Died once...defeating Kaidou who is superior to Ling.
Zoro got his ass fodderized and enma chan provided him what he needed just to high diff someone who has durability that is inferior to kaido's.
You were telling me about the huge gap between Zoro and Luffy before the rooftop too. Turns out that gap was in favor of Zoro.
It is Oda who called Zoro one of the 3 triggers of the story.
One of the 3 triggers of the story is Power.
It is Oda who placed Strength(Power) into Zoro's head more than anything else, Swords are secondary to Strength(Power).
It is Oda who made the MC acknowledge that Zoro can pull through anything without making any exceptions.
It is Oda who made Zoro manifest power multiplication Demon God with his sheer willpower.
Zoro's Asura is power manifesting itself in a form of a god, there is no mistake about it. Zoro is Power.
Zoro's OST is named Very, Very, Very Strongest.
MC simply aint the guy yall wish him to be, I have been saying this for 6 years now. It is still not digested...
All of these arguments were probably valid pre TS. And even back then........most free was implied in the series to be strongest. So, Luffy was going to be that either way, even from pre TS perspective.
Plus, every single captain so far has been the strongest in the crew, even in crews with "special" RHM like Roger (Rayleigh), WB (Oden) and Shanks (Beckman)....only exception being meme Buggy
It has nothing to do with what I want/wish, but realizing reality of what Oda is writing. Zoro is amongst my top 10 favs and is certainly my most fav Strawhat.
There are a lot of things I wish:
- I wish Oda respected Zoro enough to not scrap all the plotlines he had in Wano
- I wish he made Zoro do more than just give a scar to Kaido.
- I wish Zoro and Sanji were treated with enough respect and care that they were during pre TS. Oda didn't even give them more than one page of fight post powerup, for their first real fight post TS
- I wish we get to see more crew interaction and crew dynamics, more focus on crew in general
Instead what we currently have is just non stop Luffy wank since post TS.
Sanji didn't even get to fight in WCI, supposedly "his arc". Zoro had all his plotlines sideline and/or abandoned in Wano, supposedly "his arc".
We get no more of the vice captain moments from Zoro. We get no more of the smart stuff Sanji used to do pre TS (like during Alabasta, EL).
Post TS, it has all been Luffy wank and Luffy show. Heck, Oda retconned his DF into some Sun God zoan and made him chosen one, instead of it just being some rubber fruit that Luffy made powerful through his own will.
Oda cannot wank Luffy more, but he somehow still will find a way.
Time to accept reality man. Current Oda isn't same as pre TS Oda.
The fruit that makes you giggle+a lot of hax+stamina regen+freedom to do anything+toon force+immunity to being ass like zoro+gives you a personality something that zoro dreams for>Being WSS with a clown suit
Desire to get the one piece>Desire to not getting carried by enma chan anymore
He won't be top 5 eos, and he's most definitely never going to be top 2nd behind luffy eos.
If you could read I said "Zoro will hardly be top 15" indicating that he could get there but that's someone I doubt.
Hardly even top 15 currently, and especially with the powerful characters we have.
Eos list will be exactly like this
1.Luffy
2.BB or IMU
3. BB or IMU
4. Xebec
5. Roger or Primbeard(because they're equals)
He won't be top 5 eos, and he's most definitely never going to be top 2nd behind luffy eos.
If you could read I said "Zoro will hardly be top 15" indicating that he could get there but that's someone I doubt.
Hardly even top 15 currently, and especially with the powerful characters we have.
Eos list will be exactly like this
1.Luffy
2.BB or IMU
3. BB or IMU
4. Xebec
5. Roger or Primbeard(because they're equals)
He won't be top 5 eos, and he's most definitely never going to be top 2nd behind luffy eos.
If you could read I said "Zoro will hardly be top 15" indicating that he could get there but that's someone I doubt.
Hardly even top 15 currently, and especially with the powerful characters we have.
Eos list will be exactly like this
1.Luffy
2.BB or IMU
3. BB or IMU
4. Xebec
5. Roger or Primbeard(because they're equals)
Counting only alive characters EoS, Zoro will be definitely top 5 and likely top 2.
As for the 6 you mentioned, 3 are dead (Roger/WB/Rocks), 2 will be dead (Imu/BB)
And even then, there is a case to be made that Zoro might surpass or be relative to Roger/WB too. I'm 50/50 on that. So, he may still make it to top5 of all time barely.
Top 10 of all time is a definitive for Zoro even in worst case scenario.
Counting only alive characters EoS, Zoro will be definitely top 5 and likely top 2.
