Fanclub Temple of The Grandmaster Zoro
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- Tags #zoro bodies your fave #zoro is unparalleled in all existence 110 cm all hail peroroncino carrot better than moss head chopper solos cruzeiro cruzeiro cryyyys kings titties > zoros nik belongs in an asylum pero a bitch weakling what happened to the good tags? why is zoro not the main character? woro carries mid piece zoro zoro > luffy zoro > your fav
That's because the Shichibukai is essentially the elite of a Yonkou's crew, only amplified more so.
Mihawk ~ Any Top Tier
Doflamingo, Boa Hancock, Kuma ~ Top Commanders
Crocodile, Jinbe ~ Lower End Commanders
Moriah ~ Lazy trash
I've always taken the idea of the Shichibukai as a unit comprised entirely of Yonkou Commander tier fighters with Mihawk being the only one truly capable of stopping an Emperor in single combat, the others manage to keep the entire crew from advancing / operating with impunity.
Mihawk ~ Any Top Tier
Doflamingo, Boa Hancock, Kuma ~ Top Commanders
Crocodile, Jinbe ~ Lower End Commanders
Moriah ~ Lazy trash
I've always taken the idea of the Shichibukai as a unit comprised entirely of Yonkou Commander tier fighters with Mihawk being the only one truly capable of stopping an Emperor in single combat, the others manage to keep the entire crew from advancing / operating with impunity.
Nooo Hiyori is way better than Tashigi 
Hiyori
Tashigi
Hiyori
- Bitch slapped Orochi
- Ran away to protect Kawamatsu
- Evaded Killer while protecting Otoko
Tashigi
- looks down on Zoro and berates him even when he saves her
- has never won any onscreen fight
- assumes Zoro doesn't want to fight her because of gender
Zoro marrying Hiyori may also be his chance to usurp Momo and become Shogun of Wano heh heh 
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We know that Moriah fought Kaido and Crocodile fought WB. Jinbei pushed BM back in WCI.
So, these guys may be nowhere near as strong as Yonkous but they don't stay down and they don't fear anything.
I guess Hiyori is marginally better than Tashigi. But only marginally. And she is still a suspect.
So, these guys may be nowhere near as strong as Yonkous but they don't stay down and they don't fear anything.
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Nooo Hiyori is way better than Tashigi
Hiyori
Tashigi
Hiyori
- Bitch slapped Orochi
- Ran away to protect Kawamatsu
- Evaded Killer while protecting Otoko
Tashigi
- looks down on Zoro and berates him even when he saves her
- has never won any onscreen fight
- assumes Zoro doesn't want to fight her because of gender
Zoro marrying Hiyori may also be his chance to usurp Momo and become Shogun of Wano heh heh
Nooo Hiyori is way better than Tashigi
Hiyori
Tashigi
Hiyori
- Bitch slapped Orochi
- Ran away to protect Kawamatsu
- Evaded Killer while protecting Otoko
Tashigi
- looks down on Zoro and berates him even when he saves her
- has never won any onscreen fight
- assumes Zoro doesn't want to fight her because of gender
Zoro marrying Hiyori may also be his chance to usurp Momo and become Shogun of Wano heh heh
Nooo Hiyori is way better than Tashigi
Hiyori
Tashigi
Hiyori
- Bitch slapped Orochi
- Ran away to protect Kawamatsu
- Evaded Killer while protecting Otoko
Tashigi
- looks down on Zoro and berates him even when he saves her
- has never won any onscreen fight
- assumes Zoro doesn't want to fight her because of gender
Zoro marrying Hiyori may also be his chance to usurp Momo and become Shogun of Wano heh heh
As a character, I think she's shrouded in too much mystery to connect with atm. I'd rather wait and see how her story with Kyoshiro plays out.
As for Tashigi, you have to remember that she's been groomed to considered Pirates as the enemy, and to never show weakness around them. To her, that's just what Zoro is. I think people forget that when looking at her assessment of him. It's frankly no different from Smoker and Luffy. And she has no business to believe his bizarre reasons for sparing her during their first duel. And her reason for staying behind to fight Monet was fair. She doesn't have to believe Zoro would take out Monet. She barely knows him, and her subordinates were the ones at risk. Despite their significance, the 2 have only really had 2 extended encounters, but you do see the shift in their dynamic post Monet.
