Future Events The Structure of One Piece's Final Plotline Has Been Clear For Hundreds of Chapters
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@T.D.A
this seems like a lot of semantics.
This sbs is sort of saying that the other interpretation is correct right?
The person asking the question is worried that 5 years is too randomly soon for everything to end. And Oda is saying that's not what's happening.
So Oda is clarifying that 5 years is enough for Luffy to reach laugh tale but then there's something else after that.
Isn't that what the question is saying?
Like outside of semantics, what do you think Oda is saying to this reader
@T.D.A
So is the five years the end of the entire story or not according to you?
this seems like a lot of semantics.
This sbs is sort of saying that the other interpretation is correct right?
The person asking the question is worried that 5 years is too randomly soon for everything to end. And Oda is saying that's not what's happening.
So Oda is clarifying that 5 years is enough for Luffy to reach laugh tale but then there's something else after that.
Isn't that what the question is saying?
Like outside of semantics, what do you think Oda is saying to this reader
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@T.D.A
So is the five years the end of the entire story or not according to you?
Yes, and both phrases are connected. The Great War will happen because the One Piece is found and the World is turned upside down. There is not going to be a Great War, then the One Piece is found and the World is turned upside down. The One Piece will be found, the World will be turned upside down, and a Great War will break out because of it.
The World Government have been hiding the events of the Void Century for this very reason. Nobody is going to give a damn about the the events of the Void Century if the World Government are wiped out prior to the World finding out. It doesn't make sense.
The World Government have been hiding the events of the Void Century for this very reason. Nobody is going to give a damn about the the events of the Void Century if the World Government are wiped out prior to the World finding out. It doesn't make sense.
What Oda says in his answer is that in 5 years time, Luffy is likely to be Pirate King hence his adventure more or less over. In those 5 years, we're going to get the big war. Oda's based on the translation is pretty clear the Grand War plot starts after Wano is done and Luffy proceeds. Also don't forget the gears have already started moving towards this war as we speak, with the abolition of the Shichibukai, the incidents with Sabo and Alabasta and so on, all while Wano is taking place.
He quite literally avoids saying the "serialization" (his words) but instead says "Luffy's journey". Luffy's journey has always been to Laugh Tale. The Final War really isn't about that, its about what comes after (this is specifically Roger and Whitebeards words, which are Oda's words). Luffy is thinking about becoming PK and finding One Piece, not toppling the World Government. However, we KNOW that the story is leading Luffy to being the man that "challenges the world".
This is why Oda calls Impel Down/Marineford a side-story, it had little bearing on the actual, physical progress of Luffy's journey. The Final War won't be a "side-story" per se, but it still doesn't serve as progress to Luffy journey, because that journey will already be over.
I think that is an important difference to make here. There are clear points in the dialogue and story that specify this. This is why I made the OP.
This is why Oda calls Impel Down/Marineford a side-story, it had little bearing on the actual, physical progress of Luffy's journey. The Final War won't be a "side-story" per se, but it still doesn't serve as progress to Luffy journey, because that journey will already be over.
I think that is an important difference to make here. There are clear points in the dialogue and story that specify this. This is why I made the OP.
You guys are looking at it as a war like Marineford or Wano etc. Oda is calling this the biggest war in history, this is a world war, think of this war as being likely to span over multiple months/years. Hence if it is, it's definitely plausible that Luffy reaches Laugh Tale whilst the world war is currently going on, and then Luffy finds OP which causes the world to turn even further and towards the conclusion of the war.
Okay so Oda is NOT clarifying anything then?
The announcement is that in 5 years the story ends.
Then someone writes to Oda complaining about that saying it's too soon
Then Oda responds by doubling down and saying "yes its ending in five years so get excited"
Is this what you think is happening here? Like I'm not asking for specific theories or flow of events. Is this what you think the entire point of this question and answer is?
Someone is worried over the story supposedly ending too fast and Oda tells him it's fine, they should just get over it and get ready for the inevitable.
The announcement is that in 5 years the story ends.
