Chapter Discussion The GOAT Enters the Story: Rocks D. Xebec Appreciation Thread

park_min young

park_min young

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comrade said:
And in the end, Xebec died as a nobody while Roger became the Pirate King who announced the great era of piracy. Ok, cool, Xebec went into the flower room and gave Imu empty threats but that's about it. Which doesn't mean Xebec isn't an awesome character, but I don't think it makes Roger look worse.
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That’s only because he lost in a grand epic showdown, and it wasn’t broadcasted to the world like Marineford. The winners…in this case, the World Government, had the power to control how Rocks will be remembered. Xebec’s existence was so dangerous that they had to erase him from all the history books lol. If Imu really wanted to, he could have erased Roger from history as well given enough time and if they really wanted to kill him.

Xebec’s will lives on and makes waves throughout the modern era — he’s the Godfather of pirate legends. His presence and impact never really left.
 
comrade

comrade

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park_min young said:
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That’s only because he lost in a grand epic showdown, and it wasn’t broadcasted to the world like Marineford. The winners…in this case, the World Government, had the power to control how Rocks will be remembered. Xebec’s existence was so dangerous that they had to erase him from all the history books lol. If Imu really wanted to, he could have erased Roger from history as well given enough time and if they really wanted to kill him.

Xebec’s will lives on and makes waves throughout the modern era — he’s the Godfather of pirate legends. His presence and impact never really left.
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Yes, Roger participated in God Valley just as much as Xebec, only that Roger left alive and made lasting history. Xebec failing while Roger did not is reflective of their character and persona. The fact Roger was just as ambitious, but just drew in people more, having loyal followers while Xebec did not. Roger literally is the godfather of piracy as a whole, as he started the great era of piracy.
 
Nidai_Kitetsu

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comrade said:
But they weren't his "subordinates". They most likely were just associates sharing similar goals. They didn't trust, nor respect him. On the other hand we had Rayleigh, who in his prime was in the same ballpark as a Yonko, stalling Kizaru when old and rusty and having Garp compare him to Whitebeard, by saying it's madness to face two legends at the same time. With Gaban also being not far off in power. Then comes Oden, who is put up there as Kaido's top 5 who also was amazed by Roger and admired him.

Roger was the superior man in terms of character. Whitebeard was literally talking about the man Roger awaits, when telling Blackbeard he is not him, not the man Roger waited for. Him becoming Pirate King, starting the era of piracy, wearing the strawhat which seems to have deep significance for the narrative of the story, with Joyboy literally wearing a strawhat - who knows, perhaps it was even the same strawhat that was passed to Roger, then to Shanks, then to Luffy, who is Joyboy 2.0 (while the giant strawhat in Marijoa could be a red herring).

Xebec was a great character, but more like a savage, a rowdy. Aiming high but falling deep in the end.
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Rocks wasn't supposed to be revealed until chapter 1000. Oda made us believe there was nobody else on Roger-Whitebeard level. But now we see how it really was.

Again, Roger and Rocks' crew are not the same thing. Their personalities are different. Imagine Kidd in Luffy's crew - you think he would respect Luffy like strawhats? Also, Rocks' crew had much higher power level. Its amazing how Rocks had them under the same banner.
 
Blackbeard

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Sentinel

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Now it's Blackbeard's turn to wreck the world!

With the way how Oda narrates Xebec's power and influence in this flashback, I think this will definitely be used to switch to current Mary Geoise how it's being attacked by Blackbeard and his crew. After Garp was captured, this is what Blackbeard also stated:



So in conclusion, he was definitely preparing to attack Mary Geoise. After all, Catarina Devon took Saturn's appearance and it's due to the reason that they want to infiltrate the holy land.

That's all a huge build up to Blackbeard gaining control over the WG or doing a huge attack to weaken their forces significantly, so that the navy has to enter the war as well.
 
Kizaruber Eats

Kizaruber Eats

Joyboy reveal when?
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Blackbeard said:
Oh Memeshoku, I command thee kneel...



@Elder Lee Hung @Reborn @Jailer @Owl Ki @God Buggy @SakazOuki @EmperorKinyagi @centurion @Topi Jerami @Kizaruber Eats
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Never enjoyed a chapter like this one in a while man...
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Completely agree man, too fucking peak. It's feels like the story Oda always wanted to write. No filler all Thriller (Bark).

What we now know really changes how we see Blackbeards Introduction and his actions and speeches vs Ace, at Impel Down and Marineford too at least.

