Fanclub Temple of The Grandmaster Zoro

[Gran D. Master]

Whether it's a regular dragon or Kaido, dragons should have a very high level of base durability. Nola the snake from Skypeia was so tough that neither Zoro nor Luffy could break through her skin. A dragon which is a mythical beast, one with special significance in Asian mythology no less, should be far more durable than Nola. So your example isn't really the best in this case. Nonetheless I think Kaido's durability is something else, he shrugged off a 10km fall while Big Mom was shitting herself falling from the Chateau. Which makes it all the more impressive that Zoro is going to cut him and surpass Oden.



I can't see the kanji very well since it's blurred but from what I could read, there's no mention of eastern dragons, just the difference between kanji at Oda uses to describe different kinds of dragons. For example, the 'dragon' kanji in Celestial Dragon is different from the one used to describe Kaido, and meanwhile Monkey D Dragon's name is in katakana.

Ryuma cutting down some dragon doesn't equate to him being able to do the same to Kaido, simple as that.

 

[Ice devil slayer]

I mean Zoro who's far weaker than Ryuma will be able to cut Kaido
Ryuma should do the same even worse
Simple as that :cheers:

 

[Light D Lamperouge]

I can't see the kanji very well since it's blurred but from what I could read, there's no mention of eastern dragons, just the difference between kanji at Oda uses to describe different kinds of dragons. For example, the 'dragon' kanji in Celestial Dragon is different from the one used to describe Kaido, and meanwhile Monkey D Dragon's name is in katakana.

Ight, thank you.

How are you btw man? Haven't seen you posting a lot recently.

 

[Gran D. Master]

I mean Zoro who's far weaker than Ryuma will be able to cut Kaido
Ryuma should do the same even worse
Simple as that :cheers:

I hope it doesn't turn out Ryuma = Oden

 

[Den_Den_Mushi]

Ryuma cutting down some dragon doesn't equate to him being able to do the same to Kaido, simple as that.

We don't know much about Ryuma or the dragon, that much is true. However, Zoro has still yet to cut down a real dragon, the fake one at PH was merely a warm up. The dragon-slaying legend was mentioned in OP magazine and is a huge part of Ryuma's story, so it is only logical to expect Zoro to land a decisive cut on Kaido. Otherwise how is Zoro's name to reach the heavens? Ryuma is the only character in the series with a combat related 'god' title, which should suggest that he was probably a top tier during his time.

Ight, thank you.

How are you btw man? Haven't seen you posting a lot recently.

I'm good, tbh the Oden flashback isn't that interesting (don't really like Kinemon much lol) so I haven't been posting. Once Sir Green returns to the spotlight however, that's a different story

 

[MD Zolo]

Nonetheless I think Kaido's durability is something else, he shrugged off a 10km fall while Big Mom was shitting herself falling from the Chateau. Which makes it all the more impressive that Zoro is going to cut him and surpass Oden.

I mean Zoro who's far weaker than Ryuma will be able to cut Kaido

While the optimism is great, I don't get your confidence regarding the issue. Zoro cutting Kaido is not set in stone, at all.

 

[Finalbeta]

I mean Zoro who's far weaker than Ryuma will be able to cut Kaido
Ryuma should do the same even worse
Simple as that :cheers:

Yes he is definitely stronger going by this reasoning

 

[nik87]

Right because we all saw base Kaido having trouble tanking luffy's attacks. But oh well, you're the same guy that says enma didn't make Zoro stronger even though Zoro himself said it will...
What's next? Ryuma > Roger because Roger is human and Ryuma could cut human skin? Honestly that was a bad joke because you probably really believe that

Yeah and we all saw that Luffy mentioned scales despite doing nothing to Kaido's form which has no scales.
Yes, I am the guy who says that Enma didnt make Zoro stronger and by now even you realized it but you keep playing stupid...
I never said Ryuma>Kaido just because he can cut him, that's your headcanon. Many people can cut Kaido, it doesnt equate to beating Kaido.

Ryuma cutting down some dragon doesn't equate to him being able to do the same to Kaido, simple as that.

