. Ironically, he was the primary reason for the Antagonist in the film for existing.
This thread isnt even about Shanks being "LOL BAD". Its about him having motivations that do not exactly match Luffy's.
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I mean, so is literally any other known antagonist that still exists, regardless of Shanks being one or not lol.
There isnt even a guarantee that reaching Laugh Tale automatically means any one person magically becomes PK. Who knows what happens by then, or even what happens to One Piece. All we know is that the PK is meant to do something with the treasure and the ancient weapons.
Hell, Oda might make it so that when they get there and find out everything, somebody else takes the One Piece (i.e. Shanks or Blackbeard)
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True, there are options for sure, but it calls into question Shanks ability to even meet with Gorosei specifically. At least the CD option gives him credibility to do so, and to garner respect from Sengoku. Plus, being on God Valley when he was.
Its interesting for sure, whatever it is.
@ArturCantSpeakJapanese
Im not a firm believer of the "Final Antagonist" idea anymore (this thread is nearly 3 years old), but its fascinating how this paying off recently.
Still a ways to go to figure out if he's against Luffy or not though
Its interesting for sure, whatever it is.
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@ArturCantSpeakJapanese
Im not a firm believer of the "Final Antagonist" idea anymore (this thread is nearly 3 years old), but its fascinating how this paying off recently.
Still a ways to go to figure out if he's against Luffy or not though
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I disagree as far as "goals" go. Luffy started his journey by declaring that he will assemble the strongest crew and beat Shanks' crew.
Luffy wants to become the Pirate King because 1) he sees the Pirate King as the "freest person in the seas" and 2) to surpass Shanks.
Roger is just a man who was the previous Pirate King, so it is natural that comparisons will be made, but it is actually Shanks who is Luffy's endgame goal.
Now, you can say that Luffy will have to surpass Roger to achieve his dreams, but emotionally and psychologically, I simply don't see much connecting Roger to Luffy's dreams.
Luffy wants to become the Pirate King because 1) he sees the Pirate King as the "freest person in the seas" and 2) to surpass Shanks.
Roger is just a man who was the previous Pirate King, so it is natural that comparisons will be made, but it is actually Shanks who is Luffy's endgame goal.
Now, you can say that Luffy will have to surpass Roger to achieve his dreams, but emotionally and psychologically, I simply don't see much connecting Roger to Luffy's dreams.
