Powers & Abilities The Pinnacle of Dreams and Manifestation of Power

[nik87]

Hate to burst your bubble buddy, but there is already a Devil Fruit manifested for the desire of Strength/Power, and that one was eaten by Jesus Burgess.

And has that desire reached godhood like Zoro's desire has? Is Burgess Hito Hito no Mi, mythical Buff Buff god?
There needs to be a god in the name for desire to reach its peak. Sun, Demon, Rain, Forest and Earth gods are peak of desires.
Burgess aint your guy, Zoro is but keep playing dumb.

1. Sun God is the manifestation of a WARRIOR. A warrior so powerful that he could liberate the slaves from the powerful individuals who oppressed the people and enslaved them. He is the manifestation of the desires of slaves for there to be a powerful warrior who liberates. So no it's not just "Freedom" no he's the manifestation of a STRONG WARRIOR of Liberation.

2. That is not a manga fact. You're comparing apples to oranges here bruh. Zoro has a sword technique of Demon God. That is not the equivalent of the religious/mythical figure that was Sun God Nika. Only proper comparison in the manga we have to Nika, is the Buddha which Sengoku has. That's it.

1. No, the sun god is a warrior of LIBERATION(Freedom).
The slaves desired freedom and manifested a Sun God.

2. It is a fact and dont bother saying it's not considering that it literally is. You are not gonna lie to me straight to the face.
Zoro's technique Demon god is brought into this world through his desire for power and once he dies it will take a form of a DF.
Same thing happened with Sun god in the past when someone who didnt eat a DF willed it into this world and became Sun God.
Asura is as much of a religious/mythical figure as Nika is. Just as Earth, Rain and Forest gods are.

When you wish for freedom you become Sun God, when you wish for power you become Demon God. Zoro is a manifestation of power.

 

[Xione]

1. No, the sun god is a warrior of LIBERATION(Freedom).
The slaves desired freedom and manifested a Sun God.

2. It is a fact and dont bother saying it's not considering that it literally is. You are not gonna lie to me straight to the face.
Zoro's technique Demon god is brought into this world through his desire for power and once he dies it will take a form of a DF.
Same thing happened with Sun god in the past when someone who didnt eat a DF willed it into this world and became Sun God.
Asura is as much of a religious/mythical figure as Nika is. Just as Earth, Rain and Forest gods are.

When you wish for freedom you become Sun God, when you wish for power you become Demon God. Zoro is a manifestation of power.

1. Bruh. This is what you call not being accurate with presenting the information. The slaves of ancient weren't going "oh we want freedom, we need freedom!!! freedom!!!" and bam out of nowhere Nika manifested. lmao. That's not what happened. The slaves created a figure/image of a legendary warrior that they would pray to, and that strong desire of the slaves having Nika come save them... gave birth to the Devil Fruit of Nika. You're being very disingenuous with your take right now.

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2. What the fuck. Bruh lie to you about?? That Demon God is a damn Sword technique??? That's not what happened with the Sun God. The Sun God was willed into existence by the desires of many slaves. And since when is Asura a religious entity in the world of OP worshipped by many??? As for the rain god etc, sure they're religious entities, but we have 0 ideas how strong the desires were behind them and whether they've manifested into fruits. Possibly could have, but we don't know.

Omg omg omg guys, Zoro's desire for wanting a Dragon was so strong he manifested a Dragon.

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Stop with your disingenuous takes bruh.

When you pray to a specific legendary warrior to come rescue you and bring smile to your faces, it manifests into the Sun God DF.
When you have a sword style like Zoro's he does all this dragon/asura type of auras, you end up with Oda giving him something cool like Asura as his top attack, that's it.


I can bet you anything you want, that we'll see auras similar to Asura from other top swordsmen like Shanks/Mihawk/Roger/Rayleigh when they go all out.

 

[SkySanji]

Echo chamber

 

[Fleet Leader Fenaker]

And has that desire reached godhood like Zoro's desire has? Is Burgess Hito Hito no Mi, mythical Buff Buff god?
There needs to be a god in the name for desire to reach its peak. Sun, Demon, Rain, Forest and Earth gods are peak of desires.
Burgess aint your guy, Zoro is but keep playing dumb.


