Fanclub Temple of The Grandmaster Zoro

[Gran D. Master]

How do you think Luffy would do against Zoro and Sanji in those scenarios:

R1-Luffy with fs but no gears allowed
R2- Luffy with fs and able to use gear 2 and 3

imo Zoro wins the first one mid diff, Sanji wins very high diff
The second one Zoro loses extreme diff, Sanji loses on the edge of mid diff

I wanted to do a third one with them both against G4 Luffy without fs but I remembered that Sanji got no-diffed by Doffy so he wouldn't be of much help. It would depend on how much the raid suit would help him

 

[Ice devil slayer]

It's unfair Luffy is getting all the fights against strong characters while Zoro never went all out..atm it looks like Luffy mid diff him at most..smh

 

[Gran D. Master]

If Zoro uses Asura do you think he will maintain that form and fight in it for a period of time, or will it be used as a single-attack power up?

 

[Cyrus the Cactus]

If Zoro uses Asura do you think he will maintain that form and fight in it for a period of time, or will it be used as a single-attack power up?

He should be able to maintain it by now. But if he did partial manifestations of Asura too that’d be pretty awesome. Having extra swords materialize out of thin air to help block or something...but saying it like that makes me wonder if Asura has something to do with Haki, like BoaT wound up being related to Haki.

 

[Gran D. Master]

He should be able to maintain it by now. But if he did partial manifestations of Asura too that’d be pretty awesome. Having extra swords materialize out of thin air to help block or something...but saying it like that makes me wonder if Asura has something to do with Haki, like BoaT wound up being related to Haki.

Oh it must be haki. Just like Shanks apparently beats everyone in the verse despite not having a wss, wsm or wsc title, he's still stronger than them because of his haki; it's so strong he literally creates a haki ghost to beat the shit out of his opponents while he just stands there. So maybe pre ts Zoro was already capable of doing what Shanks does

 

[HA001]

Oh it must be haki. Just like Shanks apparently beats everyone in the verse despite not having a wss, wsm or wsc title, he's still stronger than them because of his haki; it's so strong he literally creates a haki ghost to beat the shit out of his opponents while he just stands there. So maybe pre ts Zoro was already capable of doing what Shanks does

It was never a single attack

 

[Gran D. Master]

It was never a single attack

But it was used very vaguely and only displayed offensive ability. I want the mechanics of Asura to be expanded upon more and be able to see how it affects things like speed, mobility, damage output, physical strength etc. Also I'd like to see it used on the defensive, like blocking or deflecting an extremely overpowered attack

 

[HA001]

But it was used very vaguely and only displayed offensive ability. I want the mechanics of Asura to be expanded upon more and be able to see how it affects things like speed, mobility, damage output, physical strength etc. Also I'd like to see it used on the defensive, like blocking or deflecting an extremely overpowered attack

Like kakus kick stronger than the one that broke the tower ?

 

[Gran D. Master]

Like kakus kick stronger than the one that broke the tower ?

something like that but much stronger. Basically an attack that would guarantee to kill him if he tried to take it head on in his standard form; something like King's own hybrid form, advanced CoA, flame imbued version of ISDS

 

[HA001]

something like that but much stronger. Basically an attack that would guarantee to kill him if he tried to take it head on in his standard form; something like King's own hybrid form, advanced CoA, flame imbued version of ISDS

The problem oda had was asura was literally an asspull. It triples his AP and zoro already hits hard. Even on sabaody when he used it people dont realise it doesnt heal wounds and what not yet a half dead from thriller bark matched the other 2.
Zoro post timeskip already hits like a truck. Thats why odas waited so long.

 

[Reborn]

The reason we haven't see asura yet is mainly because Zoro didn't come across opponent in one vs one that can push him beyond his limits.

Also, I think this time his asura would be totally different due to Oda consistent emphasis on his aura and one of the eye being closed. It's like Oda deliberately hold onto it for wano

 

[Gran D. Master]

The problem oda had was asura was literally an asspull. It triples his AP and zoro already hits hard. Even on sabaody when he used it people dont realise it doesnt heal wounds and what not yet a half dead from thriller bark matched the other 2.
Zoro post timeskip already hits like a truck. Thats why odas waited so long.