As for the 6 you mentioned, 3 are dead (Roger/WB/Rocks), 2 will be dead (Imu/BB)
And even then, there is a case to be made that Zoro might surpass or be relative to Roger/WB too. I'm 50/50 on that. So, he may still make it to top5 of all time barely.
Top 10 of all time is a definitive for Zoro even in worst case scenario.
Two won't be dead because Luffy doesn't kill people.
Top 5 if alive will probably be like this
1.Luffy
2.Akainu
3.BB
4.Imu(maybe she'll/he'll die)
5.(alot of speculation xebec is alive but until it's confirmed I'll leave him out) Sabo
Top 5 of all time and Zoro will be lucky if he even reaches top 15 like I said, it's just not possible.
Lunarian is tougher than WSC. You missed that manga fact?
Kaido wasnt tough enough to end up fighting Zoro.
Lunarian had to step in and still ended up chopped into pieces.
Died once...defeating Kaidou who is superior to Ling.
Zoro got his ass fodderized and enma chan provided him what he needed just to high diff someone who has durability that is inferior to kaido's.
Died once during 7 attempts to beat Kaido, yes.
Kaido while superior to king is not tougher than King.
Zoro didnt die even from doubled Hakai(2 Kaidos+2 Big Moms).
As Sanjino said, that thing is hard to kill.
Post TS-Wano Zoro is the same tier, no improvements whatsoever and you tell me that Luffy is capable of rooftop Zoro's feats? lol
Wano rooftop- same tier? Luffy achieved nothing until 1010. How can that be considered the same tier as what Zoro acheived?
End of Wano - Zoro got better upgrades than Luffy. He is ahead, as he always was.
All of these arguments were probably valid pre TS. And even back then........most free was implied in the series to be strongest. So, Luffy was going to be that either way, even from pre TS perspective.
Plus, every single captain so far has been the strongest in the crew, even in crews with "special" RHM like Roger (Rayleigh), WB (Oden) and Shanks (Beckman)....only exception being meme Buggy
It has nothing to do with what I want/wish, but realizing reality of what Oda is writing. Zoro is amongst my top 10 favs and is certainly my most fav Strawhat.
There are a lot of things I wish:
- I wish Oda respected Zoro enough to not scrap all the plotlines he had in Wano
- I wish he made Zoro do more than just give a scar to Kaido.
- I wish Zoro and Sanji were treated with enough respect and care that they were during pre TS. Oda didn't even give them more than one page of fight post TS, for their first real fight post TS
- I wish we get to see more crew interaction and crew dynamics, more focus on crew in general
Instead what we currently have is just non stop Luffy wank since post TS.
Sanji didn't even get to fight in WCI, supposedly "his arc". Zoro had all his plotlines sideline and/or abandoned in Wano, supposedly "his arc".
We get no more of the vice captain moments from Zoro. We get no more of the smart stuff Sanji used to do pre TS (like during Alabasta, EL).
Post TS, it has all been Luffy wank and Luffy show. Heck, Oda retconned his DF into some Sun God zoan and made him chosen one, instead of it just being some rubber fruit that Luffy made powerful through his own will.
Oda cannot wank Luffy more, but he somehow still will find a way.
Time to accept reality man. Current Oda isn't same as pre TS Oda.
Which captain had to go against god form manifestation of power? Which RHM or VC manifested Demon God by desiring power?
All of those arguments are valid to this day.
Where fandom places Zoro is irrelevant - what matters is what Oda is doing.
And he just gave us an explanation of what Zoro's Asura is - godhood manifestation of Power itself.
Wano plotlines dont matter - what matters is that Zoro demolished a guy tougher than Kaido.
Plotlines not being tied up dont affect the fact that guy tougher than Kaido was utterly defeated by Zoro's single swing of a sword.
The testaments of Zoro's Power arent missing. They keep pilling up.
Zoro has always been Oda's device of "show dont tell" while Luffy is "tell dont show".
Narrative keeps praising Luffy while Zoro's feats rule the world.
Zoro isnt mean to be a mere VC so no point in wishing for it.
All that Zoro needs to do is leave the crew once he makes Luffy into Pirate King.
Joining the marines and hunting pirates as his nickname implies is the best possible ending for Zoro.
He didnt retcon Luffy's DF, he planned on it being Sun God since Skypiea.
Nobody simply desired freedom as much as Luffy to awaken it since Void Century.
Just like nobody desired Power more than Zoro for it to manifest in Demon God form.
Reality is that Power took God form first time in history and Zoro is the one who willed it into this world.
Luffy stands no chance as hard as it might be to understand but it is what it is.