1. No, the sun god is a warrior of LIBERATION(Freedom).
The slaves desired freedom and manifested a Sun God.

2. It is a fact and dont bother saying it's not considering that it literally is. You are not gonna lie to me straight to the face.
Zoro's technique Demon god is brought into this world through his desire for power and once he dies it will take a form of a DF.
Same thing happened with Sun god in the past when someone who didnt eat a DF willed it into this world and became Sun God.
Asura is as much of a religious/mythical figure as Nika is. Just as Earth, Rain and Forest gods are.

When you wish for freedom you become Sun God, when you wish for power you become Demon God. Zoro is a manifestation of power.

mfs trynna lying on our face , u just need to post this :

 

[nik87]

1. Bruh. This is what you call not being accurate with presenting the information. The slaves of ancient weren't going "oh we want freedom, we need freedom!!! freedom!!!" and bam out of nowhere Nika manifested. lmao. That's not what happened. The slaves created a figure/image of a legendary warrior that they would pray to, and that strong desire of the slaves having Nika come save them... gave birth to the Devil Fruit of Nika. You're being very disingenuous with your take right now.

Just like Zoro has manifested Demon god without being one previously and without eating a DF, someone did the same with Sun God.
If I had to guess it was the original Joyboy who willed it into this world as he wanted to liberate the world from World Government.
It is not the slaves who manifested Freedom in god form, it is someone else. There is nothing disingenuous about this.
Vegapunk says-all things are brought into this world through desire and as long as people wish for him, his existence will never disappear.

2. What the fuck. Bruh lie to you about?? That Demon God is a damn Sword technique??? That's not what happened with the Sun God. The Sun God was willed into existence by the desires of many slaves. And since when is Asura a religious entity in the world of OP worshipped by many??? As for the rain god etc, sure they're religious entities, but we have 0 ideas how strong the desires were behind them and whether they've manifested into fruits. Possibly could have, but we don't know.

Omg omg omg guys, Zoro's desire for wanting a Dragon was so strong he manifested a Dragon.

You keep lying about Zoro not being a Demon God when he literally becomes one at will... Demon god is not a sword technique that anyone can pull of, only Zoro because his desire has willed it into this world. Nobody is capable of Demon God other than Zoro.
No, slaves are incapable of manifesting freedom in god form just like nobody else is capable of manifesting power in god form either.

Asura cant be worshipped because it never existed before and DF hasnt been created yet. Zoro is the first who willed it into this world.
Other gods arent religious entities, they are nothing different than Sun god and Demon god, godly manifestations of certain desires.
All we know those desires reached God status in One Piece world. Yes, Zoro manifests Dragon among others by his sheer will but he didnt become dragon because that desire has already taken form of Kaido's devil fruit. This is very simply so try to keep up.

Stop with your disingenuous takes bruh.

When you pray to a specific legendary warrior to come rescue you and bring smile to your faces, it manifests into the Sun God DF.
When you have a sword style like Zoro's he does all this dragon/asura type of auras, that's it.


I can bet you anything you want, that we'll see auras similar to Asura from other top swordsmen like Shanks/Mihawk/Roger/Rayleigh when they go all out.

This has nothing to do with praying. The desire has to be so strong for a DF to be created and a step further is to reach the peak of it and attain a god status. People are wishing for things left and right every day in OP world, you dont see DFs magically poping around them.
All DFs have been created a long time ago and Demon God DF has never been created yet and only after Zoro's death it will be reborn in form of a Devil Fruit.

I can bet you anything that we will never see anything like Zoro's Asura. Those guys might at best be Rain, Forest, Earth and hidden 6th god at best. Whether through DF like Luffy or through first manifestation like Zoro and they would have god status like Asura. And I am pretty sure that neither Roger nor Rayleigh are those guys. They have no relevance anymore.

mfs trynna lying on our face , u just need to post this :

They should use Photoshop and erase all the meat from Luffy's head and insert Strength while at same time deleting all from Zoro's head.