If the scales are the same and Kaido doesnt buff his own durability additionally with CoA, yes, it exactly equates to that. Common sense.

 

[Finalbeta]

-4 by the way

But I suppose we will get to see more of Oden than Zoro

 

[Light D Lamperouge]

I'm good, tbh the Oden flashback isn't that interesting (don't really like Kinemon much lol) so I haven't been posting. Once Sir Green returns to the spotlight however, that's a different story

Yeah, I get it. The breaks aren't helping as well.

That, or maybe some Godhawk hype soon. That should spark things up.

 

[Ice devil slayer]

While the optimism is great, I don't get your confidence regarding the issue. Zoro cutting Kaido is not set in stone, at all.

Zoro Will repeat what Oden did..that's why he got Enma imo

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Yeah and we all saw that Luffy mentioned scales despite doing nothing to Kaido's form which has no scales.
Yes, I am the guy who says that Enma didnt make Zoro stronger and by now even you realized it but you keep playing stupid...
I never said Ryuma>Kaido just because he can cut him, that's your headcanon. Many people can cut Kaido, it doesnt equate to beating Kaido.

If the scales are the same and Kaido doesnt buff his own durability additionally with CoA, yes, it exactly equates to that. Common sense.

When did Luffy mentioned Kaido's scales ?

 

[MD Zolo]

Zoro Will repeat what Oden did..that's why he got Enma imo

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When did Luffy mentioned Kaido's scales ?

I understand and expect that. But I don't have that much confidence about it yet. Zoro hasn't met any Yonkou (except Yami Teach) and he hasn't faced any YC tier fighters in NW (I don't know if we can count Killer). So, there is still a leap to be made.

And if Zoro cutting Kaido ends up causing a skin-deep cut to Kaido, rather than crucially wounding him, it wouldn't look good.

 

[Light D Lamperouge]

When did Luffy mentioned Kaido's scales ?

Spoiler

 

[Ice devil slayer]

Spoiler

Thanks man ! So his scales are protecting him even in human form ?

I understand and expect that. But I don't have that much confidence about it yet. Zoro hasn't met any Yonkou (except Yami Teach) and he hasn't faced any YC tier fighters in NW (I don't know if we can count Killer). So, there is still a leap to be made.

And if Zoro cutting Kaido ends up causing a skin-deep cut to Kaido, rather than crucially wounding him, it wouldn't look good.

True but i have faith
Hopefully Zoro will do something amazing against kaido

 

[Light D Lamperouge]

Thanks man ! So his scales are protecting him even in human form ?

Seems to be the case.

 

[Gran D. Master]

I am the guy who says that Enma didnt make Zoro stronger and by now even you realized it but you keep playing stupid...

Zoro still disagrees with you. Your denial is pathetic

If the scales are the same and Kaido doesnt buff his own durability additionally with CoA, yes, it exactly equates to that. Common sense.

Pre-timeskip Sanji was able to one-shot a dinosaur in little garden. Does that equate to pre-timeskip Sanji being able to one-shot Drake/Page One or any other dinosaur Zoan user from Kaido's crew if they don't buff their durability with CoA? Nope. Try again

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And boy, how much do I love this panel...

It's Zoro basically saying "@nik87 take my dick outta your mouth"

 

[nik87]

Zoro still disagrees with you. Your denial is pathetic

Zoro doesnt disagree with me. Zoro speaks about getting used to Enma(Haki training).
I never said Haki training doesnt make you stronger, I said Enma doesnt make you stronger, Haki training does, it did during TS training too.
If all his Haki training ends up learning how to contain Haki/stop Enma from sapping it away more than intended, I need you to point it out in the future how containing Haki made him stronger.
If Enma made him stronger the moment he picked it up, he wouldnt say what he said. That makes your arguments pathetic.

Pre-timeskip Sanji was able to one-shot a dinosaur in little garden. Does that equate to pre-timeskip Sanji being able to one-shot Drake/Page One or any other dinosaur Zoan user from Kaido's crew if they don't buff their durability with CoA? Nope. Try again

Do those dinosaurs have tough dragon scales on them? No, they dont. Next.

