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[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Retcon.
We know, today, that what Zoro used against Daz Bones and mastered against Ohm's iron dial was, indeed, Ryou (not ACoA).
Why he didnt use it, or it didnt work on Enel?
Ask the retcon man.
We even learned that Tekkai from cp9 is also CoA during the jimbo vs whoswho fight.

Jimbe's line confirms it WASN'T Armament Haki.

 

[Royal Kick]

Or.. Get this.. Not every attack he used had ACoA imbued in it.

So he wasn't a true ACoA user in the sense that he couldn't control it and use it at will? If that's your point, I can understand, but if you're telling me he just chose to not use it again, that doesn't make any sense to me.

It's obvious there are conflicting facts here. I'm well aware of Hyogoro's words being exactly what Zoro's master talked about in Arabasta flashback, but the strongest evidence should take precedence over the weaker one, and Zoro being unable to cut Logia users way after Arabasta is clearly the strongest evidence.

Retcon.
We know, today, that what Zoro used against Daz Bones and mastered against Ohm's iron dial was, indeed, Ryou (not ACoA).
Why he didnt use it, or it didnt work on Enel?
Ask the retcon man.
We even learned that Tekkai from cp9 is also CoA during the jimbo vs whoswho fight.

It would only make sense if it was an ability he could awaken only sporadically with no real control over it imo.

 

[RayanOO]

It would only make sense if it was an ability he could awaken only sporadically with no real control over it imo.

Given how his COC is treated right now it’s not unbelievable at all

He could only unlock it briefly and without being conscious of it pre ts with SSSS

 

[Royal Kick]

Given how his COC is treated right now it’s not unbelievable at all

He could only unlock it briefly and without being conscious of it pre ts with SSSS

Yeah, that's the only explanation that would make sense. Because Zoro was kinda aware of what he used to take down Daz Bones, he knew it was the power to cut everything he wanted. Knowing that, there's no way he would consciously choose to not try it against a Logia.

I wonder if Oda will go down the "Asura and DJ were CoC all along" road. Haki is such an inconsistent power system that I know Oda is capable of retconing a lot of things about it, even when it barely makes sense.

 

[Doggo]

Yeah, that's the only explanation that would make sense. Because Zoro was kinda aware of what he used to take down Daz Bones, he knew it was the power to cut everything he wanted. Knowing that, there's no way he would consciously choose to not try it against a Logia.

I wonder if Oda will go down the "Asura and DJ were CoC all along" road. Haki is such an inconsistent power system that I know Oda is capable of retconing a lot of things about it, even when it barely makes sense.

Zoro spend the post-Alabasta/Skypie arc trying to use it again.

 

[Rumble]

But Oda never said you need to master every advanced form of haki to be at the top, it might just be MC privilege because he's the future strongest character in the verse.

Oda doesn't say much period. The manga very points to advanced Haki techniques as being necessary to compete at the highest level.

That's indisputable at this point.

I don't see what the fact ACoA wasn't enough to take down Kaido, or the fact Gaban can use FS and CoC coating, has anything to do with whether he has ACoA.

Chapter 1009 to 1010 makes it clear CoC Infusion is a suped-up version of the advanced Armament techniques that, at least in Kaidou's view, marks someone as among the strongest in the world.

I've posted the screenshots, you're welcome to draw your own conclusions.

It's very simple to me, those who were born with CoC and have the potential to be among the best fighters in the world can get CoC coating in addition to ACoO/ACoA, but the only ones who can get both ACoO and ACoA are true haki prodigies like Joy Boy, Luffy and possibly Roger. I see it as an extremely rare and difficult achievement.

I don't think your theory has much foundation.

The other ones with lower potential, like Gaban, Rayleigh, Zoro and Sanji, can only get either ACoO or ACoA, depending on their haki specialization, and combine it with CoC coating. That would explain why Kaido was never clearly shown to be capable of using ACoA either, he only seemed to have ACoC and FS. And BM was never shown to be able to use FS.

You could be right, I'm not saying I'm 100% convinced what I'm saying is true, but that's how I feel right now.

I don't share your perception on the accessibility to advanced Armament techniques, or lack thereof.

There are plenty of confirmed users of Emission. There are only two on panel-users of Internal Destruction: Rayleigh and Luffy.

Oh, the "barrier " haki or whatever

Blackened limb = CoA Harden (basic)
Barrier emitting from it = CoA Emission (advanced)

Internal Destruction is high level shit that hasn't been used yet in a fight by anyone. Rayleigh and Luffy used it to destroy the collars.

 

[FutureWarrior123]

If you think Zoro used ACoA against Daz Bones, explain that panel:

You believe Zoro used an advanced application of CoA back when he couldn't even cut Logia users and use basic CoA coating?

