General & Others Understanding that some things are exclusive to Luffy and Zoro in the Strawhat crew.

[Robin swan]

No, you are using mental gymnastic by trying to pretend that Luffy and Zoro has standalone dreams at this point in the story, and refusing to acknowledge the reality of the situation, and that's the fact that all of the Straw Hats dreams are interconnected, and directly linked to Luffy's.

You're refusing to acknowledge the fact that everyone in the Straw Hat pirates must be strong enough to contend with the enemies that are directly linked to Luffy's dream.

The Straw Hats set out to achieve their dreams by helping Luffy achieve his, and on the path of Luffy's dream strength is 100 percent a requirement.

That is reality. Accept it.

Dude answer the questions. If the sh's never fought again can zoro and luffy accomplish their dreams? Can the other sh's still accomplish their dreams?

I'm not refusing anything I'm stating facts you are making bs up. You say by proxy of helping luffy they all fight for their dreams which is a lie cuz using your logic they are fighting to help luffy accomplish his dream not their own. If you keep trying to hang on this wrong point your statement itself is wrong. The sh's are then not fighting for their dreams they are fighting for luffy's.

The sh's set out to help each other while trying to get there own dreams. A better ship mean the the sh's can sail further which helps nami and luffy off the back of franky's dream.

So again since you want to keep arguing with facts. If the sh's never fight again can zoro and luffy accomplish their dreams? Can the other sh's still accomplish their dreams? Answer this.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Dude answer the questions. If the sh's never fought again can zoro and luffy accomplish their dreams? Can the other sh's still accomplish their dreams?

I'm not refusing anything I'm stating facts you are making bs up. You say by proxy of helping luffy they all fight for their dreams which is a lie cuz using your logic they are fighting to help luffy accomplish his dream not their own. If you keep trying to hang on this wrong point your statement itself is wrong. The sh's are then not fighting for their dreams they are fighting for luffy's.

The sh's set out to help each other while trying to get there own dreams. A better ship mean the the sh's can sail further which helps nami and luffy off the back of franky's dream.

So again since you want to keep arguing with facts. If the sh's never fight again can zoro and luffy accomplish their dreams? Can the other sh's still accomplish their dreams? Answer this.

Can Luffy accomplish his dream without fighting?

Sure. We saw in WCI that poneglyphs can be stolen without beating the emperor.

 

[Robin swan]

Their dreams necessitate travel on the most dangerous seas.....so yes fighting is integral to their dreams. Could Whitebeard have achieved his dream without being the strongest man in the world?....sure, but that didn't stop him from being Roger's equal who had a more strength centric dream.

Yes wb could all he wanted was a family not to be the same. He was the wsm because he was abnormally strong to begin with and had the strongest paramecia df on top of it. This is getting off track answer the questions.

If the sh's never got into a fight again can luffy and zoro still accomplish their dreams? Can the other sh's still accomplish their dreams?

 

[Thabeast]

Great thread

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

Dude answer the questions. If the sh's never fought again can zoro and luffy accomplish their dreams? Can the other sh's still accomplish their dreams?

I'm not refusing anything I'm stating facts you are making bs up. You say by proxy of helping luffy they all fight for their dreams which is a lie cuz using your logic they are fighting to help luffy accomplish his dream not their own. If you keep trying to hang on this wrong point your statement itself is wrong. The sh's are then not fighting for their dreams they are fighting for luffy's.

The sh's set out to help each other while trying to get there own dreams. A better ship mean the the sh's can sail further which helps nami and luffy off the back of franky's dream.

So again since you want to keep arguing with facts. If the sh's never fight again can zoro and luffy accomplish their dreams? Can the other sh's still accomplish their dreams? Answer this.

Your "hypothetical" scenario means absolutely nothing to the reality of the situation. If doesn't matter if they do or don't need strength to accomplish their dreams on their own, because they are not trying to accomplish their dreams on their own.

They are accomplishing their dreams by helping Luffy to accomplish his. How is this so hard for you to comprehend?

Did the other Straw Hats choose the other route of trying to accomplish their dreams on their own, with zero fighting involved? No.... They chose to do it by following Luffy, where they need to be strong.

 

[Robin swan]

Can Luffy accomplish his dream without fighting?

