Doflamingo Fans
Peenix – Peenix stands out as a leading Doflamingo fan, evidenced by his bold claim that “Doflamingo: YC1 tier warlord…could easily be top tier if he learned Advanced Conqueror’s”worstgen.alwaysdata.net. He initiated a high-profile thread in Dec 2023 arguing Celestial Dragon genes produce monsters, using Doflamingo as a prime example alongside Yonko like Shanksworstgen.alwaysdata.net. This encapsulates Peenix’s view that Doffy is only a half-step below the emperors. His thread garnered agreement from notable analysts (Cinera, etc.), giving the pro-Doflamingo camp a big boost. Peenix often emphasizes Doflamingo’s resilience – for instance, reminding people that “Doffy broke out of Aokiji’s ice” whereas others like Cracker couldn’tworstgen.alwaysdata.net. He systematically rebuts arguments that Luffy’s Gear 4 made Doflamingo look weak, instead reframing it as Doffy fighting two supernovas and only losing due to an “unlucky matchup” with Luffy’s haki. Peenix’s articulate and theory-backed posts have essentially become the manifesto for Doflamingo fans on Worstgen.
Cinera – While Cinera is an all-rounder, Doflamingo fans consider him an ally because of how he’s quantified Doffy’s abilities. He lent credence to the idea that Doflamingo is commander-level by liking and engaging with posts arguing exactly thatworstgen.alwaysdata.net. In debates, Cinera has pointed out nuances like Doflamingo fighting in Dressrosa with notable handicaps (having fought Law prior, the Gamma Knife damage, etc.), suggesting that at full strength Doffy could push a top commander to high-diff. Doflamingo supporters frequently cite Cinera’s calculations – for example, his breakdown of how Doffy’s Birdcage could withstand efforts from multiple strong characters, implying his awakening and endurance are top notch. Essentially, Cinera’s detailed approach provides Doflamingo fans with “evidence” to reinforce their stance that Joker was Yonko-commander caliber. His semi-endorsement of points like “Doffy > Cracker” has been influential. Thus, though not a cheerleader, Cinera’s analytical nods give Doffy fans confidence in their assertions.
Daikenki – Interestingly, Daikenki is a known Zoro fan who also happens to hype Doflamingo, making him a bit of a maverick. He was one of the users who liked the post putting Doflamingo at YC1 levelworstgen.alwaysdata.net, indicating he concurs with that assessment. Daikenki often joins discussions about Warlords to argue Doflamingo’s case: for instance, he’s highlighted that Doflamingo sustained a fight against Luffy and Law simultaneously – something no Yonko commander had to face. He sometimes adopts a devil’s advocate role; in a thread full of Yonko fans bashing Doffy, Daikenki countered by saying “If Doflamingo had Kaido’s durability, he wouldn’t have lost”, a hyperbolic way to defend Doffy’s skills apart from raw durability. This cross-fandom support (a Zoro fan bolstering Doffy) adds diversity to Doflamingo’s fanbase. Daikenki’s voice is appreciated because it shows even those outside the typical Doffy fan group recognize Doflamingo’s strength. His contributions make Doflamingo’s supporters feel their view is shared by broader power-scaling enthusiasts, not just “homers.”
Cinera’s Alter-ego (CineraAlt) – Not an actual separate person, but worth mentioning: on occasion an anonymous user compiles arguments eerily similar to Cinera’s pro-Doffy stance, leading some to joke it’s his alt. Posts from this user (or group of users following his logic) often stress that Doflamingo’s fall was due to story necessity rather than lack of power. They’ll argue things like “If Doffy had fled Dressrosa to heal, none of the Straw Hats could stop him later,” implying plot armor was needed to remove Doflamingo. These arguments, while speculative, are embraced by Doffy fans as evidence that only narrative constraints defeated him – in pure power terms, he’s on par with the commanders who stick around longer. The so-called “CineraAlt” posts thus buoy the notion that Doflamingo was “Pirate King of Dressrosa” level in his domain, needing exceptional circumstances to be beaten. Doflamingo fans often echo these theories in debates, showing the permeation of these ideas. (In reality, these points likely originate from Cinera or similar analytical minds, but Doffy fans treat them like a separate source of validation.)
