General & Others The Problem With Post Timeskip
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yeah its clear since we only have like 6 chap of reverie with 1 or 2 in between act. why would you shift focus ? If he want to focus mainly to reverie oda would delay wano and he chosed not to. There are ups and down obviously but you really cant start to focus on the rev while the raid is on the horizon. by the gods you also need to set up oden's flashback.
NO SHIT there are no franky fight for that many chapter. as soon as we got his fight he started suplexing dudes. please try what would you do to signify growth in zou? dont be that guy who just complain and cant do shit
AND I SAID chopper post time skip have many opportunity to lead other, like lead carrot and bigmom. this has not happened pre-timeksip. The fact that even a mod dont even understand this is kinda baffling
Chapter number is to address people who compares the entire pre ts to now in post ts, which is like 200 chapter short. you cant even understand that?
my one of many critisism regarding post ts, sabo should stay dead and rebeca should eat that fruit.
NO SHIT there are no franky fight for that many chapter. as soon as we got his fight he started suplexing dudes. please try what would you do to signify growth in zou? dont be that guy who just complain and cant do shit
AND I SAID chopper post time skip have many opportunity to lead other, like lead carrot and bigmom. this has not happened pre-timeksip. The fact that even a mod dont even understand this is kinda baffling
Chapter number is to address people who compares the entire pre ts to now in post ts, which is like 200 chapter short. you cant even understand that?
my one of many critisism regarding post ts, sabo should stay dead and rebeca should eat that fruit.
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Again you're just assuming that the pacing would get messed up. How many panels would a little extra info use up? Would Wano's executed the same? Would little things be scrapped? You have no idea but is making stuff up for the sake of your argument. It's like a saying a movie would be exactly the same no matter which director it's under.
Growth has to be significant? Franky suplexing people 200 chapters later is significant growth? Is this one of those "I'd like to see you do a better job" lines?
I'm talking about development and growth during the fight. It matters as it was Franky's first big fight since Fukurou, and he has remained stagnant for a long time. Even Zoro displayed character growth fighting Hyouzou and Pica(adopting Mihawk's philosophies). Franky showing suplexes later doesn't add onto the fight as we already knew Franky respected Senor.
It's like defending a plot hole cause it got explained seasons later(and no not saying anything OP related is a plot hole so dont make it about that)
You're using my position as a mod for your argument??? So either you think moderators are much better than regular members or that all mods must have the same opinions as you?
You randomly said you can tell when people speed run OP when they say Chopper had no development, and then proceeded to say why he has development......like ok? Did someone say Chopper has none in the topic? Did I say or imply it? It comes off as an excuse to generalize....it failed horribly which is why I have no idea what you were trying to achieve....I guess using my position as a distraction was the better choice?
Once again, what are you talking about? What does that have to do the with the thread or anything I've said? Doesnt matter how short or long each portion is.....its such a pointless and useless thing to say which I'm, again, asking what you're trying to achieve with that.
Growth has to be significant? Franky suplexing people 200 chapters later is significant growth? Is this one of those "I'd like to see you do a better job" lines?
I'm talking about development and growth during the fight. It matters as it was Franky's first big fight since Fukurou, and he has remained stagnant for a long time. Even Zoro displayed character growth fighting Hyouzou and Pica(adopting Mihawk's philosophies). Franky showing suplexes later doesn't add onto the fight as we already knew Franky respected Senor.
It's like defending a plot hole cause it got explained seasons later(and no not saying anything OP related is a plot hole so dont make it about that)
You're using my position as a mod for your argument??? So either you think moderators are much better than regular members or that all mods must have the same opinions as you?
You randomly said you can tell when people speed run OP when they say Chopper had no development, and then proceeded to say why he has development......like ok? Did someone say Chopper has none in the topic? Did I say or imply it? It comes off as an excuse to generalize....it failed horribly which is why I have no idea what you were trying to achieve....I guess using my position as a distraction was the better choice?
Once again, what are you talking about? What does that have to do the with the thread or anything I've said? Doesnt matter how short or long each portion is.....its such a pointless and useless thing to say which I'm, again, asking what you're trying to achieve with that.
Dressrosa is the Alabasta of the new World, they basically have the same story lol it would be more accurate to compare Kyros to Koza, who Oda also wasted panels on but he's completly irrelevant now, so he's worse than Kyros by your logic
I would say the problem is Kyros story wasn't that enjoyable, wasting panels on minor characters was in pre ts too, there's a reason the Manga is almost a thousand chapters long after all lol
the side characters and their stories post ts are less enjoyable than in pre ts, thats the actual problem, except in WCI IMO
I would say the problem is Kyros story wasn't that enjoyable, wasting panels on minor characters was in pre ts too, there's a reason the Manga is almost a thousand chapters long after all lol
the side characters and their stories post ts are less enjoyable than in pre ts, thats the actual problem, except in WCI IMO
Guys, Haki was factor since chapter 250, Blackbeard has mentioned it himseld. The problem was, as Oda introduced the concepts, he had tomake them more visually appealing. Luffy shows off conquerers with Duval's Bison, Amazon Lily, Impel Down Wolves and Marineford. Observation was shown during Amazon Lily and hardening was shown too, he just didnt have a visual for it..
