Fanclub Temple of The Grandmaster Zoro

[KiriNigiri]

King breaks it.

Either way, there's not really any reason for Zoro to take Nidai over Sandai

On a serious note, I alluded to my reason for why Zoro should keep the Sandai Kitetsu over the Nidai Kitetsu. The main reason being Sandai Kitetsu's longevity. It's been there for all of Zoro's Grandline battles, as well as his New World Battles. Unlike most of his other swords, it's the only one he's own that is patently his. There's never been an implication the sword's held him back, and by the time he has to replace it, we're already at the endgame.

The Nidai Kitetsu also doesn't seem all that different from the Sandai Kitetsu, being just another cursed sword. It presents no new challenge for Zoro to overcome in order to master it. Shusui was its weight and power output, Enma was its forceful haki consumption. Nidai Kitetsu? Just a cursed blade once more. It offers nothing new, while its time with Zoro would be comparatively brief before the series end.

 

[Cinera]

Nidai Kitetsu? Just a cursed blade once more. It offers nothing new, while its time with Zoro would be comparatively brief before the series end.

It's stronger.

Unlike most of his other swords, it's the only one he's own that is patently his

Not really. He inherited the will of the weapons shop owner who gifted it to him.


Okay, why introduce the Nidai Kitetsu, have Luffy wield it and have Zoro show interest in it?

 

[Zowo]

The Nidai Kitetsu also doesn't seem all that different from the Sandai Kitetsu, being just another cursed sword.

one of 21 great grade swords meanwhile sandai has no rank

 

[KiriNigiri]

Not really. He inherited the will of the weapons shop owner who gifted it to him.

That was the Yubashiri.

Okay, why introduce the Nidai Kitetsu, have Luffy wield it and have Zoro show interest in it?

It's stronger.

And there are 12 Saijo O Wazamono's greater than it. By this logic, he should receive the Shodai Kitetsu, and the window for owning it is even shorter.

one of 21 great grade swords meanwhile sandai has no rank

See the above.

The thing is, you guy's points are just "it's stronger" when Zoro hasn't had any issue growing stronger with the Sandai Kitetsu.

 

[nik87]

Different ranks of 3 Kitetsu's will show that WSS-to-be is the best master swordsman and doesnt need only supreme grade blades.

 

[Cinera]

That was the Yubashiri.

I think it also applied for Sandai? Do you know what chapter it is so I can reread it?

And there are 12 Saijo O Wazamono's greater than it. By this logic, he should receive the Shodai Kitetsu, and the window for owning it is even shorter.

Well Zoro hasn't seen it yet. Besides, Sandai -> Nidai -> Shodai is a more natural progression than Sandai -> Shodai.

The thing is, you guy's points are just "it's stronger" when Zoro hasn't had any issue growing stronger with the Sandai Kitetsu.

This does not at all address this:

Okay, why introduce the Nidai Kitetsu, have Luffy wield it and have Zoro show interest in it?

Perhaps you don't want Zoro to replace the Sandai, but the points about the Nidai stand.

Besides "Zoro hasn't had any issue growing stronger with the Sandai Kitetsu" is faulty logic. Zoro can grow stronger with any decent sword he wields. It doesn't mean that moving to a stronger sword wouldn't make him even stronger.

 

[Cinera]

Different ranks of 3 Kitetsu's will show that WSS-to-be is the best master swordsman and doesnt need only supreme grade blades.

Bad fanfiction.

Besides, why should Zoro lose the Wado Ichimonji?

 

[Zenos7]

Do you know what chapter it is so I can reread it?

97

 

[nik87]

Bad fanfiction.
Besides, why should Zoro lose the Wado Ichimonji?

I dont think he will lose it. Once he is WSS I think he will give it back to Koshiro.

 

[Cinera]

I dont think he will lose it. Once he is WSS I think he will give it back to Koshiro.

So he won't replace the Wado until after he becomes WSS? Why change blades then?

 

[KiriNigiri]

I think it also applied for Sandai? Do you know what chapter it is so I can reread it?

97.

Well Zoro hasn't seen it yet. Besides, Sandai -> Nidai -> Shodai is a more natural progression than Sandai -> Shodai.

My point was if Zoro will go from Sandai to Nidai because the latter is stronger, then he would naturally go to Shodai afterwards. That's the logic. My problem is that he'd be going through swords left and right in such a short span. And if the solution is to not bother upgrading to the Shodai, then what was the point of upgrading at all?

This does not at all address this:

There's no point in addressing it because the Nidai Kitetsu's purpose hasn't been made clear. It falling in the hands of Zoro is but the obvious prediction, but it's not at all confirmed. But if you want my counterpoint to the likelihood, Zoro needs a reason to want it.

Zoro doesn't replace swords just because a stronger one is available. As long as he has 3 swords, he's good. Part of Mihawk's training was to never allow his swords to break. And he's held good on that. For him to suddenly have one of them break undermines his whole training as well as character growth which led to him throwing away his pride for Luffy's sake. All for what? A hollow power up who's only contribution to the story so far was helping Luffy play Samurai.

Perhaps you don't want Zoro to replace the Sandai, but the points about the Nidai stand.

Fair enough. That was my point to begin with. A case for the Sandai Kitetsu remaining.

 

[nik87]

So he won't replace the Wado until after he becomes WSS? Why change blades then?

To fulfill my fetish of 3 Kitetsus.

 

[Cinera]

To fulfill my fetish of 3 Kitetsus.

Well, there's probably a fanfic of it.

Part of Mihawk's training was to never allow his swords to break. And he's held good on that. For him to suddenly have one of them break undermines his whole training as well as character growth which led to him throwing away his pride for Luffy's sake. All for what? A hollow power up who's only contribution to the story so far was helping Luffy play Samurai.

I don't think this makes Zoro's sword immune to breaking, not if he faced an opponent with significantly stronger COA. But I do agree that Zoro's sword breaking would leave a bad taste in my mouth.

 

[KiriNigiri]

I don't think this makes Zoro's sword immune to breaking,

Never said that. I meant that it would undermine it. Especially if the reason behind why it needed to was because of some "obligatory" upgrade. Maybe if Oda had centered more of Zoro's Wano story around the Nidai Kitetsu, I'd be more open to him getting it, but there's been nothing outside of some minor observations. Some even gags.

Meanwhile, this is how Zoro received the Sandai Kitetsu.

 

[Cinera]

Never said that. I meant that it would undermine it. Especially if the reason behind why it needed to was because of some "obligatory" upgrade. Maybe if Oda had centered more of Zoro's Wano story around the Nidai Kitetsu, I'd be more open to him getting it, but there's been nothing outside of some minor observations. Some even gags.

Meanwhile, this is how Zoro received the Sandai Kitetsu.

Fair enough, let's wait and see.

 

[Don DaSlayer]

I wanna join this club btw is there a GoatHawk fanclub?

 

[Finalbeta]

I wanna join this club btw is there a GoatHawk fanclub?

Yes

 

[Cinera]

I wanna join this club btw is there a GoatHawk fanclub?

Not that I'm aware. There is a general swordsman fan club though.

 

[Sunita]

Why am I not part of here yet?

A while ago I asked to be here

@Guan Yu add me please!

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1188477250535968769

 

[Guan Yu]

I wanna join this club btw is there a GoatHawk fanclub?

We talked about Mihawk in here too