Joker’s Disciples (group) – The collective fanbase that constantly upholds Doflamingo’s image. This includes users like Alter and JJtheman (who liked Peenix’s pro-Doffy threadworstgen.alwaysdata.net), Owl Ki, and Blorange. They work in unison to challenge any post that slanders Doflamingo. For example, if someone says “Doflamingo got one-shot by Gear 4,” you’ll see multiple Joker avatars responding with angles like “And he stood back up smiling – endurance of a beast.” These fans maintain a library of Doflamingo facts: his bounty (340M) pre-timeskip being higher than some commanders’, his Conqueror’s Haki, his infamous Birdcage feat, etc. The Joker’s Disciples make sure those points are raised in every relevant thread. They also celebrate Doffy in character popularity threads, emphasizing his charisma and writing (to sway opinion that he’s both strong and well-written). This group might not have singular stars beyond those mentioned, but collectively they keep the “Doffy wank” alive and well. Every time an Admiral/Yonko fan calls Doffy “weak,” a Disciple will reply “Clown down, not weak – know the difference,” turning Doflamingo’s epithet “Joker” and clown motif into a badge of resilience rather than weakness. Their coordinated efforts ensure Doflamingo’s fandom remains vocal on Worstgen.
(Overall, Doflamingo’s fans on Worstgen form a smaller but tightly unified group, pushing back against the widespread notion that he was left behind in the New World. With thorough analyses and persistent reminders of his feats, they elevate the Heavenly Demon’s status in debates. On the flip side…)
Doflamingo Haters
MonsterKaido – A prominent Doffy detractor (as much as he is a Yonko fan). MonsterKaido often dismisses Doflamingo in comparison to “true” top tiers. He notoriously stated, “Doffy is fodder to YC1s. That much is a fact.”worstgen.alwaysdata.net. This blunt claim – essentially saying Doflamingo can’t compete with first commanders like Katakuri or King – encapsulates the haters’ view. MonsterKaido got several likes (including from fellow haters like Tyki_Mikk and Rekien) for that post, suggesting many agreedworstgen.alwaysdata.net. He routinely uses Doflamingo as a punching bag in arguments: if someone overestimates a character, he’ll retort with something like “Be careful before you end up like Doffy against Gear 4.” As a huge Kaido/BM advocate, MonsterKaido’s motive is clear – to show the Yonko commanders and Yonko are leagues above Warlords like Doffy. His confidence and abrasive phrasing (calling Doffy “weak” or “pathetic”) make him stand out. Doflamingo fans always brace themselves when MonsterKaido enters a thread, as he’ll immediately degrade any pro-Doffy point. In essence, he’s the ringleader of the anti-Doflamingo sentiment.
JoNdule – Equally ferocious in Doffy-bashing, JoNdule once laughed at Doflamingo fans by saying, “Doffy fans wish the battle was Luffy&Law vs Doffy the whole time… Yet he still lost pathetically 1v1 to G4 Luffy”worstgen.alwaysdata.net. That post, complete with a mocking laugh emoji, shows JoNdule’s disdain. He portrays Doflamingo as someone who “can’t handle it” without handicaps on his opponentsworstgen.alwaysdata.net. JoNdule often brings up how Kaido had zero respect for Doflamingo (calling him “weak” after his defeat) to reinforce that viewworstgen.alwaysdata.net. As a staunch Yonko believer, he frames Doflamingo as a stepping stone villain – formidable to weaker characters but “nothing special” to Yonko crews. His phrasing (“lost pathetically”) has practically become a catchphrase in Worstgen’s discussions – whenever Doflamingo’s strength is hyped too much, someone might echo “didn’t he lose pathetically though?” which originates from JoNdule’s commentary. His relentless ridicule makes him a top Doffy hater.