Then someone writes to Oda complaining about that saying it's too soon
Then Oda responds by doubling down and saying "yes its ending in five years so get excited"
Is this what you think is happening here? Like I'm not asking for specific theories or flow of events. Is this what you think the entire point of this question and answer is?
Someone is worried over the story supposedly ending too fast and Oda tells him it's fine, they should just get over it and get ready for the inevitable.
Yes, but let it be known that:
- Whitebeard himself says that the prophesied person must find One Piece first before challenging the world.
- Roger himself, who found One Piece, said he was too early.
- Rayleigh said the same thing.
- Luffy hasn't even found the 4th Road Poneglyph yet. They still need to obtain the 3rd this arc.
- Literally hundreds of plot points still need to be set up addressed.
We aren't going to get the Final War immediately. The crew won't just be magically dropped in front of Mariejois or "destroy" Fishman Island like its been prophesized. Things need to escalate and build naturally. Elbaf has been teased for 20 years. These things serve a means to drive the current plot of Luffy's journey.
I agree that we may see the Final War actually start post-Wano, with lets say Alabasta declaring war on the WG, but I don't expect a 100 revolting Kingdoms knocking on Im's doorstep 20 chapters after Wano finishes.
edit: Ugh, I think you and I are honestly agreeing and I'm just an idiot lol
- Whitebeard himself says that the prophesied person must find One Piece first before challenging the world.
- Roger himself, who found One Piece, said he was too early.
- Rayleigh said the same thing.
- Luffy hasn't even found the 4th Road Poneglyph yet. They still need to obtain the 3rd this arc.
- Literally hundreds of plot points still need to be set up addressed.
We aren't going to get the Final War immediately. The crew won't just be magically dropped in front of Mariejois or "destroy" Fishman Island like its been prophesized. Things need to escalate and build naturally. Elbaf has been teased for 20 years. These things serve a means to drive the current plot of Luffy's journey.
I agree that we may see the Final War actually start post-Wano, with lets say Alabasta declaring war on the WG, but I don't expect a 100 revolting Kingdoms knocking on Im's doorstep 20 chapters after Wano finishes.
edit: Ugh, I think you and I are honestly agreeing and I'm just an idiot lol
It doesn't seem that way because Dragon has his own plotline in which he is trying to overthrow the World Government. But when Whitebeard speaks of the Great War it's in reference to finding the One Piece, not a war between the Revolutionaries and the World Government. How Oda goes about merging the two plotlines remains to be seen, but this "Great War" is something that has been been known about for ages now. Roger passed the information to Whitebeard, and Whitebeard made it know during Marineford. This thing is going to involve the Marines, Revo, World Government, Pirates, the Ancient Weapons, etc... It's essentially going to be Ragnarok.
That's essentially what I am saying, Lol. The Revo's vs the WG is just the beginning, but as that's going on Luffy will reach Raftel and become Pirate King, and learn the History of the World. The Straw Hats will then take that information and blow the lid wide open. After that it will no longer just be the Revo's vs the WG, but the rest of the World will get involved in some way shape or form. It'll be like throwing a nuke into a campfire.
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That's essentially what I am saying, Lol. The Revo's vs the WG is just the beginning, but as that's going on Luffy will reach Raftel and become Pirate King, and learn the History of the World. The Straw Hats will then take that information and blow the lid wide open. After that it will no longer just be the Revo's vs the WG, but the rest of the World will get involved in some way shape or form. It'll be like throwing a nuke into a campfire.
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Well this is no big news my friend
Oda stated many years ago he wanted to make the final war the biggest ever; so big MF would have looked like a small battle instead
At the end of the day I'm sure the first time Garp introduced the yonko to Luffy he had already made his mind on the Yonko arcs and their plots
This is how much Oda thinks ahead with his story
Oda stated many years ago he wanted to make the final war the biggest ever; so big MF would have looked like a small battle instead
At the end of the day I'm sure the first time Garp introduced the yonko to Luffy he had already made his mind on the Yonko arcs and their plots
This is how much Oda thinks ahead with his story
This is impossible. I think the best bet is 3 years after laugh tale.