Sure. We saw in WCI that poneglyphs can be stolen without beating the emperor.

No he can't he already said he has to take down the yonko and the admirals. He also needs the poneglyphs in the yonko's and other pirates possessions which they aren't gonna just give him. Luffy needs to fight to be pk and to him on is the most free man on the sea.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

No he can't he already said he has to take down the yonko and the admirals. He also needs the poneglyphs in the yonko's and other pirates possessions which they aren't gonna just give him. Luffy needs to fight to be pk and to him on is the most free man on the sea.

He doesn’t need to. He wants to but he doesn’t need to.

Poneglyphs can be stolen through intelligence and stealth like it was in WCI. Or are you going to say that didn’t happen?

 

[Robin swan]

Your "hypothetical" scenario means absolutely nothing to the reality of the situation. If doesn't matter if they do or don't need strength to accomplish their dreams on their own, because they are not trying to accomplish their dreams on their own.

They are accomplishing their dreams by helping Luffy to accomplish his. How is this so hard for you to comprehend?

Did the other Straw Hats choose the other route of trying to accomplish their dreams on their own, with zero fighting involved? No.... They chose to do it by following Luffy, where they need to be strong.

Answer the questions if the sh's never got into a fight again can zoro and luffy accomplish their dreams? Can the other sh's still accomplish their dreams?

You don't want to answer cuz you know your mental gymnastics goes opposite to direct logic behind facts. So since you won't answer you know you are wrong. If you were right your premise would hold up but you know it won't.

 

[Taper]

No he can't he already said he has to take down the yonko and the admirals. He also needs the poneglyphs in the yonko's and other pirates possessions which they aren't gonna just give him. Luffy needs to fight to be pk and to him on is the most free man on the sea.

If we are going with hypotheticals then what if Luffy just sneaks around everywhere and gathers the poneglyphs then sails to Laughtale finds the one piece and becomes pirate king....is that possible?......why not, he could actually do that and achieve his dream....but the point is he isn't and he doesn't intend to, since he doesn't want to be strong to find the one piece but to protect his crew, and that's a canon fact by the way.

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

Answer the questions if the sh's never got into a fight again can zoro and luffy accomplish their dreams? Can the other sh's still accomplish their dreams?

You don't want to answer cuz you know your mental gymnastics goes opposite to direct logic behind facts. So since you won't answer you know you are wrong. If you were right your premise would hold up but you know it won't.

It. Doesn't. Matter. Because. That. Is. Not. The. Path. They. Chose.

The. Path. They. Chose. Requires. Strength.

 

[Robin swan]

He doesn’t need to. He wants to but he doesn’t need to.

Poneglyphs can be stolen through intelligence and stealth like it was in WCI. Or are you going to say that didn’t happen?

The character himself said he does how are you even arguing this. Does luffy saying he needs to take down the admirals and yonko to be pk now magically means he doesn't need to fight. You lot are insane I never seen basic facts get this blown out of proportion to now facts don't matter subjective opinion is the name of the game.

Luffy can't just steal all the poneglyphs sail all the sea and just arrive at laugh tale. The yonko will hunt him then what?

 

[Sir Yasheen]

The character himself said he does how are you even arguing this. Does luffy saying he needs to take down the admirals and yonko to be pk now magically means he doesn't need to fight. You lot are insane I never seen basic facts get this blown out of proportion to now facts don't matter subjective opinion is the name of the game.

Luffy can't just steal all the poneglyphs sail all the sea and just arrive at laugh tale. The yonko will hunt him then what?

That’s what Roger did.

Objectively he stole the poneglyphs and sailed to Raftel. You’re using all these “what if’s” to say the others don’t need to fight and they can accomplish their dream without fighting.

Luffy can do the same. Don’t be mad because your logic broke itself

 

[Taper]

The character himself said he does how are you even arguing this. Does luffy saying he needs to take down the admirals and yonko to be pk now magically means he doesn't need to fight. You lot are insane I never seen basic facts get this blown out of proportion to now facts don't matter subjective opinion is the name of the game.

Luffy can't just steal all the poneglyphs sail all the sea and just arrive at laugh tale. The yonko will hunt him then what?