Oda is turning our world upside down.
 
blackjack

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Oda had excellent foreshadowing as to why Big Mom believed that an arranged marriage with the giants would get her the one piece.


Shirahoshi is an ancient weapons user, BB probably has the strongest logia and paramecia DFs, Luffy has the strongest Zoan DF. But its implied Vivi is a priority for Imu to kill over him. And Rocks says, "I will be back". Think Imu has like some kind of immortality. Keep in mind the elders and celestial dragons(present in gods valley) with the Navy and Rogers crew have fought Rocks.
 
MUUGEN

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呪のろいの王
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Nidai_Kitetsu said:
Since the latest chapter dropped, I’ve seen plenty of powerscaling debates and agenda posts, but not enough threads appreciating just how brilliant of a character Xebec really is. This character single-handedly resurrected a dead forum back to life! Fans are already calling this one of the best post-timeskip chapters. Once again, Oda reminded us why he is a master of his craft.

Design
Xebec has an awesome design. From the moment he appears, he exudes raw, explosive energy. His wild, spiked hair looks like he is about to go Super Saiyan. His physique and attire are monstrous - a far cry from his son.





A Man With Zero Chill
Rocks D Xebec doesn't play games. He enters every fight with Michael Jordan's killer instinct - take everything personally, crush everything in his path. There is no compassion or teaching moment. You are in the way, you will be crushed. When child Loki stood in his way, he didn't hesitate to give him a cold blooded beatdown.


The Freest Man on the Sea
Luffy believes the freest man in the sea is the Pirate King. If that's true, then there has never been a better Pirate King than Rocks D Xebec. While Luffy's freedom means adventure with friends, Xebec's freedom means tearing down the entire system - nobody to rule you ever again.

Rocks enters the land of Gods, kills an admiral as a side quest and finds the most untouchable figure in the world. This man delivers the threat and walks away with no fucks given =>



The Greatest Revolutionary
Pirates don't attack World Government. Xebec? He marched to Marijoas alone before forming a crew. People call Dragon the most wanted man on the planet, the greatest revolutionary. But compared to what Xebec did, Dragon's revolution is child's play. Man directly threatened the highest authority in the world while Dragon is probably still staring at East Blue wondering where to start =>




He who challenged the world
Xebec wanted to crush the navy. Pretty sure this is the first time a One Piece character has outright said they intend to destroy the Navy. Whitebeard attacked Marineford, but he was on a suicide mission. Harald thought Xebec's enemies were too big. But Xebec didn't flinch. This man had the guts like no other.


The Unstoppable All-Rounder
Was there anything this man couldn't do? I can picture this dude shredding guitars, clearing a poker table or taking over a dance floor like he owns the place!




Rocks D. Xebec - The Pirate we thought Roger was
After just one chapter, many readers are saying Xebec is what we all wanted Roger to be. Its not just strength - its also his presence. The man oozes charisma and swag - something Roger never quite had. While Roger begged rivals for help and tiptoed through Yonko territory, Xebec walks straight into hell and dares it to fight back. Just GOAT things!



Some tags:
@Blackbeard @Reborn @Bogard @Garp the Fist @HeroesNZ @ZenZu @Erkan12 @MarineHQ @Rootbeer @Paragorn @Jailer @Tyki_Mikk @Sentinel @Natalija @Paragorn @park_min young @Roo @Dragon777 @Yo Tan Wa @Rumble @Mr. Reloaded
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lol when was WG ever dead?
 
Juanpiz

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D. Plant said:
Sengoku's memery shows Xebec was some demonic looking evildoer, but the reveal shows he was just a powerful guy. To be fair, I am a bit in the middle of the liking, but the more I learn the more I like his design. His introduction is absolutely badass, chad body, unhinged personality, just what I have expected.
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Simple but good fit
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blackjack said:
Oda had excellent foreshadowing as to why Big Mom believed that an arranged marriage with the giants would get her the one piece.


Shirahoshi is an ancient weapons user, BB probably has the strongest logia and paramecia DFs, Luffy has the strongest Zoan DF. But its implied Vivi is a priority for Imu to kill over him. And Rocks says, "I will be back". Think Imu has like some kind of immortality. Keep in mind the elders and celestial dragons(present in gods valley) with the Navy and Rogers crew have fought Rocks.
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What is so Great about this Blue Haired Chick:suresure:
 
Charlotte Horchata

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Nidai_Kitetsu said:
What do you mean he couldnt control them? Last chapter I saw the great WB in a feast like another run in the mill crewmate. We have seen "shut up WB" when WB tried to lecture Rocks about beating kids.