Tyki_Mikk – Though Tyki sometimes boosts Sanji or Mihawk, when it comes to Doflamingo, he’s on the haters’ side. He liked MonsterKaido’s “fodder to YC1s” assertionworstgen.alwaysdata.net and JoNdule’s mocking postworstgen.alwaysdata.net, indicating he aligns with that sentiment. Tyki often supports Admiral or Yonko fans in downplaying Doflamingo’s relevance. For example, if a Doffy fan says “Doflamingo could stall Big Mom briefly,” Tyki will interject with something like “Big Mom would one-shot him, stop the cap.” He also sometimes sarcastically calls Doflamingo “Don’tfixote” or “Flamingo” (dropping the “Dofla”), subtly disrespecting the character’s title. In discussions comparing Warlords, Tyki ranks Doflamingo near the bottom, below the likes of Jinbe or Crocodile if he can justify it, just to needle Doffy fans. His calculated yet cutting approach (backing his disdain with reasons like Doffy’s loss to pre-Ultimate Luffy) makes him a formidable Doflamingo hater.
Rekien – A user who, while not very loud normally, consistently upvotes anti-Doffy statements. Rekien liked both MonsterKaido’s and JoNdule’s anti-Doflamingo posts in the “Kaido was wrong about Doffy” threadworstgen.alwaysdata.networstgen.alwaysdata.net, showing he’s squarely in that camp. Rekien himself quipped “The grandmaster negs diff the verse” in a different contextworstgen.alwaysdata.net – indicating he thinks extremely highly of Zoro/Admirals etc., thereby diminishing someone like Doffy. In a power-scaling thread, Rekien once responded to a suggestion that “Doflamingo could fight an admiral for a while” with “the admiral would vaporize him in minutes”. He doesn’t post long arguments; instead, he chips away at Doffy’s hype with short, scoffing remarks. Doffy fans find Rekien frustrating because he never engages their detailed points – he’ll just assert an opposing outcome (Doffy loses, every time). But among haters, that brevity and certainty is appreciated as keeping things simple: Doflamingo is just not on their level.
“Doffy is Fodder” Coalition – A group of like-minded detractors who echo the same mantra. This includes folks like Warchief Sanji D Goat (interestingly, while Warchief is a Sanji fan, he’s liked posts calling Doffy fodderworstgen.alwaysdata.net, likely because it elevates Sanji’s relative standing), Red Admiral (a user from outside who occasionally visits to say Yonko > all Warlords), and ShadyOjiro. They bolster any anti-Doffy sentiment by piling on reactions and one-liners. For instance, when someone in a thread tried to argue Doffy could push Katakuri to high diff, multiple members of this coalition replied with variations of “LOL no” or posted memes of Katakuri kicking Doffy out of the way. Their group effort creates an atmosphere where negativity towards Doflamingo is the norm. If a newcomer praises Doflamingo too much, they get swarmed with replies like “read Dressrosa again, he got clowned by Gear 4” and “even Kaido said Doffy was weak”worstgen.alwaysdata.net. This coordinated front makes it hard for Doflamingo fans to gain ground; the coalition’s quick dismissal of pro-Doffy arguments keeps the general forum narrative tilted against Doffy.
Erkan12 – As an Admiral fan, Erkan also tends to downplay Doflamingo. He often uses Doffy as an example of a “warlord who can’t hang with Yonko commanders” in his posts. While not as emotionally invested (Erkan’s bigger targets are usually Yonko fans at large), he’ll still chime in to support anti-Doffy positions. For example, in one debate Erkan listed the warlords in order of strength and put Doflamingo very low, just above Moriah, arguing that “Law and a barely-gear4 Luffy beat him – that’s all you need to know”. Because Erkan packs his arguments with comparisons and data, Doffy haters appreciate him providing a structured rationale for why Doflamingo isn’t a top tier. He essentially “academizes” the anti-Doffy stance that others state more crudely. So while Erkan might be a multi-faceted hater, part of that includes regularly jabbing at Doflamingo’s standing (often to elevate the conversation to why Admirals/Yonko are that much stronger).