Ah see the Yonkos will hunt him......and who do you think will aid him in fighting said Yonkos?..................HIS CREW.

 

[Charlotte Horchata]

You really think the SH can have 6 CoC users and be buddy buddy with each other....
Imagine thinking Kid or Ace or Doffy will be willing to join the SH

Yes, they can. Just like Whitebeard, Ace and Oden were in great terms; just like Roger, Rayleigh, Oden and Shanks were like a family. You have a conqueror like Rayliegh crying because his captain and best friend is going to die, but somehow you believe that, if six (or more, why not) Straw Hats were conquerors it wouldn't work even though they are the best friends in the world and Luffy already has one conqueror willing to die for him and another one that went from wanting to kill him to sailing under his flag. You have literally no valid reason to defend why two conquerors following Luffy is happening but six is impossible.

The Straw Hats aren't Rocks. They are the closest friends you can think about, all under the leadership of a guy whose greatest power is to make friends; not a bunch of lone wolves constantly fighting each other that allied a sociopath that acted like a terrorist. Whether it's two or ten conquerors, it will work just like always.

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Can Luffy accomplish his dream without fighting?

Sure. We saw in WCI that poneglyphs can be stolen without beating the emperor.

The reason why Roger could do that was because he was the strongest to begin with. A weakling isn't achieving the title of Pirate King, that's the king above kings, and if you want to grow the strongest you need to fight.

 

[Robin swan]

If we are going with hypotheticals then what if Luffy just sneaks around everywhere and gathers the poneglyphs then sails to Laughtale finds the one piece and becomes pirate king....is that possible?......why not, he could actually do that and achieve his dream....but the point is he isn't and he doesn't intend to, since he doesn't want to be strong to find the one piece but to protect his crew, and that's a canon fact by the way.

No because the yonko will hunt luffy and force him to then fight. Luffy just can't run and expect to not get followed. BM already chased the guy into another yonko's territory. And to luffy being ok is being the most free man and in luffy's mind what you present isn't him accomplishing his dream it's just reaching a island. To be free means luffy can go wherever he wants and do whatever he wants and if someone can forcefully stop him then he isn't free. There isn't a way luffy becomes pk by not fighting.

I answered you now answer the basic questions. If the sh's never fought again can zoro and luffy accomplish their dreams? Can the other sh's still accomplish their dreams?

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Ah see the Yonkos will hunt him......and who do you think will aid him in fighting said Yonkos?..................HIS CREW.

Again luffy has to fight for his dream so your point didn't hold up. Now we are back at the beginning. If the sh's never fought again can zoro and luffy accomplish their dreams? Can the other sh's still accomplish their dreams? Why is this so hard to answer? I easily answered your point how can't you answer mine if your logic is factually right. Unless it's...not.

 

[Taper]

No because the yonko will hunt luffy and force him to then fight. Luffy just can't run and expect to not get followed. BM already chased the guy into another yonko's territory. And to luffy being ok is being the most free man and in luffy's mind what you present isn't him accomplishing his dream it's just reaching a island. To be free means luffy can go wherever he wants and do whatever he wants and if someone can forcefully stop him then he isn't free. There isn't a way luffy becomes pk by not fighting.

I answered you now answer the basic questions. If the sh's never fought again can zoro and luffy accomplish their dreams? Can the other sh's still accomplish their dreams?

That's my exact point....saying that every strawhat not named Luffy and Zoro never fought again would imply they aren't strawhats, since the reality is that they are on the future PK crew and will need to fight strong opponents that will try to kill them which of course would prevent them from achieving their dreams. But you are missing an even greater point, which is that every single strawhat places Luffys dream and life over their own so they MUST get stronger to serve and protect him it's not a choice. I already answered your question to, the strawhats dreams require travel on the most dangerous seas so yes they must be strong and fight to achieve them.

 

[Robin swan]

That’s what Roger did.

Objectively he stole the poneglyphs and sailed to Raftel. You’re using all these “what if’s” to say the others don’t need to fight and they can accomplish their dream without fighting.