Roger's subordinates and Rocks' subordinates arent same. Rocks had subordinates who was said Roger's equal or on Roger's level. Rocks group was way more difficult to handle. Why did Roger need Garp's help if the Rocks crew was so disfunctional?
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I mean that he couldn't control them as has been explicitly shown since day one:

—Shiki was laughing his ass off when Harald thought he was Rocks' subordinate.

—Linlin, as soon as he met Kaidou, told him he better followed her instead because Rocks was a loser.

—Whitebeard, far from accepting Rocks as his leader (which is what you seem to suggest with that "shut up"), instantly reminded him he wasn't his subordinate when Rocks tried to order him around in God Valley.

Even Sengoku described the crew as a bunch of pirates killing each other who couldn't work together.

As I said, Rocks was such a failure at trying to handle these people that Whitebeard rejected Oden because, from his experience with Rocks, he thought such breed of beast couldn't be handled.

Roger, on the other hand, could handle a crew with people like Rayleigh, Gaban or Oden, all of them top tiers who were also conquerors. Why did such monsters, not only his subordinates but enemies like Whitebeard, Shiki or Kaidou, admired and respected Roger yet treated Rocks like that?

You ask: "Why did Roger need Garp's help if the Rocks crew was so disfunctional?".

And I answer: because, first, we don't know what happened in God Valley; and second, whatever happened, I assure you Roger either will be shown literally above Rocks or with far more potential. But there's no way Roger is ultimately established as less than Rocks.

Rocks crew was disfunctional as hell and that's an undeniable fact established not once, not twice, but many times since the first time we knew about them.
 
Juanpiz

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Charlotte Horchata said:
I mean that he couldn't control them as has been explicitly shown since day one:

—Shiki was laughing his ass off when Harald thought he was Rocks' subordinate.

—Linlin, as soon as he met Kaidou, told him he better followed her instead because Rocks was a loser.

—Whitebeard, far from accepting Rocks as his leader (which is what you seem to suggest with that "shut up"), instantly reminded him he wasn't his subordinate when Rocks tried to order him around in God Valley.

Even Sengoku described the crew as a bunch of pirates killing each other who couldn't work together.

As I said, Rocks was such a failure at trying to handle these people that Whitebeard rejected Oden because, from his experience with Rocks, he thought such breed of beast couldn't be handled.

Roger, on the other hand, could handle a crew with people like Rayleigh, Gaban or Oden, all of them top tiers who were also conquerors. Why did such monsters, not only his subordinates but enemies like Whitebeard, Shiki or Kaidou, admired and respected Roger yet treated Rocks like that?

You ask: "Why did Roger need Garp's help if the Rocks crew was so disfunctional?".

And I answer: because, first, we don't know what happened in God Valley; and second, whatever happened, I assure you Roger either will be shown literally above Rocks or with far more potential. But there's no way Roger is ultimately established as less than Rocks.

Rocks crew was disfunctional as hell and that's an undeniable fact established not once, not twice, but many times since the first time we knew about them.
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Just banter among homies
 
silverfire

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Charlotte Horchata said:
I mean that he couldn't control them as has been explicitly shown since day one:

—Shiki was laughing his ass off when Harald thought he was Rocks' subordinate.

—Linlin, as soon as he met Kaidou, told him he better followed her instead because Rocks was a loser.

—Whitebeard, far from accepting Rocks as his leader (which is what you seem to suggest with that "shut up"), instantly reminded him he wasn't his subordinate when Rocks tried to order him around in God Valley.

Even Sengoku described the crew as a bunch of pirates killing each other who couldn't work together.

As I said, Rocks was such a failure at trying to handle these people that Whitebeard rejected Oden because, from his experience with Rocks, he thought such breed of beast couldn't be handled.

Roger, on the other hand, could handle a crew with people like Rayleigh, Gaban or Oden, all of them top tiers who were also conquerors. Why did such monsters, not only his subordinates but enemies like Whitebeard, Shiki or Kaidou, admired and respected Roger yet treated Rocks like that?

You ask: "Why did Roger need Garp's help if the Rocks crew was so disfunctional?".

And I answer: because, first, we don't know what happened in God Valley; and second, whatever happened, I assure you Roger either will be shown literally above Rocks or with far more potential. But there's no way Roger is ultimately established as less than Rocks.

Rocks crew was disfunctional as hell and that's an undeniable fact established not once, not twice, but many times since the first time we knew about them.
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Like father like son, don’t entirely disagree but this all sounds a lot more like a real pirate crew than any of the other yonko. They still had the highest amount of power in aggregate.
 
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