It might not be emission (Ryuo = CoA in general) but I don’t know how it can be any more clear that it’s Haki related when Oda had Ryuo explained in the same exact way as what was needed to cut Daz Bones.

 

[Rumble]

It might not be emission (Ryuo = CoA in general) but I don’t know how it can be any more clear that it’s Haki related when Oda had Ryuo explained in the same exact way as what was needed to cut Daz Bones.

Ryou is the Wano catch-all term for Armament Haki, correct.

What Zoro learned fighting Daz Bones can be confused for Haki, and maybe originally, long ago, Oda was planting the seeds for it, but is stands, it wasn't Haki.

The form and function of the basest form of Armament remains ambiguous, but in order of lowest to highest level of application:

1. Hardening is like an armour (basic)
2. Imbuement is applying that armour to objects (basic+)
3. Emission is about projecting that armour outwardly like a shield or weapon (advanced)
4. Internal Destruction is transfering that projection through an enemy's defenses and effectively emitting from within (advanced+)

 

[Doggo]

Internal Destruction is high level shit that hasn't been used yet in a fight by anyone. Rayleigh and Luffy used it to destroy the collars.

That's how luffy managed to even fight kaido before ACoC....

 

[Rumble]

That's how luffy managed to even fight kaido before ACoC....

We haven't seen Internal Destruction used in actual combat yet. :

Luffy used CoA Emission initially, and then switched to CoC Infusion and Infusion and mixed with Emission over the course of the battle.

Spoiler: ch 1009

Spoiler: ch 1010

 

[Sir Yasheen]

We haven't seen Internal Destruction used in actual combat yet. :

Luffy used CoA Emission initially, and then switched to CoC Infusion and Infusion and mixed with Emission over the course of the battle.

Spoiler: ch 1009

Spoiler: ch 1010

Red roc is internal destruction. All the rooftop attacks had ID

 

[Rumble]

Red roc is internal destruction. All the rooftop attacks had ID

No, it isn't, and no the fuck they weren't.

Luffy used Emission.

Emission is enough to hurt Kaidou, but it's not enough to defend against him.

Spoiler: ch 1009

CoC Infusion was the true the difference maker.

Spoiler: ch 1010

Luffy likely could've never learned how to use Infusion with his Hyougoro training him in advanced Armament.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

No, it isn't, and no the fuck they weren't.

Luffy used Emission.

Emission is enough to hurt Kaidou, but it's not enough to defend against him.

Spoiler: ch 1009

CoC Infusion was the true the difference maker.

Spoiler: ch 1010

Luffy likely could've never learned how to use Infusion with his Hyougoro training him in advanced Armament.

So you think Luffy spent all of his training mastering this haki he just never used?

 

[Doggo]

Haki talk is so fucking boring

 

[Royal Kick]

Haki talk is so fucking boring

And mostly confusing af. Can't even say anyone is in the wrong here because haki is such a shitshow that it's hardly a matter of reading comprehension.

 

[Doggo]

And mostly confusing af. Can't even say anyone is in the wrong here because haki is such a shitshow that it's hardly a matter of reading comprehension.

If Oda doesn't bother explaining it or making it cohesive, I am not the one who's gonna do it for him.

 

[Rumble]

So you think Luffy spent all of his training mastering this haki he just never used?

He used it on panel two occasions: 1055 while training, and 1086 to free Yamato.

I've looked, trust me.

Haki talk is so fucking boring

Net negative to the series as implemented.

Oda should've kept this as simple and straightforward as possible.

What he's done is basically take most of the fun and surprise out of Devil Fruit fights and most fights in general.

 

[Royal Kick]

Net negative to the series as implemented.

Oda should've kept this as simple and straightforward as possible.

What he's done is basically take most of the fun and surprise out of Devil Fruit fights and most fights in general.

He was struggling with coming up with new ways for Luffy to get stronger and keep his progression "realistic".

With all the CoO inconsistencies, it was already bad when it was still simple anyway.

 

[Raiden7]

Prime Zeff>Mihawk

This image will never stop to be funny

 

[Rumble]

Oda should've been simple with Haki with a clear structure of advanced techniques.

Armament

1. Armor - AP and defense boost + DF nullification
2. Hardening - enhanced AP boost and defensive capabilities
3. Imbuement - applying Armor and Hardening to objects
4. Emission - defensive and offensive projections (barriers and projectiles)
5. Internal Destruction - self-explanatory

Observation

1. Detection - location and presence
2. Gauge - sensing strength and dangers
3. Locate - self-explanatory
4. Empath - sensing emotions and intent
5. Future Vision* - self-explanatory (*requires CoC)

Conqueror

1. Intimidation - self-explanatory
2. Infusion - apply CoC like and with advanced Armament techniques
3. Future Vision* - self-explanatory (*CoO + CoC)
4. Observation Killing - nullify CoO
5. Tying - self-explanatory (Joyboy/Emet feat)