Im not sure why its a problem some Shichibukai do not have haki when they have hax devil fruits.
Im not sure why its a problem some Shichibukai do not have haki when they have hax devil fruits.
Man if they made Sabo into an Obito like character
But knowing OP is all fairies and rainbows, Oda wouldn't have the balls to do it.
Have we ever had a "good" character turn bad ? And Im not talking about characters that were already bad to begin with.
But knowing OP is all fairies and rainbows, Oda wouldn't have the balls to do it.
Have we ever had a "good" character turn bad ? And Im not talking about characters that were already bad to begin with.
This isn't a matter of strength or haki level but will. Both Crocodile and Moriah were defeated in a moment they lacked actual confidence on their actual, own capabilities as they had their dreams shattered by an emperor. There's no reason for them to use haki back then since their spirit was broken and their ambitions relied on easy, external sources of power.
Going by this logic everyone who gets defeated like 10 to 20 years ago in the one piece world can't use hardening or can't read the movements of his/her opponent anymore... this has nothing to do with will.
We knew that ace had haki as well... why didn't he attack akainu with haki? Or why didn't he try to defend himself with haki? Was his will shattered too? I mean, you have vergo or pica going fullbody black hardening, which is the most basic of hardening while the 2. division commander of wb did not use any haki (it is confirmed that he had all 3 types of haki).
What else if not plothole?
It isn't about getting defeated but having their dreams shattered and, in Moriah's case, his crew killed. The two of them were basically confirmed to be broken inside. Basically like Luffy after Ace's death if he hadn't had a crew to rely on. That Luffy would never develop his haki properly because he had lost his haki to begin with (spirit, ambition, etc.).
Why do you assume that Sakazuki, who not only was miles above Ace in terms of strength but also had an inherently stronger devil fruit and probably a way better haki on his own (considering what happened versus Marco and Vista), would give a damn about Ace's haki? Did Luffy prevent his flesh from being pierced by Hody Jones's bite? Why would some haki prevent Ace from being destroyed by a monster above him in probably everything by a big margin?
In Marineford many characters used haki, a different thing is that some usages were made explicit and others weren't (we have no way to distinguish wether whatever character used it or not, apart from confirmed or obvious cases, because it wasn't coloured). And Oda introduced Garp hurting Luffy with a mere punch right after Enies Lobby, so odds are that he already had something in mind and that the CP9, as a Paradise force, just wasn't taught haki.
Why do you assume that Sakazuki, who not only was miles above Ace in terms of strength but also had an inherently stronger devil fruit and probably a way better haki on his own (considering what happened versus Marco and Vista), would give a damn about Ace's haki? Did Luffy prevent his flesh from being pierced by Hody Jones's bite? Why would some haki prevent Ace from being destroyed by a monster above him in probably everything by a big margin?
In Marineford many characters used haki, a different thing is that some usages were made explicit and others weren't (we have no way to distinguish wether whatever character used it or not, apart from confirmed or obvious cases, because it wasn't coloured). And Oda introduced Garp hurting Luffy with a mere punch right after Enies Lobby, so odds are that he already had something in mind and that the CP9, as a Paradise force, just wasn't taught haki.
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Their will was not conpletely shattered, because both of them had ambitions. Crocodile with pluto and moria with his zombie crew. Thdy worked for years for their ambition, someone who has an ambition CANNOT be without a will.
I am pretty sure in a sbs oda said that crocodile can use haki.
And with ace and akainu, it isn't about who had the stronger haki but that ace simply DID NOT USE IT. He used his devil fruit which was obviously useless against akainu, so logic says he should use a second power which he has, WHICH IS HAKI...
And again, oda introduced haki pretty early. I said that too. But the point is, he did not knot HOW TO IMPLEMENT IT.
If you ask me, he never considered that "everyone" should have haki (at least in the new world) and wanted that only the upper class people have it and most probably people with the D. would have the strongest haki. Which could be the case even now.
But, somewhere down the road (many years later) he wanted to change that, so that everyone can use haki and fight against logia user.
I mean, oda said that he thought that op would end in 5 years but it seems that it will take 30 years in total. Meaning an additional 25 years. Which means an additional plot 5 times higher than usually intended. As such, it is pretty obvious that he simply changed his mind with regards to haki.
And somebody meant that after the timeskip haki is coloured... that is simply not the case.
We have seen haki from sentomaru, rayleigh and the sisters of hancock. Oh and whitebeard used haki against kizaru. All of them used advanced haki. Which is even now not coloured. But after the timeskip oda just introduced basic armament haki, which is black. Dafuq?
Either way, I said my point and won't reply anymore. Best wishes 🙂
I am pretty sure in a sbs oda said that crocodile can use haki.
And with ace and akainu, it isn't about who had the stronger haki but that ace simply DID NOT USE IT. He used his devil fruit which was obviously useless against akainu, so logic says he should use a second power which he has, WHICH IS HAKI...
And again, oda introduced haki pretty early. I said that too. But the point is, he did not knot HOW TO IMPLEMENT IT.