After the fight with Monet, she begins to respect Zoro's strength. Even wondering how he grew so strong in 2 years. The last time we see them, she's embarrassingly being carried by Zoro, and bickering as if they've always known eachother. She even goes back to being the little sword geek in his presence. She wasn't like that since their first meeting at Logue town.
Her last notable Strawhat interaction was pleading to Nami to trust her with the Punk Hazard children. I think some of us will be very surprised with how Oda handles Zoro and Tashigi's next encounter. And we know it will happen at some point. She might not be as hostile as before. Probably a little tsundereish as to not show weakness around him.
As to her strength, it's a matter of perspective. I don't scale Tashigi's growth based on Zoro or any other high level fighters, I scale it in relation to the normal combatant. I also believe her struggles are a direct result of Kuina's conflict. Kuina was depressed because of the fate of female swordsmen. If there were a bunch of top tier level swordswomen, which includes Tashigi, it reflect badly on Kuina. This is partly why Tashigi struggles.
Despite that, she hasn't done all that badly, relatively speaking. She's consistently remained Smoker's righthand, learned haki over the 2 year timeskip(haki is still pretty rare. Even most of the Strawhats don't know it), survived the War of the Best with minor injuries, and even forced Monet to change tactics due to her swordplay.
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I dunno, I think Oda is really ship-baiting Zoro and Hiyori. After WCI, it’s no longer safe to say that Oda can’t or won’t pair the Straw Hats romantically or that the arc princesses are off-limits. (Technically Kaya was the first princess archetype we met in the series and she’s still waiting on Usopp) Pudding was a literal princess of WCI, enjoyed a lot of romantic subtext with Sanji... and we all know what happened with her lol.
Oda‘s ship baiting of Zoro and Hiyori has been extremely blatant this arc. With Zoro saving Hiyori and her companion, spending the night with her and refusing to answer when asked whether he enjoyed it, Oda seems to be pushing this ship hard. Extra points for Hiyori confessing to Zoro that she wants to kill Orochi and being caught up in Zoro’s storyline to avenge Yasu and surpass Oden.
Personally I find Tashigi pretty tiresome. Constantly harping on about gender, charging into bad fights and embarrassing herself against Monet was not a good look for her. Then she has the gall to complain that Zoro looked down on her after her embarrassing fight with Monet. It had nothing to do with gender, if Mihawk sat back and watched Zoro get his ass kicked, he’d be talking down to Zoro too.
Personally I’d take Zoro x Hiyori over Zoro x Tashigi any day. Falling for Zoro because he saved her country, inspired her brother and avenged Yasu is far more compelling than ‘she looks like my dead childhood and friend and uh, I guess she tries to fight’. Just imo.
What do other members think? Would Tashigi or Hiyori be a better match for Zoro?
Oda‘s ship baiting of Zoro and Hiyori has been extremely blatant this arc. With Zoro saving Hiyori and her companion, spending the night with her and refusing to answer when asked whether he enjoyed it, Oda seems to be pushing this ship hard. Extra points for Hiyori confessing to Zoro that she wants to kill Orochi and being caught up in Zoro’s storyline to avenge Yasu and surpass Oden.
Personally I find Tashigi pretty tiresome. Constantly harping on about gender, charging into bad fights and embarrassing herself against Monet was not a good look for her. Then she has the gall to complain that Zoro looked down on her after her embarrassing fight with Monet. It had nothing to do with gender, if Mihawk sat back and watched Zoro get his ass kicked, he’d be talking down to Zoro too.
Personally I’d take Zoro x Hiyori over Zoro x Tashigi any day. Falling for Zoro because he saved her country, inspired her brother and avenged Yasu is far more compelling than ‘she looks like my dead childhood and friend and uh, I guess she tries to fight’. Just imo.
What do other members think? Would Tashigi or Hiyori be a better match for Zoro?
Why not both? And add Perona too while we're at it 
Yeah... Personally I feel like a lot of Tashigi’s problems are self inflicted. She doesn’t train very hard, at least nowhere near as hard as she should if she wants to compete with the many VA marine swordsmen. It’s even shown in her childhood picture. Child Mihawk looks absolutely brutalised, child Vista is sweating from training and child Tashigi is sitting there reading a book with the actual training sword lying on the ground unused. To a swordsman, power = respect, has nothing to do with gender but Tashigi just assumes everything is about gender. It’s just not a helpful attitude.