Two won't be dead because Luffy doesn't kill people.
Top 5 if alive will probably be like this
1.Luffy
2.Akainu
3.BB
4.Imu(maybe she'll/he'll die)
5.(alot of speculation xebec is alive but until it's confirmed I'll leave him out) Sabo
Akainu is 100% getting surpassed.
Akainu/Mihawk/Shanks are all very close, and Zoro will be a cut above Mihawk by EoS
How is Imu below those guys lol. If he's alive, he will be strongest or no2. I doubt Luffy will take him down by straight up overpowering him, chances are it will require a gauntlet and multiple rounds, like it was required for Kaido.
Sabo isn't same as Ace.
Ace would've been top 5 (maybe even top 2) if alive. Sabo not, because he doesn't have conqueror's haki. He will probably be as strong as Aokiji/Kizaru by EoS
Died once during 7 attempts to beat Kaido, yes.
Kaido while superior to king is not tougher than King.
Zoro didnt die even from doubled Hakai(2 Kaidos+2 Big Moms).
As Sanjino said, that thing is hard to kill.
Died once and came back, Zoro got his ass clobbered, won the fight, and still was on life support.
Kaido is superior in every way+tougher.
...It was 1 hakai which contained Big mom and Kaido strength.
Zoro took a hakai for 1 second and literally was on the ground bloody. If he stood there another 1 second, you would be worshipping a dead corpse.
Who's "sanjino" unless you're talking about Sanji. As the canon manga says, Zoro is weaker than Luffy.
Akainu is 100% getting surpassed.
Akainu/Mihawk/Shanks are all very close, and Zoro will be a cut above Mihawk by EoS
How is Imu below those guys lol. If he's alive, he will be strongest or no2. I doubt Luffy will take him down by straight up overpowering him, chances are it will require a gauntlet and multiple rounds, like it was required for Kaido.
Sabo isn't same as Ace.
Ace would've been top 5 (maybe even top 2) if alive. Sabo not, because he doesn't have conqueror's haki. He will probably be as strong as Aokiji/Kizaru by EoS
Yes maybe an Akainu 2 years ago but not anymore. He is superior currently.
I made a mistake with the list lol
1.Luffy
2.Imu or BB
3.BB or Imu
4.Donut maker
5.Sabo or donut maker
Maybe there will be a gauntlet however I hope it's not, I need reality warping feats to make fun of narutobros.
Sabo is superior to the donut I mean freckled boy(currently). Maybe he would have conquerors haki even if he doesn't he still can become powerful, I mean he is a powerful individual currently.
If ace was alive I would have them as equals with ace being in the lead by a little. Either way I still have him either superior or inferior to the donut maker.
The fruit that makes you giggle+a lot of hax+stamina regen+freedom to do anything+toon force+immunity to being ass like zoro+gives you a personality something that zoro dreams for>Being WSS with a clown suit
Desire to get the one piece>Desire to not getting carried by enma chan anymore
My name was meant for all the people I defeat, and currently it also applies to you.
Oh so it made Zoro suffer the hakai for 2-3 more secondsThat's a new feat. Your right it's exactly why Zoro is dogshit when compared to Luffy, Law, Kidd, old legends and the emperors.
Every straw hat will be the history's best in his desired domain. Luffy will be freest in history, Sanji the best cook in history, Chopper will be the best doctor. And Zoro will be the strongest. Luffy being able to make the history's strongest his right hand man will be testament of Luffy having the greatest ability - to make even the strongest his ally.
The Zorotard hivemind even after how wano ended is disappointing to see. Y'all still misinterpret his character, huh? This isn't like a joke or something, you actually think Zoro > Luffy is plausible?
The Zorotard hivemind even after how wano ended is disappointing to see. Y'all still misinterpret his character, huh? This isn't like a joke or something, you actually think Zoro > Luffy is plausible?
It's always funny to see how Zoro fans trick other Zoro fans into believing their crackhead expectations for the character just to see Oda destroy the agenda every damn time. :cheers:
It's always funny to see how Zoro fans trick other Zoro fans into believing their crackhead expectations for the character just to see Oda destroy the agenda every damn time. :cheers:
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Died once and came back, Zoro got his ass clobbered, won the fight, and still was on life support.
My name was meant for all the people I defeat, and currently it also applies to you. 
That's a new feat.
Your right it's exactly why Zoro is dogshit when compared to Luffy, Law, Kidd, old legends and the emperors.
Zorobro trying to cope, therefore your opinion will be declined.
:cheers:
If they were able to they would get on their hands and knees just to lick Zoros muddy boots