If you ask me, he never considered that "everyone" should have haki (at least in the new world) and wanted that only the upper class people have it and most probably people with the D. would have the strongest haki. Which could be the case even now.
But, somewhere down the road (many years later) he wanted to change that, so that everyone can use haki and fight against logia user.
I mean, oda said that he thought that op would end in 5 years but it seems that it will take 30 years in total. Meaning an additional 25 years. Which means an additional plot 5 times higher than usually intended. As such, it is pretty obvious that he simply changed his mind with regards to haki.
And somebody meant that after the timeskip haki is coloured... that is simply not the case.
We have seen haki from sentomaru, rayleigh and the sisters of hancock. Oh and whitebeard used haki against kizaru. All of them used advanced haki. Which is even now not coloured. But after the timeskip oda just introduced basic armament haki, which is black. Dafuq?
Either way, I said my point and won't reply anymore. Best wishes 🙂
Both of which are sources of power that prevent them from relying on their actual strength because they were broken weaklings without spirit on his own.
He didn't.
You can't know whether he used it or not because Oda didn't colour it back then. The only way we had to detect armament usage was, apart from advanced's shockwaves, its obvious consequences (Jozu makes Kuzan bleed, Sengoku does so to Luffy), explicit statements (Smoker versus Hancock) or huge showings (Admirals creating a barrier together). For all we know, Ace could have used it with no result because Sakazuki was stronger.
In what sense? He already knew haki would be used to hurt devil fruit users back in Enies Lobby (Garp's fist), and by Marineford he had it as both a barrier (admirals stopping an earthquake) and as a way to harden things (Kujas arrows).
This is another possibility, but I don't know about Ace. Every prominent Whitebeard pirate among their fellow commanders was either confirmed to use haki (Marco, Jozu, Vista) or strongly suggested (Shanks afraid of Teach hurting Ace in spite of ignoring his new fruit). It could be the case, though.
After the timeskip we still see non-colored basic haki, and pretimeskip we had scenes where armament was clearly used but it was not visible in any way but its consequence itsel (Jozu tackling Kuzan). I don't find anything weird about this.
Okay.
He didn't.
You can't know whether he used it or not because Oda didn't colour it back then. The only way we had to detect armament usage was, apart from advanced's shockwaves, its obvious consequences (Jozu makes Kuzan bleed, Sengoku does so to Luffy), explicit statements (Smoker versus Hancock) or huge showings (Admirals creating a barrier together). For all we know, Ace could have used it with no result because Sakazuki was stronger.
In what sense? He already knew haki would be used to hurt devil fruit users back in Enies Lobby (Garp's fist), and by Marineford he had it as both a barrier (admirals stopping an earthquake) and as a way to harden things (Kujas arrows).
This is another possibility, but I don't know about Ace. Every prominent Whitebeard pirate among their fellow commanders was either confirmed to use haki (Marco, Jozu, Vista) or strongly suggested (Shanks afraid of Teach hurting Ace in spite of ignoring his new fruit). It could be the case, though.
After the timeskip we still see non-colored basic haki, and pretimeskip we had scenes where armament was clearly used but it was not visible in any way but its consequence itsel (Jozu tackling Kuzan). I don't find anything weird about this.
Okay.
Not really sure what about this is testing the patience of the reader, if the reader can't be patience then that's on the reader no? Oda's concern should be making sure he's making one piece to the best of his abilities, not to appease the fans but to tell his own story. If the story isn't liked by the fans, then oh well it wasn't that good of a story (or just matter of different taste). If it's liked by the fans then great it was a great story.
- Ryuuma was always a side lore piece not a significant individual who would have a great impact. To be real, it'd be fine if we get nothing on the man, if Oda can write something about him in a side-piece. As for Toki, Wano arc is still going on so her future is questionable. The reveal with her and the ancient kingdom is only less than 20 chapters ago, it more than likely will be brought up again once we find out what exactly happened with Toki or how she died but her daughter escaped (probably could be Hiyori's side of the story or something who knows). But if it's never brought up, then it means it's not significant to the plot of the story, she was a side character with a possible interesting past and a nice power who played an important role in deciding Wano's future.
I think we have a different way of looking at the manga, for me the mysteries are just there, and they'll get answered eventually. Not something I personally trip over. So I find the mysteries interesting, rather than irritating & teasing.
- Ryuuma was always a side lore piece not a significant individual who would have a great impact. To be real, it'd be fine if we get nothing on the man, if Oda can write something about him in a side-piece. As for Toki, Wano arc is still going on so her future is questionable. The reveal with her and the ancient kingdom is only less than 20 chapters ago, it more than likely will be brought up again once we find out what exactly happened with Toki or how she died but her daughter escaped (probably could be Hiyori's side of the story or something who knows). But if it's never brought up, then it means it's not significant to the plot of the story, she was a side character with a possible interesting past and a nice power who played an important role in deciding Wano's future.
I think we have a different way of looking at the manga, for me the mysteries are just there, and they'll get answered eventually. Not something I personally trip over. So I find the mysteries interesting, rather than irritating & teasing.