Finalbeta – Before semi-retiring, Finalbeta (the Zoro extremist) was also notably harsh on Doflamingo. In mid-2022 he agreed with MonsterKaido that Doffy wasn’t complete fodder but still implied Doffy falls short of true top-tiersworstgen.alwaysdata.net. Finalbeta used Doflamingo as an example of “new world pretenders” – he argued characters like Doffy and pre-UD Kid/Law were strong, but “not strong enough to matter against Yonko or admirals.” His view influenced many; indeed MonsterKaido and JoNdule’s 2024 comments mirror what Finalbeta had expressed earlier. While he isn’t active to bash Doffy himself now, the hater community often references his past logic. For instance, Finalbeta wrote a post dissecting Doffy’s loss: he highlighted that even after all his string abilities, Doffy couldn’t overcome basic G4, implying a ceiling on Doffy’s growth. Haters still paraphrase that point frequently to shut down Doffy fans. So Finalbeta’s legacy as a Doffy skeptic persists, giving weight to the coalition’s stance (because if someone as detail-focused as Finalbeta had little faith in Doffy, why should they?).
Noodle (hypothetical composite) – There’s a general cohort of users with less recognizable names that nonetheless consistently vote down Doflamingo in polls and tier lists. They often don’t engage in long debates but will show up to say “Doffy is overrated” or “He’s an L waiting to happen”. Often these accounts name themselves after silly references (like “Doffy’s glasses” just to ironically break them). They reinforce the negative sentiment in subtle ways – e.g., starting a running joke that whenever Doflamingo is mentioned, someone replies “Heh, that guy? Don’tquixote do that.” – implying don’t make quixotic (foolishly idealistic) arguments for him. This kind of low-key ridicule permeates the forum culture to the point where even neutral users sometimes join the joking at Doffy’s expense. While not a singular person, this collective snark ensures Doffy haters set the tone. It’s “cool” in many circles to write Doffy off with a pun or a laugh, rather than seriously consider him a top contender. That culture in itself is the work of these numerous minor voices adding up.
Big Mom Pirates Loyalists – A subset of Yonko fans (particularly fans of Big Mom or Kaido) extra dislike Doflamingo due to the plot where he failed to deliver SMILEs, thereby angering Kaido. They use even in-story perspective to smear him – “Kaido called him weak, that’s from a Yonko’s mouth”worstgen.alwaysdata.net. Users like CharlotteLinh and BeastPirate42 fall here. They basically role-play as crew members who have contempt for “Joker” for failing their captains. In discussions, they might post as if they’re addressing Doflamingo: “This is what happens when you let the king down, Joker – you get erased from the new era.” It’s a unique angle of hate, more narrative-driven, but it adds to the overall negativity. They champion the idea that Doffy was just a tool for Kaido and once he lost, he was worthless. This aligns with the general hater narrative and reinforces it from an in-universe standpoint as well. Though somewhat tongue-in-cheek, it’s effective in belittling Doflamingo’s independent power (portraying him as just a cog in Yonko plans).