I would prefer if Asura put emphasis on more than attack power. All we've seen from Zoro post ts is him being able to deal enormous amounts of damage with a huge linear area of effect. I want a fight that will challenge him technically like Katakuri did Luffy, because just being able to hit hard proves you can only defeat enemies who are unable to evade, but it doesn't really put Zoro in a good light if he himself was to face an opponent like Katakuri, who would be under no threat against the fighting style we've seen from Zoro so far

 

[Guan Yu]

For you guys whom moaning over Zoro don't have enough fight and thinking that he's nowhere near Luffy, just remember this: there are no one else in Kuragaina island who can fight Zoro except Mihawk.


So yeah, I'll remain stand on my opinion that Luffy only able to reach Zoro's level again after the end of WCI.

 

[Gran D. Master]

For you guys whom moaning over Zoro don't have enough fight and thinking that he's nowhere near Luffy, just remember this: there are no one else in Kuragaina island who can fight Zoro except Mihawk.


So yeah, I'll remain stand on my opinion that Luffy only able to reach Zoro's level again after the end of WCI.

just remember that this is a shonen manga and Luffy is the MC.
It doesn't matter if Zoro deserves to be stronger than him and how hard and with who he trained is irrelevant, this isn't his story. Not to mention that if you are the captain you are by default stronger than all of your crewmembers. The only way I see Zoro being allowed to temporarily surpass Luffy is if he leaves the crew because then he wouldn't have the 'inferior to my captain' restraint on him

 

[ShadyOjiro]

I would prefer if Asura put emphasis on more than attack power. All we've seen from Zoro post ts is him being able to deal enormous amounts of damage with a huge linear area of effect. I want a fight that will challenge him technically like Katakuri did Luffy, because just being able to hit hard proves you can only defeat enemies who are unable to evade, but it doesn't really put Zoro in a good light if he himself was to face an opponent like Katakuri, who would be under no threat against the fighting style we've seen from Zoro so far

I think he will definitely grow or develop this aspect.

But also depends of .....if Ashura speed attack is absurdly high....like maybe now the speed is also multiplied that would be a nice PU.

This would make FS users struggle a lot of or simply get overwhelmed.

To even land a hit into Mihawk body a lot in several aspects is required.

 

[Gran D. Master]

I think he will definitely grow or develop this aspect.

But also depends of .....if Ashura speed attack is absurdly high....like maybe now the speed is also multiplied that would be a nice PU.

This would make FS users struggle a lot of or simply get overwhelmed.

To even land a hit into Mihawk body a lot in several aspects is required.

That's what I mean. To land an attack on somebody like that requires both high attack speed even more importantly attack frequency, like we've seen with jet culverin

 

[ShadyOjiro]

just remember that this is a shonen manga and Luffy is the MC.
It doesn't matter if Zoro deserves to be stronger than him and how hard and with who he trained is irrelevant, this isn't his story. Not to mention that if you are the captain you are by default stronger than all of your crewmembers. The only way I see Zoro being allowed to temporarily surpass Luffy is if he leaves the crew because then he wouldn't have the 'inferior to my captain' restraint on him

I see Luffy and Zoro as close to equals tbh.

Just by basing on their dreams one gets such.

Otherwise Oda would need to destroy one of his main characters dream (WSS) which so far he hasn't done instead he decided to not show a lot about it leaving vague judgement to the readers.

 

[Gran D. Master]

I see Luffy and Zoro as close to equals tbh.

Just by basing on their dreams one gets such.

Otherwise Oda would need to destroy one of his main characters dream (WSS) which so far he hasn't done instead he decided to not show a lot about it leaving vague judgement to the readers.

He doesn't need to destroy anything. He will probably have Zoro fight Mihawk some time before Luffy fights the final villain so both get good portrayal, with Luffy obviously beating the stronger opponent in the end

 

[ShadyOjiro]

He doesn't need to destroy anything. He will probably have Zoro fight Mihawk some time before Luffy fights the final villain so both get good portrayal, with Luffy obviously beating the stronger opponent in the end

Zoro will stop fighting?(one gets this from such comment of yours)

Or simply Zoro defeats Mihawk and will say now I retire.

Luffy grow stops on one point and then it no longer required to increase....Zoro goal never stops growing unless you make him Mihawk v2.

 

[Gran D. Master]

Zoro will stop fighting?(one gets this from such comment of yours)

Or simply Zoro defeats Mihawk and will say now I retire.

Luffy grow stops on one point and then it no longer required to increase....Zoro goal never stops growing unless you make him Mihawk v2.

when Zoro becomes WSS that will be his peak. After that he will defend his title or look to challenge other strong swordsmen; it doesn't mean any other swordsman will ever reach Zoro's level. Plus, like I said before, it's Luffy's shonen dude