General & Others Understanding that some things are exclusive to Luffy and Zoro in the Strawhat crew.
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None of the CP9 were in their DF forms before they ate a DF; Doriki measures ONLY physical strength.
I also find it ludicrous that you want to include Kaku's swords, conveniently forgetting 2 things
1.) Kaku is not a pure swordsman he is also a kicker, all of his strongest moves utilize Rankyaku
2.) Jabura is not a pure brawler he is also a stabber/slicer, all of his strongest moves utelize Shigan
If you want to include Kaku's swords, you also have to include Jabura's claws.
I also find it ludicrous that you want to include Kaku's swords, conveniently forgetting 2 things
1.) Kaku is not a pure swordsman he is also a kicker, all of his strongest moves utilize Rankyaku
2.) Jabura is not a pure brawler he is also a stabber/slicer, all of his strongest moves utelize Shigan
If you want to include Kaku's swords, you also have to include Jabura's claws.
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Oh it's an "extra" is it? Jabura's strongest move in his strongest form uses claws, the Moonlight Ten Shigan.
Just like Jabura's style is based around punching but not all of it utelizes fists, Kaku's style is based around swordsmanship but not all of it utilizes swords.
All of his strongest techniques, Rankyaku, utelize his legs which is pure physical strength without the lethality/swordsmanship factor included with swords.
And then there's also techniques that Kaku uses that don't even use swordsmanship nor legs at all, like Giraffe Blast and those other weird moves he would use using his neck.
Kaku is not a pure swordsman and doesn't even use swords in the bulk of his attacks, the bulk of his attacks are ones that require pure physical strength.
If Oda REALLY wanted to make some huge indicator gap with Kaku being "clearly way stronger", he would simply raise Kaku's doriki. But no, he had it 2 fodder marine apart from Jabura and that was that.
Just like Jabura's style is based around punching but not all of it utelizes fists, Kaku's style is based around swordsmanship but not all of it utilizes swords.
All of his strongest techniques, Rankyaku, utelize his legs which is pure physical strength without the lethality/swordsmanship factor included with swords.
And then there's also techniques that Kaku uses that don't even use swordsmanship nor legs at all, like Giraffe Blast and those other weird moves he would use using his neck.
Kaku is not a pure swordsman and doesn't even use swords in the bulk of his attacks, the bulk of his attacks are ones that require pure physical strength.
If Oda REALLY wanted to make some huge indicator gap with Kaku being "clearly way stronger", he would simply raise Kaku's doriki. But no, he had it 2 fodder marine apart from Jabura and that was that.
"Kaku had longer limbs and legs and thus as a result had more speed and reach" This is headcanon, having longer limbs does not necessitate being faster whatsoever, unless you are going to concede that he also had longer limbs than Rob Lucci which then would mean he was faster which is clearly untrue. Reach has never been an issue in one piece almost everyone the trio faces have that physical advantage over them and it's never been brought as an issue.
"Even defensively kaku was better since he had a bigger body than jyubra ontop confusing tekkai" The size of ones body has no correlation with defense unless now you want to say that Kaku was also more defensive than Rob Lucci who he was also physically bigger than, this would also mean that you need to concede that Franky has higher durabiilty than Zoro and Sanji since not only is he bigger but is also mostly made of metal. Furthermore Jabra clearly had superior Tekkai, since not only was he the only member that could use it while moving but he also created a fighting style completely revolving around it (Tekkai Kempo) so in fact Jabra was in a constant state of Tekkai making him tougher and more defensive than Kaku who needed to constantly stay still to use it.
The last point about lethality is the only thing you got right......but you fail to realize that Jabras AP is blunt force and impact based which is why Kaku was cutting Zoro up while Jabra was sending Sanji flying with his attacks which were offensively boosted from his Tekkai, he also had his claws which he combined with shigan....so this is just style based and does not put one over the other.