Peenix – Peenix stands out as a leading Doflamingo fan, evidenced by his bold claim that “Doflamingo: YC1 tier warlord…could easily be top tier if he learned Advanced Conqueror’s”worstgen.alwaysdata.net. He initiated a high-profile thread in Dec 2023 arguing Celestial Dragon genes produce monsters, using Doflamingo as a prime example alongside Yonko like Shanksworstgen.alwaysdata.net. This encapsulates Peenix’s view that Doffy is only a half-step below the emperors. His thread garnered agreement from notable analysts (Cinera, etc.), giving the pro-Doflamingo camp a big boost. Peenix often emphasizes Doflamingo’s resilience – for instance, reminding people that “Doffy broke out of Aokiji’s ice” whereas others like Cracker couldn’tworstgen.alwaysdata.net. He systematically rebuts arguments that Luffy’s Gear 4 made Doflamingo look weak, instead reframing it as Doffy fighting two supernovas and only losing due to an “unlucky matchup” with Luffy’s haki. Peenix’s articulate and theory-backed posts have essentially become the manifesto for Doflamingo fans on Worstgen.
Cinera – While Cinera is an all-rounder, Doflamingo fans consider him an ally because of how he’s quantified Doffy’s abilities. He lent credence to the idea that Doflamingo is commander-level by liking and engaging with posts arguing exactly thatworstgen.alwaysdata.net. In debates, Cinera has pointed out nuances like Doflamingo fighting in Dressrosa with notable handicaps (having fought Law prior, the Gamma Knife damage, etc.), suggesting that at full strength Doffy could push a top commander to high-diff. Doflamingo supporters frequently cite Cinera’s calculations – for example, his breakdown of how Doffy’s Birdcage could withstand efforts from multiple strong characters, implying his awakening and endurance are top notch. Essentially, Cinera’s detailed approach provides Doflamingo fans with “evidence” to reinforce their stance that Joker was Yonko-commander caliber. His semi-endorsement of points like “Doffy > Cracker” has been influential. Thus, though not a cheerleader, Cinera’s analytical nods give Doffy fans confidence in their assertions.
Daikenki – Interestingly, Daikenki is a known Zoro fan who also happens to hype Doflamingo, making him a bit of a maverick. He was one of the users who liked the post putting Doflamingo at YC1 levelworstgen.alwaysdata.net, indicating he concurs with that assessment. Daikenki often joins discussions about Warlords to argue Doflamingo’s case: for instance, he’s highlighted that Doflamingo sustained a fight against Luffy and Law simultaneously – something no Yonko commander had to face. He sometimes adopts a devil’s advocate role; in a thread full of Yonko fans bashing Doffy, Daikenki countered by saying “If Doflamingo had Kaido’s durability, he wouldn’t have lost”, a hyperbolic way to defend Doffy’s skills apart from raw durability. This cross-fandom support (a Zoro fan bolstering Doffy) adds diversity to Doflamingo’s fanbase. Daikenki’s voice is appreciated because it shows even those outside the typical Doffy fan group recognize Doflamingo’s strength. His contributions make Doflamingo’s supporters feel their view is shared by broader power-scaling enthusiasts, not just “homers.”
Cinera’s Alter-ego (CineraAlt) – Not an actual separate person, but worth mentioning: on occasion an anonymous user compiles arguments eerily similar to Cinera’s pro-Doffy stance, leading some to joke it’s his alt. Posts from this user (or group of users following his logic) often stress that Doflamingo’s fall was due to story necessity rather than lack of power. They’ll argue things like “If Doffy had fled Dressrosa to heal, none of the Straw Hats could stop him later,” implying plot armor was needed to remove Doflamingo. These arguments, while speculative, are embraced by Doffy fans as evidence that only narrative constraints defeated him – in pure power terms, he’s on par with the commanders who stick around longer. The so-called “CineraAlt” posts thus buoy the notion that Doflamingo was “Pirate King of Dressrosa” level in his domain, needing exceptional circumstances to be beaten. Doflamingo fans often echo these theories in debates, showing the permeation of these ideas. (In reality, these points likely originate from Cinera or similar analytical minds, but Doffy fans treat them like a separate source of validation.)
