Current Events The Decade of Zoro

Kaido's neck is literally zoomed in there, there's no cut
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People are getting caught in the hype without actually understanding how Kaido's durability works.
He can still feel force of attacks which is why he reacts to them. That doesn't mean he is taking actual damage.
Kidd didn't know about Ryou and Neither did Killer and this is proven in this very chapter. So why would one conclude that they actually did damage to Kaido?
Kaido was bleeding after Zoro and Kidd attack. Kidd didn't know about advance CoA. 1st level Ryou is common in OP Boa sisters, Sentumaru, alot of Samurais in Wano, All the admirals, but Advance Ryou isn't common. Just like FS isn't common and Rayliegh says strong ass people have it.
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Personally I interpreted Kaido's "as expected" as him thinking they couldn't damage him and them proving him right with that attack. But Zoro will obviously prove him wrong later on
He literally bleeding
 
Kaido was bleeding after Zoro and Kidd attack. Kidd didn't know about advance CoA. 1st level Ryou is common in OP Boa sisters, Sentumaru, alot of Samurais in Wano, All the admirals, but Advance Ryou isn't common. Just like FS isn't common and Rayliegh says strong ass people have it.
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He literally bleeding
Can you show me where he was actually cut?
Because like I said there's no panel there. As has been stated , Kaido is zoomed in and you can see his neck, there's no cut. We also saw how Ryou is released for Zoro, his haki leaks but there's no haki leakage in the panel
 
I don't think that was blood
Bro its the same stuff when G4 hit him Jack slashing Shutenmaru. Its blood, but its not a deep cut, its like when the sccabards were cutting him then next panel no significant damage. Here examples of blood that gets cleared up later on because official colored version came out. People use to argue Jack never cut Ashura, but he did.
 
Bro its the same stuff when G4 hit him Jack slashing Shutenmaru. Its blood, but its not a deep cut, its like when the sccabards were cutting him then next panel no significant damage. Here examples of blood that gets cleared up later on because official colored version came out. People use to argue Jack never cut Ashura, but he did.
Because here you can see the cut itself. Like I Said, in Kaido's case you can't see any cut. His neck is literally zoomed in and there's nothing there
 
Because here you can see the cut itself. Like I Said, in Kaido's case you can't see any cut. His neck is literally zoomed in and there's nothing there
Bro you can only see the cut cause its the colored version. Did you not read my post. People use to argue ot was debris until colored version came out a year later. Thats how oda draws little blood drops. Your literally arguing the samething they did
 

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So why would one conclude that they actually did damage to Kaido?
Personally I interpreted Kaido's "as expected" as him thinking they couldn't damage him and them proving him right with that attack. But Zoro will obviously prove him wrong later on
What @Enma said:
They did damage his skin though, you can even see blood. Plus we were said that Kaido complimented them, so it's better to wait for ViZ.
  • There appear to be specks of blood flying off Kaido's body
  • We were originally told that Kaido complimented them.


Secondly
Attacking Prometheus...he blitzed Prometheus not Linlin! Prometheus was on attack mode...didnt even have time to react to Zoro coz he was focused on luffu
Zoro didn't blitz Linlin ... only Brook has blitzed sanr Linlin ,not just her homies.

Hurting/cutting/blitzing homies =/= linlin
Zoro blitzed Linlin. It was Linlin that was using Prometheus as an attack. It's not as if Prometheus attacked separately. It was literally a fire ball she was holding and struck at Luffy with. Before her hand holding Prometheus reached Luffy, Zoro split prometheus.

And it is Killer who attacked the neck not Zoro!
Yes it was, but we don't see blood flying only off the neck.

Zoro didn't do more damage than g4
He and Killer did a combo... the damage wasn't done by zoro.
They attacked Kaido separately. Killer attacked Kaido's neck, Zoro attacked his body.
 