Luffy can do the same. Don’t be mad because your logic broke itself

Roger had all the pieces already and fought everyone but BM so no Roger didn't do that already. He fight wb, he fought garp, he fight shiki, he fought xebec, he fought the navy, and he fought sengoku. He only ran once and you are trying to use that like that was his life story. If BM chased him she'd die as Roger was not only stronger but also had 3 confirmed top tiers with a possible 4th while BM only had herself and kids. In this scenario luffy isnt better than BM and she already proven she will hunt him. This is why logic goes along with fact. Luffy would be forced to fight even if you want to completely change his character he still has to fight if he wants to accomplish his dream.

Now if the sh's never fought again can zoro and luffy accomplish their dreams? Can the other sh's still accomplish their dreams?

 

[Taper]

No because the yonko will hunt luffy and force him to then fight. Luffy just can't run and expect to not get followed. BM already chased the guy into another yonko's territory. And to luffy being ok is being the most free man and in luffy's mind what you present isn't him accomplishing his dream it's just reaching a island. To be free means luffy can go wherever he wants and do whatever he wants and if someone can forcefully stop him then he isn't free. There isn't a way luffy becomes pk by not fighting.

I answered you now answer the basic questions. If the sh's never fought again can zoro and luffy accomplish their dreams? Can the other sh's still accomplish their dreams?

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Again luffy has to fight for his dream so your point didn't hold up. Now we are back at the beginning. If the sh's never fought again can zoro and luffy accomplish their dreams? Can the other sh's still accomplish their dreams? Why is this so hard to answer? I easily answered your point how can't you answer mine if your logic is factually right. Unless it's...not.

Let me fix your question for you. "Do the other strawhats need to be as strong as Luffy and Zoro to achieve their dreams?", No.
But do they need to fight and be strong to achieve them?, Yes.

 

[Human D Luffy]

Yes, they can. Just like Whitebeard, Ace and Oden were in great terms; just like Roger, Rayleigh, Oden and Shanks were like a family. You have a conqueror like Rayliegh crying because his captain and best friend is going to die, but somehow you believe that, if six (or more, why not) Straw Hats were conquerors it wouldn't work even though they are the best friends in the world and Luffy already has one conqueror willing to die for him and another one that went from wanting to kill him to sailing under his flag. You have literally no valid reason to defend why two conquerors following Luffy is happening but six is impossible.

You just proved my point. Thinking that having 6 CoC in a crew without have dynamics problem is borderline delusional.
You do realize one in a few millions people in OP has CoC right, not one in a few thousands.

Rogers, Rayleigh and Oden are 3 CoC, shanks is a kid. WB, Ace and Oden are also just 3 CoC.
You don't seem to understand. Oden is an exemption. This man NEEDED WB and Roger to get him out of Wano. If he has a ship of his own, he would have set sail by himself long time already. He only joined WB because he needed him to get him out of Wano. As such, the actually number is 2. This will be the same case as Yamato, who is likely to have CoC but has to ask Luffy to join the crew.

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Can Luffy accomplish his dream without fighting?

Sure. We saw in WCI that poneglyphs can be stolen without beating the emperor.

Wtf are you talking about. Luffy beat Katakuri in WCI.

 

[Robin swan]

That's my exact point....saying that every strawhat not named Luffy and Zoro never fought again would imply they aren't strawhats, since the reality is that they are on the future PK crew and will need to fight strong opponents that will try to kill them which of course would prevent them from achieving their dreams. But you are missing an even greater point, which is that every single strawhat places Luffys dream and life over their own so they MUST get stronger to serve and protect him it's not a choice. I already answered your question to, the strawhats dreams require travel on the most dangerous seas so yes they must be strong and fight to achieve them.

Dude no one implied anything about other sh's not being sh's. It's just the nature of luffy and zoro's dreams REQUIRES that they fight while the others don't. This doesn't make zoro better than any other sh but it's just a observable fact.

I already said before that the sh's look out for each other and sanji would be a top tier. You are getting off base and adding in stuff that was never said like this because you are trying to use mental gymnastics to argue against a fact. The fact is luffy and zoro have to fight to accomplish their dreams and the other don't. This is the point nothing else. This isn't saying that the sh's can't be strong, this isn't saying that they are somehow lesser sh's than zoro, this isn't saying they are weak or anything else you want to try and make it. This is just a fact that luffy and zoro have luffy has stuff with pretty much all the sh's.