 

[notAfanboy]

The starting of a cult

It can be challenging to understand how cults start and how individuals join cults, especially when the ideology of a cult often looks nonsensical for those on the outside. Cults are started by charismatic individuals who are skilled at getting people to listen to them. They may have unusual ideas about reality (two piece), or they may even invent an ideology to promote.

There tends to be a leader that the group follows with unquestioning faith. The leader supports and preaches a particular doctrine, belief system, or ideology that members adhere to (Zoro >>>). Members are usually so committed to this belief system that they are easily persuaded to commit unethical if not illegal acts that have been deemed justifiable by the leader.

There is a reason why platforms have content moderation policies. However, if the platform accept it, then it wont be too far fetched to say that the poster is the paid actor here. Obviously to keep forum members engaged during a break. You can dismiss it by calling it a bait thread, but is baiting really ethical? Yet again, this is the reason I always walk away from One Piece discussions.

 

[nik87]

The starting of a cult

It can be challenging to understand how cults start and how individuals join cults, especially when the ideology of a cult often looks nonsensical for those on the outside. Cults are started by charismatic individuals who are skilled at getting people to listen to them. They may have unusual ideas about reality (two piece), or they may even invent an ideology to promote.

There tends to be a leader that the group follows with unquestioning faith. The leader supports and preaches a particular doctrine, belief system, or ideology that members adhere to (Zoro >>>). Members are usually so committed to this belief system that they are easily persuaded to commit unethical if not illegal acts that have been deemed justifiable by the leader.

There is a reason why platforms have content moderation policies. However, if the platform accept it, then it wont be too far fetched to say that the poster is the paid actor here. Obviously to keep forum members engaged during a break. You can dismiss it by calling it a bait thread, but is baiting really ethical? Yet again, this is the reason I always walk away from One Piece discussions.

Both Luffy and Zoro brought into this world manifestations of their strongest desires.
Luffy brought Sun god, warrior of Liberation into this world that nobody else could bring since Void Century.
Zoro brought Demon god, a manifestation of power that nobody ever willed into existence.

These are facts, thanks to latest info from Vegapunk.
Whether or not the MC cult has decided that Zoro isnt allowed to be #1 of OP world, it is what it is.
Nobody is forced to believe these, they can figure it out by themselves. I am just slightly ahead of others at that realization.

 

[comrade]

You still don't get my point. Zoro's ambition stops once he becomes the WSS. That's the end of it. He doesn't strive to become strong enough to go beyond that. Hence "strength" in and of itself is not Zoros ultimate desire. That's why Nik calling Zoro a "a power hungry warrior who only desires strength" is BS, because if he ultimately desired strength above all else, then he wouldn't stop at just the WSS.

If something happened to Mihawk right now, and the World started recognizing Zoro as the new WSS, then Zoro will have reached his goal, and would no longer strive to become stronger and stronger.

That's not entirely true. When Zoro bowed down to Mihawk to ask for his teachings, because he wants to become "strong", Mihawk pointed out it's because Zoro found an even greater purpose than his own ambition, which is to be a good right hand man to Luffy. So becoming the most powerful swordsman among Yonko/PK level peers is just his original goal, while is grander purpose has become to help Luffy achieve his dreams using power alone (since he has no other skills like the other members, like navigating, building and cooking), helping Luffy, who is the second coming of Joyboy, to become the freest person in the world and overthrow the government, with Luffy's most powerful ability being described as making those around him his allies. It's like Shirahoshi commanding an army of Sea Kings, Luffy has the "power" to make the most powerful ones wanting to follow his cause.

 

[BigAmmi]

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

And has that desire reached godhood like Zoro's desire has? Is Burgess Hito Hito no Mi, mythical Buff Buff god?
There needs to be a god in the name for desire to reach its peak. Sun, Demon, Rain, Forest and Earth gods are peak of desires.
Burgess aint your guy, Zoro is but keep playing dumb.


1. No, the sun god is a warrior of LIBERATION(Freedom).
The slaves desired freedom and manifested a Sun God.

2. It is a fact and dont bother saying it's not considering that it literally is. You are not gonna lie to me straight to the face.
Zoro's technique Demon god is brought into this world through his desire for power and once he dies it will take a form of a DF.
Same thing happened with Sun god in the past when someone who didnt eat a DF willed it into this world and became Sun God.
Asura is as much of a religious/mythical figure as Nika is. Just as Earth, Rain and Forest gods are.