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You can't win
The latest chapter has been an absolute gold mine for fans of the Grandmaster. I'll chronicle Zoro's laudable accomplishments:

Vs Big Mom
After Kaido knocks Luffy down with Thunder Bagua, Big Mom hurries to blitz him with Heavenly Fire:

When she's about to make contact with Luffy, the Grandmaster begins his counterattack:

As we can see from this scan, there's considerable distance between Zoro and Big Mom/Luffy:

Faster than Big Mom or Luffy could perceive (let alone react), he blitzes Big Mom and cleaves Prometheus in two:

Prometheus is left temporarily unable to fuse back together:

Conclusion
This is an amazing speed feat for Zoro. He blitzed a Yonkou in the middle of their attack from point blank range with a considerable starting distance. The Grandmaster's attack speed once again impresses. This is one of the best speed feats in the series given that Big Mom's reaction speed should scale to other top tiers.

I love how Zoro could copy Kinemon's technique after just witnessing it, but I don't want to say more on it until we get additional details.


As a Firstmate
After saving his captain's life from the Yonkou Big Mom, Zoro chastises him not to let down his guard for a single second:


Vs Kaido
Zoro and Killer prepare their attack for Kaido, with Kaido noticing them and preparing to counter attack:

Kaido counterattacks but is unable to tag either of them and gets sliced cleanly (without using hardening I might add). We see Kaido grunt in pain ("UGH!!!") and specks of blood dislodged from his body:

In the following panels, we see Kaido visibly take some effort to recover, and he compliments them on their successful attack:

Zoro is left unsatisfied with the damage he dealt and comments on how he has yet to fully acclimatise to Enma:


Zoro's feat is rendered all the more impressive by the fact that — unless I'm misunderstanding something —Zoro's Rengoku Oni Giri did more damage to Kaido than Luffy's Kong Gun:


Contextualising Zoro's Offensive Feat
That Zoro could damage Kaido with a Rengoku Oni Giri is especially notable, because Oni Giri is one of Zoro's low tier Santoryu attacks (and is probably his weakest). My reasons below:
  • The first Santoryu attack he used.
    • Preskip He used it to finish Axe Hand Morgan.
    • Postskip He used the upgraded version to finish Hyouzou
  • It's normally his opening Santoryu attack
    • Against Mihawk
    • Against Daz Bones
  • Attacks probably stronger than Oni Giri:
    • Ul Tora Gari
      • Zoro used it to counter the massive Punk Hazard Dragon and pushed it back
    • Yasha Garasu
      • Gave Oars many wounds that drew blood
  • Attacks definitely stronger than Oni Giri:
    • Nigori-Zake
      • Overpowered Kaku's Bigan and cut him
      • Cut Oars fang
    • Gyuki Yuzume
      • Destroyed T-Bone's attack and oneshot him
    • Tatsumaki
      • Nearly broke Kaku's Tekkai
    • 108(0) Pound Cannon
      • Oars admitted it would cut him pretty badly
      • Bisected Pica's Golem
    • Rokudo no Tsuji
      • Ougi
    • Sanzen Sekai
      • Zoro's final attack against Mihawk
      • Badly cut Oars up
      • Bisected Pica's Golem and set the top half floating up several hundred metres

Maybe Oni Giri is not the weakest Santoryu attack, but it's a low tier Santoryu attack. Powerscaling Santoryu attacks it would be something like:
  • Top Tier
    • (Ichidai) Sanzen (Daisen) Sekai
  • High tier
    • Rokudo no Tsuji
    • Nigori-Zake
    • 108(0) Pound Cannon
  • Mid Tier
    • Kokujo Ou Tatsumaki
    • Gyuki Yuzume
  • Low Tier
    • Karasuma Gari
    • Hyokindama
    • Daibutsu Giri
    • Yasha Garasu
    • Ushi Bari
    • Toro Nagashi
    • (Ul) Tora Gari
    • (Rengoku) Oni Giri

Furthermore, given that Zoro did not use hardening on his Rengoku Oni Giri, it could likely have been made massively stronger.

