Powers & Abilities So, COA is Basically a Poor Man's COC at This Point
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There's no weak CoC if someone's capable of using adv CoC it's top level already. Only zoro/yamato haters in their copium induced delirium come up with that bullshit.
Doesn't mean that akainu with Adv CoA can't beat Yamato with Adv CoC but that's because his overall feats (durability, df, physical strength, experience, CoA, CoO) are superior. But CoC > CoA is always valid (as multiplier)
It's like comparing kaioken 1x, 10x and 100x vs SS1, SS2 and SS3. It's literally the superior ability, the capability to stand above others, determined by law of nature. Literally every fodder has access to CoA. 1 in a million inherits CoC. And a handful of those are powerful enough to unlock AdvCoC.
So yes, advCoC is the paid premium version of CoA
Doesn't mean that akainu with Adv CoA can't beat Yamato with Adv CoC but that's because his overall feats (durability, df, physical strength, experience, CoA, CoO) are superior. But CoC > CoA is always valid (as multiplier)
It's like comparing kaioken 1x, 10x and 100x vs SS1, SS2 and SS3. It's literally the superior ability, the capability to stand above others, determined by law of nature. Literally every fodder has access to CoA. 1 in a million inherits CoC. And a handful of those are powerful enough to unlock AdvCoC.
So yes, advCoC is the paid premium version of CoA
I think that all you describe is CoA and his advance form. Imo AdvCoC is a multiplier.
AdvCoC is able to enhance anything being CoA, CoO, a scream or the edge of a blade.
It makes more sense imo. BUT with how some of the Rokushiki technics are now poor man COA(Tekkai) or poor man CoO(Kamie), you might be right.
AdvCoC is able to enhance anything being CoA, CoO, a scream or the edge of a blade.
It makes more sense imo. BUT with how some of the Rokushiki technics are now poor man COA(Tekkai) or poor man CoO(Kamie), you might be right.
Been saying this since.
COC being an amplifier makes sense and it should've been described this way in the manga rather than the mess it is right now where there are lots of debates whether Character X used AdvCOC or only AdvCOA.
Basic COC = amplifies presence hence the intimidation factor
COC + COA = amplifies COA hence the overflowing black lightning
COC + COO = amplifies COO hence X-Ray vision and Future Sight
COC as an amplifier won't take anything away from COA and COO because it can only be used to knock out fodders on its own but will provide great advantage if it used to supplement to COA and COO.
COC being an amplifier makes sense and it should've been described this way in the manga rather than the mess it is right now where there are lots of debates whether Character X used AdvCOC or only AdvCOA.
Basic COC = amplifies presence hence the intimidation factor
COC + COA = amplifies COA hence the overflowing black lightning
COC + COO = amplifies COO hence X-Ray vision and Future Sight
COC as an amplifier won't take anything away from COA and COO because it can only be used to knock out fodders on its own but will provide great advantage if it used to supplement to COA and COO.
I would say there’s an overlap for now to show the potential of CoC haki, I’m sure there will be more you can do with it offensively. Oda is much better than just coa but better, I think we’re only scratching the surface for now. Plus not everyone can get conquerors haki so armament will always have its place, to be top tier without CoC you’ll probably need to pair your haki with a good fruit or the most elite scientific augmentation.
- Resisting DFs
- Doflamingo and Garp resisting Kuzan's freezing didn't seem to be COA
- Shanks undid Aramaki's logia transformation with his COC
- Enhancing attacks: standard Haoshoku coating
- Invisible armour: same as above
- Barrier
- Zoro uses a Haoshoku barrier to stop King from taking his swords
- Luffy against Kaido
- "No touch" COC in general
- Flow
- Attacks like Kamusari attain the same effect of flying slashes/projectiles imbued with COA/Ryuo
There are levels to CoC so thats why CoA is still important.
For example Zolo's and Yamato's CoA is weak, even Lucci without DF blocks Zolo's CoA + special swords and Ace blocks Yamato's CoA + club attacks so Zolo and Yamato need CoA + CoC combination to do damage vs Lucci and Ace.
If someone has much better CoA, such as Teach or Shiryu, (who can block mountain slash with 1 barehand only or pierce Garp's CoA with sword) add same amount of CoC and their Haki is stronger than Zolo's and Yamato's overall.
Sky splitting CoC and superior level CoC saves weaker CoA users like Luffy but it doesn't save Zolo. This debunks your thread.
Also Big Mom and Kaido stopped Law's teleportation via superior CoA unless you believe Law is a CoC user now too, that was CoA so that debunks your argument again.
For example Zolo's and Yamato's CoA is weak, even Lucci without DF blocks Zolo's CoA + special swords and Ace blocks Yamato's CoA + club attacks so Zolo and Yamato need CoA + CoC combination to do damage vs Lucci and Ace.
If someone has much better CoA, such as Teach or Shiryu, (who can block mountain slash with 1 barehand only or pierce Garp's CoA with sword) add same amount of CoC and their Haki is stronger than Zolo's and Yamato's overall.
Sky splitting CoC and superior level CoC saves weaker CoA users like Luffy but it doesn't save Zolo. This debunks your thread.