And boy, how much do I love this panel...

It's Zoro basically saying "@nik87 take my dick outta your mouth"

This panel only proves you wrong when you claim that Enma makes Zoro stronger when Zoro clearly refers to Haki training.

 

[Den_Den_Mushi]

Zoro still disagrees with you. Your denial is pathetic



Pre-timeskip Sanji was able to one-shot a dinosaur in little garden. Does that equate to pre-timeskip Sanji being able to one-shot Drake/Page One or any other dinosaur Zoan user from Kaido's crew if they don't buff their durability with CoA? Nope. Try again

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And boy, how much do I love this panel...

It's Zoro basically saying "@nik87 take my dick outta your mouth"

Can we put an end to this asinine debate? The key word is ‘once he gets used to this’ (なれる). Currently, Zoro’s use of Haki is inefficient, meaning he uses far more than he needs to. Training with Enma means that he will necessarily have to learn to control himself better, lest he wear himself out in one or two strikes. Mihawk’s philosophy is not using an ounce more force than he needs to, which means Zoro has a long way to go before he catches up to his master’s level of finesse. So far, he hasn’t done anything with Enma he wasn’t already capable of. The sword just challenges him to master his Haki usage.

In fact, Mihawk himself stated that Zoro’s trash tier east blue katanas would have withstood a strike from Yoru had he coated them in Haki. A sword in itself isn’t a power up, give Mihawk a wooden stick and he’d still beat the shit out of 99% of the verse. If swords really were that big of a deal, why not get Hitetsu to make swords for the alliance or at least the scabbards? Why not a new one for Brook since that cane is old and not even a meito? The message of the series has always been that the user matters, not the weapon.

 

[nik87]

Can we put an end to this asinine debate? The key word is ‘once he gets used to this’ (なれる). Currently, Zoro’s use of Haki is inefficient, meaning he uses far more than he needs to. Training with Enma means that he will necessarily have to learn to control himself better, lest he wear himself out in one or two strikes. Mihawk’s philosophy is not using an ounce more force than he needs to, which means Zoro has a long way to go before he catches up to his master’s level of finesse. So far, he hasn’t done anything with Enma he wasn’t already capable of. The sword just challenges him to master his Haki usage.

In fact, Mihawk himself stated that Zoro’s trash tier east blue katanas would have withstood a strike from Yoru had he coated them in Haki. A sword in itself isn’t a power up, give Mihawk a wooden stick and he’d still beat the shit out of 99% of the verse. If swords really were that big of a deal, why not get Hitetsu to make swords for the alliance or at least the scabbards? Why not a new one for Brook since that cane is old and not even a meito? The message of the series has always been that the user matters, not the weapon.

That is hard to accept for people who think Enma is magic sword tier 7 and want a power-up label on it...

 

[ShadyOjiro]

While the optimism is great, I don't get your confidence regarding the issue. Zoro cutting Kaido is not set in stone, at all.

If we follow the Shonem route( the way things are introduced)......

Enma should meet again Kaido and in hands of the future WSS should be something easy to accept .

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I understand and expect that. But I don't have that much confidence about it yet. Zoro hasn't met any Yonkou (except Yami Teach) and he hasn't faced any YC tier fighters in NW (I don't know if we can count Killer). So, there is still a leap to be made.

And if Zoro cutting Kaido ends up causing a skin-deep cut to Kaido, rather than crucially wounding him, it wouldn't look good.

If Zoro cuts Kaido and does less damage than Oden then wew I wonder when the "big" progress to be WSS is gonna appear.

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Zoro still disagrees with you. Your denial is pathetic



Pre-timeskip Sanji was able to one-shot a dinosaur in little garden. Does that equate to pre-timeskip Sanji being able to one-shot Drake/Page One or any other dinosaur Zoan user from Kaido's crew if they don't buff their durability with CoA? Nope. Try again

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And boy, how much do I love this panel...

It's Zoro basically saying "@nik87 take my dick outta your mouth"