Conclusion
Zoro once again blitzes a Yonkou (who was aware of him and actively trying to counterattack). Said Yonkou had himself just blitzed a Luffy that was using future sight. This is another demonstration of his insane attack speed. Furthermore, Zoro's attack power is further highlighted by the fact that a low tier Santoryu attack (and without hardening) was able to do some damage to Kaido and earn him compliments (more damage than was dealt by Kong Gun).


Addenda
While this week was indeed a treasure trove of Grandmaster greatness, Lord Zoro is just getting started.
  • He didn't use hardening in his opening attack.
  • We have confirmation that he's going to get significantly stronger as the battle progresses.
    • He has still not yet fully acclimatised to Enma.
  • He has still yet to show Asura or anything else he learned from Mihawk
    • Luffy left the time skip with a new Gear (Gear 4)
    • Sanji left the time skip with an upgraded Diable Jambe and Hell's Memories
    • Zoro may have upgrades/modifiers to his Asura
  • His weakest Santoryu attack was able to damage Kaido
    • Oni Giri is the first Santoryu attack Zoro used in the series and it's his Gomu Gomu no Pistol equivalent.
  • We have confirmation that Zoro can copy sword techniques after witnessing them once.
    • Big Mom right now is wielding a flaming sword and has quite a few techniques of her own.
      • Zoro has expressed interest in a fire sword.
      • Zoro can replicate the fire aspect with Kinemon's Fox Fire style.


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The Big Mom feat is legit. However i won't say the same for Kaido.

Kaido is still playing around and taking their attacks on purpose


It seems like Kaido felt the force of Zoro / Killer's attack(hence the mark on his neck), but wasn't actually damaged. If this translation is right, Kaido said "as expected", with Zoro lamenting himself saying he needs to release more of Enma's power


The sequence suggested then that everything happened like Kaido expected it to happen(no damage) with Zoro realizing he'd need more of Enma's power if he wants to actually damage Kaido
 
No one cares if maybe one or two drops of blood were spilled. It's literally semantics - you might as well just call it no damage. If Kaido has a HP of 100000, Killer and Zoro inflicted like 15 damage points - it was absolutely nothing.

Hence my interpretation of this being what Kaido expected, especially after just making a huge deal out of Luffy being capable of significantly damaging him. It's expected that people can't significantly harm Kaido as very few people in the verse are capable of doing so.

When Zoro releases more of Enma's power later on he'll prove Kaido wrong - if he's already capable of significantly harming Kaido there'd be no need for him to talk about releasing more power.
 
The Big Mom feat is legit. However i won't say the same for Kaido.

Kaido is still playing around and taking their attacks on purpose


It seems like Kaido felt the force of Zoro / Killer's attack(hence the mark on his neck), but wasn't actually damaged. If this translation is right, Kaido said "as expected", with Zoro lamenting himself saying he needs to release more of Enma's power


The sequence suggested then that everything happened like Kaido expected it to happen(no damage) with Zoro realizing he'd need more of Enma's power if he wants to actually damage Kaido
You see the blood drops in the panel and Kaido also reacts by saying UGH!! Displaying pain.


Zoro saying to release more power is him saying he needs to cut deeper. Baby cuts ain't doing anything to Kaido.
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No one cares if maybe one or two drops of blood were spilled. It's literally semantics - you might as well just call it no damage. If Kaido has a HP of 100000, Killer and Zoro inflicted like 15 damage points - it was absolutely nothing.

Hence my interpretation of this being what Kaido expected, especially after just making a huge deal out of Luffy being capable of significantly damaging him. It's expected that people can't significantly harm Kaido as very few people in the verse are capable of doing so.

When Zoro releases more of Enma's power later on he'll prove Kaido wrong - if he's already capable of significantly harming Kaido there'd be no need for him to talk about releasing more power.
No i am not calling damage no damage. Lol 😆 You guys are so weird here. Prove Kaido wrong? All Kaido said was has expected and yall are little monsters. Yeah, i completely disagree with your interpretation of these scenes. Kaido was complimenting them. I guess we wait for the Viz.
 