Also Big Mom and Kaido stopped Law's teleportation via superior CoA unless you believe Law is a CoC user now too, that was CoA so that debunks your argument again.
You're listing CoA /haki abilities with are boosted by CoC
No touch CoC is done with adcoa or ryuo
BTW CoC has always been something that doesn't need any touch/contact
Doffy used his strings and CoC and Garp used CoC
WB used Gura.
Ice is solid, it isnt hax sick-sick abitlies or Law's hax abilities
Law, BM, Kaido used haki(CoA) to resist hax abitlies
No touch CoC is done with adcoa or ryuo
BTW CoC has always been something that doesn't need any touch/contact
Doffy used his strings and CoC and Garp used CoC
WB used Gura.
Ice is solid, it isnt hax sick-sick abitlies or Law's hax abilities
Law, BM, Kaido used haki(CoA) to resist hax abitlies
Base Yamato can physically match G2/3
Yet see the difference when it comes to their impact on Kaidou.
Luffy has better CoA than Yamato, hence he is able to flow CoC better - even though he's physically inferior (atleast in base).
CoA is still important, because the skill of "flowing" is what determines how Powerful your CoC attacks are.
Yet see the difference when it comes to their impact on Kaidou.
Luffy has better CoA than Yamato, hence he is able to flow CoC better - even though he's physically inferior (atleast in base).
CoA is still important, because the skill of "flowing" is what determines how Powerful your CoC attacks are.
Not sure tbh. conqueror's Haki just increases the potency of what you have, while armament Haki gives you specific techniques.
Hardening:
Not only boosts your attack, but also acts as a defense, be it if your hardened body parts, like the fist, come into contact with lethal things, or as a means to protect yourself from incoming attacks, like Zoro protecting himself from King's explosion or Lucci blocking Zoro's slash.
Barrier/Flow:
An extension of hardening, which allows you to increase the AoE of your attacks and defense. It is also a crucial part of swordsmanship, as this flow effectively channeled through your blade allows you to cut through anything. I do not believe that conqueror's Haki can act here as a substitute. It's not confirmed that the barrier used in those attacks comes from CoC. The "no touch" thing is when two CoCs collide, while outside of it, pure CoC attacks had been seen making physical contact (like Kaido's blows that connected). When Luffy was hitting Kaido without touching him, he was combining CoC with CoA, so you cannot attribute it solely to CoC.
Internal Destruction:
The ability to bypass obstacles or ignore durability to damage the opponent from the inside out. That is not something achieved with CoC. Combining internal destruction CoA with CoC would allow you to add potency to those attacks.
And while CoC can interrupt DF abilities, I'm not sure a punch with nothing but CoC could bypass Logia intangibility. But even if it can, armament does have the 3 advantages mentioned above.
Hardening:
Not only boosts your attack, but also acts as a defense, be it if your hardened body parts, like the fist, come into contact with lethal things, or as a means to protect yourself from incoming attacks, like Zoro protecting himself from King's explosion or Lucci blocking Zoro's slash.
Barrier/Flow:
An extension of hardening, which allows you to increase the AoE of your attacks and defense. It is also a crucial part of swordsmanship, as this flow effectively channeled through your blade allows you to cut through anything. I do not believe that conqueror's Haki can act here as a substitute. It's not confirmed that the barrier used in those attacks comes from CoC. The "no touch" thing is when two CoCs collide, while outside of it, pure CoC attacks had been seen making physical contact (like Kaido's blows that connected). When Luffy was hitting Kaido without touching him, he was combining CoC with CoA, so you cannot attribute it solely to CoC.
Internal Destruction:
The ability to bypass obstacles or ignore durability to damage the opponent from the inside out. That is not something achieved with CoC. Combining internal destruction CoA with CoC would allow you to add potency to those attacks.
And while CoC can interrupt DF abilities, I'm not sure a punch with nothing but CoC could bypass Logia intangibility. But even if it can, armament does have the 3 advantages mentioned above.
For my understanding CoC alone does pretty much nothing other than enhancing all of the skills you can perform via color of armament, which happens to be the haki type that works as an invisible and fluid armor.
For all those, what we'd call adCoC moves, you first and foremost need the respective CoA skills.
Along those lines of thinking I don't think stuff like internal damaging or barrier like CoC exists by itself. Those are always CoC enhanced/infused adCoA moves. It's why Kaido explicitly was highlighting Luffy's usage of CoA along his use of CoC and G5's free willing fighting style.
Edit: It's also why a CoC enhanced base kick (vs Kizaru) and a CoC infused ID CoA haki blast channeled through a leg kick are worlds apart in power and damage potential for example.
For all those, what we'd call adCoC moves, you first and foremost need the respective CoA skills.
Along those lines of thinking I don't think stuff like internal damaging or barrier like CoC exists by itself. Those are always CoC enhanced/infused adCoA moves. It's why Kaido explicitly was highlighting Luffy's usage of CoA along his use of CoC and G5's free willing fighting style.
Edit: It's also why a CoC enhanced base kick (vs Kizaru) and a CoC infused ID CoA haki blast channeled through a leg kick are worlds apart in power and damage potential for example.
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