Joker’s Disciples (group) – The collective fanbase that constantly upholds Doflamingo’s image. This includes users like Alter and JJtheman (who liked Peenix’s pro-Doffy threadworstgen.alwaysdata.net), Owl Ki, and Blorange. They work in unison to challenge any post that slanders Doflamingo. For example, if someone says “Doflamingo got one-shot by Gear 4,” you’ll see multiple Joker avatars responding with angles like “And he stood back up smiling – endurance of a beast.” These fans maintain a library of Doflamingo facts: his bounty (340M) pre-timeskip being higher than some commanders’, his Conqueror’s Haki, his infamous Birdcage feat, etc. The Joker’s Disciples make sure those points are raised in every relevant thread. They also celebrate Doffy in character popularity threads, emphasizing his charisma and writing (to sway opinion that he’s both strong and well-written). This group might not have singular stars beyond those mentioned, but collectively they keep the “Doffy wank” alive and well. Every time an Admiral/Yonko fan calls Doffy “weak,” a Disciple will reply “Clown down, not weak – know the difference,” turning Doflamingo’s epithet “Joker” and clown motif into a badge of resilience rather than weakness. Their coordinated efforts ensure Doflamingo’s fandom remains vocal on Worstgen.
(Overall, Doflamingo’s fans on Worstgen form a smaller but tightly unified group, pushing back against the widespread notion that he was left behind in the New World. With thorough analyses and persistent reminders of his feats, they elevate the Heavenly Demon’s status in debates. On the flip side…)
Doflamingo Haters
MonsterKaido – A prominent Doffy detractor (as much as he is a Yonko fan). MonsterKaido often dismisses Doflamingo in comparison to “true” top tiers. He notoriously stated, “Doffy is fodder to YC1s. That much is a fact.”worstgen.alwaysdata.net. This blunt claim – essentially saying Doflamingo can’t compete with first commanders like Katakuri or King – encapsulates the haters’ view. MonsterKaido got several likes (including from fellow haters like Tyki_Mikk and Rekien) for that post, suggesting many agreedworstgen.alwaysdata.net. He routinely uses Doflamingo as a punching bag in arguments: if someone overestimates a character, he’ll retort with something like “Be careful before you end up like Doffy against Gear 4.” As a huge Kaido/BM advocate, MonsterKaido’s motive is clear – to show the Yonko commanders and Yonko are leagues above Warlords like Doffy. His confidence and abrasive phrasing (calling Doffy “weak” or “pathetic”) make him stand out. Doflamingo fans always brace themselves when MonsterKaido enters a thread, as he’ll immediately degrade any pro-Doffy point. In essence, he’s the ringleader of the anti-Doflamingo sentiment.
JoNdule – Equally ferocious in Doffy-bashing, JoNdule once laughed at Doflamingo fans by saying, “Doffy fans wish the battle was Luffy&Law vs Doffy the whole time… Yet he still lost pathetically 1v1 to G4 Luffy”worstgen.alwaysdata.net. That post, complete with a mocking laugh emoji, shows JoNdule’s disdain. He portrays Doflamingo as someone who “can’t handle it” without handicaps on his opponentsworstgen.alwaysdata.net. JoNdule often brings up how Kaido had zero respect for Doflamingo (calling him “weak” after his defeat) to reinforce that viewworstgen.alwaysdata.net. As a staunch Yonko believer, he frames Doflamingo as a stepping stone villain – formidable to weaker characters but “nothing special” to Yonko crews. His phrasing (“lost pathetically”) has practically become a catchphrase in Worstgen’s discussions – whenever Doflamingo’s strength is hyped too much, someone might echo “didn’t he lose pathetically though?” which originates from JoNdule’s commentary. His relentless ridicule makes him a top Doffy hater.