@Finalbeta
It's big news though. The war is seems to longer be part of this 5 year limit
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@Finalbeta
It's big news though. The war is seems to longer be part of this 5 year limit
The news is really the "structure". Beyond Laugh Tale, now we know the story really isn't ending. Even bigger news is that Oda isn't even saying the story is ending after 5 years, just the "road" to answer "what One Piece really is. When you combine that with what some of the most important characters have specified in the story, you get the idea that Laugh Tale comes before Luffy's involvement in the Final War.
This aligns with Oda's comments about Marineford and calling that 100 chapter plotline a "side-story". He personally feels that if it doesn't make progress on Luffy's literal journey to Laugh Tale, its not really "progress" of the story. This is also why he's saying the story is "over" when Luffy's journey is over, even though it fundamentally isn't and could continue for years following that, because its very likely the events of the final war and final conflicts.
This aligns with Oda's comments about Marineford and calling that 100 chapter plotline a "side-story". He personally feels that if it doesn't make progress on Luffy's literal journey to Laugh Tale, its not really "progress" of the story. This is also why he's saying the story is "over" when Luffy's journey is over, even though it fundamentally isn't and could continue for years following that, because its very likely the events of the final war and final conflicts.
The Throne Wars is already in progress. WB said the whole world will be turned upside down when One Piece is found, and the final war will engulf the entire world.
Everything points to Luffy finding One Piece(and Robin fully realizing the true history in Raftel) will spark the World War that will take out the WG.
Everything points to Luffy finding One Piece(and Robin fully realizing the true history in Raftel) will spark the World War that will take out the WG.
Its simpler than that:
- Journey to One Piece will finish in the next 5 years or so. This will include plotlines that lead them to Laugh Tale, such as the 4th Road Poneglyph and potentially Elbaf. The Final War probably will start/be set up to begin.
- Serialization won't be over, indicating final conflicts will continue after (i.e. final war).
Whether or not Blackbeard is not the main villain and falls pre-final war, or Im is actually faught, or Shanks is the true final antagonist is up to the interpretation of the viewer.
For now, we can at least breathe that One Piece itself is not ending in 5 years because Oda knows he has way too much to do still.
- Journey to One Piece will finish in the next 5 years or so. This will include plotlines that lead them to Laugh Tale, such as the 4th Road Poneglyph and potentially Elbaf. The Final War probably will start/be set up to begin.
- Serialization won't be over, indicating final conflicts will continue after (i.e. final war).
Whether or not Blackbeard is not the main villain and falls pre-final war, or Im is actually faught, or Shanks is the true final antagonist is up to the interpretation of the viewer.
For now, we can at least breathe that One Piece itself is not ending in 5 years because Oda knows he has way too much to do still.
Not only that, but look how long Oda has kept the Revolutionaries as a plotline in the series. Their role is to already spark revolutions against the WG, a lot of that work is already done too. Then throw in the concepts of CP-0 directly serving the Tenryuubito or the SSG replacing the Shichibukai. Oda is slowly but surely leading us to this final conflict.
And then even on top of this there's a plethora of other smaller things like the Underworld or Level 6 pirates roaming free. It'll be interesting to see how Oda ties all of this in.
No hes talking about the Manga, "One Piece". Not that there will be a war for it. At worst, I see Blackbeard fighting Luffy over it somehow. Thats pretty much it in my book.
The biggest war is the final war. The one starting after Wano and set up by the Reverie. Though, Luffy probably won't even get involved until after he is PK, at least imo.
And then even on top of this there's a plethora of other smaller things like the Underworld or Level 6 pirates roaming free. It'll be interesting to see how Oda ties all of this in.
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No hes talking about the Manga, "One Piece". Not that there will be a war for it. At worst, I see Blackbeard fighting Luffy over it somehow. Thats pretty much it in my book.
The biggest war is the final war. The one starting after Wano and set up by the Reverie. Though, Luffy probably won't even get involved until after he is PK, at least imo.