That can be blood or it can something completely different. How ever, Killer does not have Ryou so that means he didn't cut Kaido, Zoro has Ryou but his sword is leaking meaning he most likely didn't cut Kaido either. Kaido is also not surprised at all which is what he would be if he was cut
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Zoro didnt attack his neck. That was killer.
I know that. I'm saying non of them actually did damage besides Luffy
 
I took it as everyone hurting Kaido, but not much.

The exception is the start of the chapter, where Kaido is totally shocked that Luffy can hurt him. That doesn’t last long though, and the first thing he does is smile, fight back and say it’s good that it’ll be a fight this time.

That goes back to Kaido’s introduction and all his talk about a boring world. Luffy really disappointed him last time by not even being able to put up a fight, now Kaido’s actually excited. He says he wants to see how strong the ones on the roof are, which exasperates BM.

Then you get Zoro and Killer’s attack. Important thing is that Kaido says urgh, momentarily grimaces then grins. I don’t think he’d smile if he hadn’t been hurt at all. The setup is that Kaido is wanting a good fight- no damage wouldn’t make him smile, it would make him angry.

That’s backed up again with the captains attack, where Kaido is smiling and tells them to bring it on. Then he gets up laughing and talks about how it’s a shame to have to kill everyone.

Overall impression is that Kaido is very much looking forward to this fight, and that’s only because the five lived up to his expectations and have managed to hurt him.
 
That can be blood or it can something completely different. How ever, Killer does not have Ryou so that means he didn't cut Kaido, Zoro has Ryou but his sword is leaking meaning he most likely didn't cut Kaido either. Kaido is also not surprised at all which is what he would be if he was cut
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I know that. I'm saying non of them actually did damage besides Luffy
I just read @Fenaker thread where he gave a good argument why Killer attack didn't cut him, but i am not sure yet. I'll just wait for more to judge if Killer can damage him, but the blood is from Zoro sode and Zoro attack is a body attack not a neck. While Killer went fir the neck.
 
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In the following panels, we see Kaido visibly take some effort to recover, and he compliments them on their successful attack
I think they did do something but it wasn't that much.

From Kaido statement "as expected" would imply that he did not expect much as he doesn't know those guys power level. and he was proven right.

Another thing that confirms this is Zoro saying "I need to release more enma power" why would he say that unless the previous attack wasn't that affective.

What also I've noticed is Kaido didn't notice Enma. I think when zoro will start doing significant damage is when Kaido notices Oden's sword.

So currently Zoro not being able to do much to Kaido is for plot reason. Oda probably wants to showcase that Oden parallel later on as you can bet your ass he is going to do it.

Another important thing is I don't think any of the SN did any real damage to Kaido. Luffy hurt him initially but that gear four practically did nothing. But its interesting that Oda only singles out Zoro and mentioned that he is still learning enma emphasis on the learning here. I think it'll be extremely important later on when he actually does hurt Kaido in a meaningful way.


Though translation is bit wonky, so will have to wait as see for more solid opinion.
 
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What @Enma said:

  • There appear to be specks of blood flying off Kaido's body
  • We were originally told that Kaido complimented them.



Zoro blitzed Linlin. It was Linlin that was using Prometheus as an attack. It's not as if Prometheus attacked separately. It was literally a fire ball she was holding and struck at Luffy with. Before her hand holding Prometheus reached Luffy, Zoro split prometheus.


Yes it was, but we don't see blood flying only off the neck.


They attacked Kaido separately. Killer attacked Kaido's neck, Zoro attacked his body.
Stop he didn't blitz Linlin
BM already lauched Prometheus.

Prometheus was already launched...how is that blitzing Linlin?
U even see BM shocked about Prometheus not herself

If he could blizt Linlin then why didn't then blitz Prometheus again?

The only one who was praised for their speed are luffy and kaido not Zoro.
 
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