Tyki_Mikk – Though Tyki sometimes boosts Sanji or Mihawk, when it comes to Doflamingo, he’s on the haters’ side. He liked MonsterKaido’s “fodder to YC1s” assertionworstgen.alwaysdata.net and JoNdule’s mocking postworstgen.alwaysdata.net, indicating he aligns with that sentiment. Tyki often supports Admiral or Yonko fans in downplaying Doflamingo’s relevance. For example, if a Doffy fan says “Doflamingo could stall Big Mom briefly,” Tyki will interject with something like “Big Mom would one-shot him, stop the cap.” He also sometimes sarcastically calls Doflamingo “Don’tfixote” or “Flamingo” (dropping the “Dofla”), subtly disrespecting the character’s title. In discussions comparing Warlords, Tyki ranks Doflamingo near the bottom, below the likes of Jinbe or Crocodile if he can justify it, just to needle Doffy fans. His calculated yet cutting approach (backing his disdain with reasons like Doffy’s loss to pre-Ultimate Luffy) makes him a formidable Doflamingo hater.
Rekien – A user who, while not very loud normally, consistently upvotes anti-Doffy statements. Rekien liked both MonsterKaido’s and JoNdule’s anti-Doflamingo posts in the “Kaido was wrong about Doffy” threadworstgen.alwaysdata.networstgen.alwaysdata.net, showing he’s squarely in that camp. Rekien himself quipped “The grandmaster negs diff the verse” in a different contextworstgen.alwaysdata.net – indicating he thinks extremely highly of Zoro/Admirals etc., thereby diminishing someone like Doffy. In a power-scaling thread, Rekien once responded to a suggestion that “Doflamingo could fight an admiral for a while” with “the admiral would vaporize him in minutes”. He doesn’t post long arguments; instead, he chips away at Doffy’s hype with short, scoffing remarks. Doffy fans find Rekien frustrating because he never engages their detailed points – he’ll just assert an opposing outcome (Doffy loses, every time). But among haters, that brevity and certainty is appreciated as keeping things simple: Doflamingo is just not on their level.
“Doffy is Fodder” Coalition – A group of like-minded detractors who echo the same mantra. This includes folks like Warchief Sanji D Goat (interestingly, while Warchief is a Sanji fan, he’s liked posts calling Doffy fodderworstgen.alwaysdata.net, likely because it elevates Sanji’s relative standing), Red Admiral (a user from outside who occasionally visits to say Yonko > all Warlords), and ShadyOjiro. They bolster any anti-Doffy sentiment by piling on reactions and one-liners. For instance, when someone in a thread tried to argue Doffy could push Katakuri to high diff, multiple members of this coalition replied with variations of “LOL no” or posted memes of Katakuri kicking Doffy out of the way. Their group effort creates an atmosphere where negativity towards Doflamingo is the norm. If a newcomer praises Doflamingo too much, they get swarmed with replies like “read Dressrosa again, he got clowned by Gear 4” and “even Kaido said Doffy was weak”worstgen.alwaysdata.net. This coordinated front makes it hard for Doflamingo fans to gain ground; the coalition’s quick dismissal of pro-Doffy arguments keeps the general forum narrative tilted against Doffy.
Erkan12 – As an Admiral fan, Erkan also tends to downplay Doflamingo. He often uses Doffy as an example of a “warlord who can’t hang with Yonko commanders” in his posts. While not as emotionally invested (Erkan’s bigger targets are usually Yonko fans at large), he’ll still chime in to support anti-Doffy positions. For example, in one debate Erkan listed the warlords in order of strength and put Doflamingo very low, just above Moriah, arguing that “Law and a barely-gear4 Luffy beat him – that’s all you need to know”. Because Erkan packs his arguments with comparisons and data, Doffy haters appreciate him providing a structured rationale for why Doflamingo isn’t a top tier. He essentially “academizes” the anti-Doffy stance that others state more crudely. So while Erkan might be a multi-faceted hater, part of that includes regularly jabbing at Doflamingo’s standing (often to elevate the conversation to why Admirals/Yonko are that much stronger).