When you wish for freedom you become Sun God, when you wish for power you become Demon God. Zoro is a manifestation of power.

What "Godhood" are you even talking about for Zoro? That shit don't even exist. There is only one "God" fruit in existence and that is the Nika fruit. Sengoku has the literal Buddah devil fruit, and even that's not considered a God fruit. If Asura gets manifested into a Devil Fruit, it would not be considered a God fruit, when Asura are regarded more as Demigods than anything. So if the literal God Buddah isn't considered a God fruit, then the demigod Asura damn sure won't be.

 

[Fleet Leader Fenaker]

Zoro found an even greater purpose than his own ambition,

headcanons everywhere as u can see lmao , Zoro wants to get stronger that's all in his mind and the proof of that :

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Also Zoro's ambition stops at WSS is a nice headcanon when Zoro in his 40 and 60 got stronger :

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[comrade]

Lol, yeah. Being strong is the only thing Zoro thinks about.

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

headcanons everywhere as u can see lmao , Zoro wants to get stronger that's all in his mind and the proof of that :

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Also Zoro's ambition stops at WSS is a nice headcanon when Zoro in his 40 and 60 got stronger :

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Typical Fenaker using a "Five Sword style" gag panel to claim older Zoro got stronger....

Last I checked 9 > 5

 

[Fleet Leader Fenaker]

Typical Fenaker using a "Five Sword style" gag panel to claim older Zoro got stronger....

gag ? the last time i checked 5 > 4 > 3

 

[L55]

Typical Fenaker using a "Five Sword style" gag panel to claim older Zoro got stronger....

Last I checked 9 > 5

How its a gag?

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

That's not entirely true. When Zoro bowed down to Mihawk to ask for his teachings, because he wants to become "strong", Mihawk pointed out it's because Zoro found an even greater purpose than his own ambition, which is to be a good right hand man to Luffy. So becoming the most powerful swordsman among Yonko/PK level peers is just his original goal, while is grander purpose has become to help Luffy achieve his dreams using power alone (since he has no other skills like the other members, like navigating, building and cooking), helping Luffy, who is the second coming of Joyboy, to become the freest person in the world and overthrow the government, with Luffy's most powerful ability being described as making those around him his allies. It's like Shirahoshi commanding an army of Sea Kings, Luffy has the "power" to make the most powerful ones wanting to follow his cause.

Luffy wants to be stronger to protect the crew..... Not just the crew, but everyone he cares about. So by this logic, Luffy desires strength above all else as well.

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How its a gag?

What's Zoro going to hold that 5th Sword with? His butt cheeks?

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gag ? the last time i checked 5 > 4 > 3

And Ashura is 9 Swords.....

 

[L55]

What's Zoro going to hold that 5th Sword with? His butt cheeks?

Maybe he loses his legs like shiki
And uses 2 swords instead of legs
Or 2 swords in 1 hand

 

[comrade]

Luffy wants to be stronger to protect the crew..... Not just the crew, but everyone he cares about. So by this logic, Luffy desires strength above all else as well.

It's not Luffy's ultimate goal. Everyone of the strawhats wants to become stronger to be of help. Yet every straw hat has his own ambition and role. Luffy wants to become the PK, to be the freest man. Nami wants to be the best navigator, Sanji wants to find the All Blue. Zoro wants to be the most powerful swordsman and also wants to aid Luffy in achieving all of his goals - just like the other members of course, but while the other members make important contributions through other skills (cooking, navigating, building, doctor), Zoro has only one skill, which is power. And with power alone, Zoro is Luffy's right hand man. The Moon to the Sun (Shimotsuki literally meaning frost moon), and Zoro symbolizing the Demon God Asura and King of Hell.

 

[Fleet Leader Fenaker]

And Ashura is 9 Swords.....

Did Zori get a stronger style than three sword style or not

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Holy hell nik.....


I just love how you use 'power-hungry' as a positive trait