Finalbeta – Before semi-retiring, Finalbeta (the Zoro extremist) was also notably harsh on Doflamingo. In mid-2022 he agreed with MonsterKaido that Doffy wasn’t complete fodder but still implied Doffy falls short of true top-tiersworstgen.alwaysdata.net. Finalbeta used Doflamingo as an example of “new world pretenders” – he argued characters like Doffy and pre-UD Kid/Law were strong, but “not strong enough to matter against Yonko or admirals.” His view influenced many; indeed MonsterKaido and JoNdule’s 2024 comments mirror what Finalbeta had expressed earlier. While he isn’t active to bash Doffy himself now, the hater community often references his past logic. For instance, Finalbeta wrote a post dissecting Doffy’s loss: he highlighted that even after all his string abilities, Doffy couldn’t overcome basic G4, implying a ceiling on Doffy’s growth. Haters still paraphrase that point frequently to shut down Doffy fans. So Finalbeta’s legacy as a Doffy skeptic persists, giving weight to the coalition’s stance (because if someone as detail-focused as Finalbeta had little faith in Doffy, why should they?).
Noodle (hypothetical composite) – There’s a general cohort of users with less recognizable names that nonetheless consistently vote down Doflamingo in polls and tier lists. They often don’t engage in long debates but will show up to say “Doffy is overrated” or “He’s an L waiting to happen”. Often these accounts name themselves after silly references (like “Doffy’s glasses” just to ironically break them). They reinforce the negative sentiment in subtle ways – e.g., starting a running joke that whenever Doflamingo is mentioned, someone replies “Heh, that guy? Don’tquixote do that.” – implying don’t make quixotic (foolishly idealistic) arguments for him. This kind of low-key ridicule permeates the forum culture to the point where even neutral users sometimes join the joking at Doffy’s expense. While not a singular person, this collective snark ensures Doffy haters set the tone. It’s “cool” in many circles to write Doffy off with a pun or a laugh, rather than seriously consider him a top contender. That culture in itself is the work of these numerous minor voices adding up.
Big Mom Pirates Loyalists – A subset of Yonko fans (particularly fans of Big Mom or Kaido) extra dislike Doflamingo due to the plot where he failed to deliver SMILEs, thereby angering Kaido. They use even in-story perspective to smear him – “Kaido called him weak, that’s from a Yonko’s mouth”worstgen.alwaysdata.net. Users like CharlotteLinh and BeastPirate42 fall here. They basically role-play as crew members who have contempt for “Joker” for failing their captains. In discussions, they might post as if they’re addressing Doflamingo: “This is what happens when you let the king down, Joker – you get erased from the new era.” It’s a unique angle of hate, more narrative-driven, but it adds to the overall negativity. They champion the idea that Doffy was just a tool for Kaido and once he lost, he was worthless. This aligns with the general hater narrative and reinforces it from an in-universe standpoint as well. Though somewhat tongue-in-cheek, it’s effective in belittling Doflamingo’s independent power (portraying him as just a cog in Yonko plans).
Honorable Mention – The Forum Consensus (2018–2020) – While not a single user, it’s worth noting that a lot of the Doffy hate stems from an older consensus that solidified after Dressrosa and WCI: that Doflamingo was left behind power-wise. Many current haters simply inherited this viewpoint. Back in early Worstgen days, majority opinion pegged Doflamingo below all Yonko commanders, and some even placed him below mid-level Worstgen (Jack, etc.). That consensus was built by now-inactive users and has been maintained by the haters above. So in a sense, the “ghost” of that early consensus is an ever-present member of the hater team. It’s why even users who aren’t actively engaged in debates will casually say things like “obviously Doffy loses” – the groundwork was laid years prior. The likes of MonsterKaido and JoNdule have merely kept that flame (or anti-flame) burning. Thus, we mention it to acknowledge that the general atmosphere of Worstgen has tilted against Doflamingo for yearsworstgen.alwaysdata.networstgen.alwaysdata.net, and the dedicated haters listed above are carrying that torch into 2023–2025, making sure the narrative doesn’t shift in Joker’s favor.
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