"Even defensively kaku was better since he had a bigger body than jyubra ontop confusing tekkai" The size of ones body has no correlation with defense unless now you want to say that Kaku was also more defensive than Rob Lucci who he was also physically bigger than, this would also mean that you need to concede that Franky has higher durabiilty than Zoro and Sanji since not only is he bigger but is also mostly made of metal. Furthermore Jabra clearly had superior Tekkai, since not only was he the only member that could use it while moving but he also created a fighting style completely revolving around it (Tekkai Kempo) so in fact Jabra was in a constant state of Tekkai making him tougher and more defensive than Kaku who needed to constantly stay still to use it.
The last point about lethality is the only thing you got right......but you fail to realize that Jabras AP is blunt force and impact based which is why Kaku was cutting Zoro up while Jabra was sending Sanji flying with his attacks which were offensively boosted from his Tekkai, he also had his claws which he combined with shigan....so this is just style based and does not put one over the other.
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Can any of the Straw Hats travel the entire World and achieve their dreams without getting into a single fight? Absolutely not. Not in a world where Pirates and Bandits run rampant.
Not to mention that every Straw Hats dream is directly linked to, and involves helping Luffy to achieve his dream. By proxy, they all have fighting oriented dreams.
This "Luffy and Zoro have fighting oriented dreams" has always been nonsensical. Their dreams might be more focused around needing strength in the grand scheme of things, but all other Straw Hats need it as well. ESPECIALLY if they are travelling with the Future Pirate King who will be facing monstrous opponents who have monstrous crews in their own right.
Do people think it's some kind of coincidence that the one man who managed to do what nobody else in history ever achieved just so happened to have a crew with multiple Conquerors Haki users?
Not to mention that every Straw Hats dream is directly linked to, and involves helping Luffy to achieve his dream. By proxy, they all have fighting oriented dreams.
This "Luffy and Zoro have fighting oriented dreams" has always been nonsensical. Their dreams might be more focused around needing strength in the grand scheme of things, but all other Straw Hats need it as well. ESPECIALLY if they are travelling with the Future Pirate King who will be facing monstrous opponents who have monstrous crews in their own right.
Do people think it's some kind of coincidence that the one man who managed to do what nobody else in history ever achieved just so happened to have a crew with multiple Conquerors Haki users?
Not to mention Usopps dream is to be a warrior… literally fighting connected.
The all blue is theorized to be under mariejoa. If this is true, find it Sanji will have to be able to defeat the world government - fight related
Nami wants to chart the entire world, can’t do that without also entering emperors domains… yeah possible without fighting but still need a lot of hiding and skill.
The all blue is theorized to be under mariejoa. If this is true, find it Sanji will have to be able to defeat the world government - fight related
Nami wants to chart the entire world, can’t do that without also entering emperors domains… yeah possible without fighting but still need a lot of hiding and skill.
Does what you say mean all the sh's have to fight to accomplish their dreams? Stop being disingenuous no they don't. Ussop wants to be brave, NAMI wants to map the world, sanji wants to find all blue, etc none need to beat anyone to accomplish their dreams. This is fact stop trying to argue with a fact it's ridiculous.
Yes, they HAVE to because of who they are following. You can use all the mental gymnastics to try and mask that fact, but at the end of the day, no matter what, the Straw Hats must be strong enough at the end of the series to take down the Blackbeard Pirates and World Government.
Luffy and Zoro aren't the only ones who must be strong for the Straw Hat pirates to accomplish their dreams. All the Straw Hats must, because their dreams are interconnected at this point. You're the one arguing against the facts here, buddy.
Luffy and Zoro aren't the only ones who must be strong for the Straw Hat pirates to accomplish their dreams. All the Straw Hats must, because their dreams are interconnected at this point. You're the one arguing against the facts here, buddy.
It's not mental gymnastics to say only luffy and zoro HAVE TO fight to accomplish their dreams it's a fact. What's mental gymnastics is saying by proxy of helping luffy accomplish his dream all the sh's have to fight for thier dreams by being on the crew. You are super stretching the statement to be a catch all for the sh's aka mental gymnastics. No they don't need to fight to accomplish their dreams. If the sh's never got into another fight again luffy and zoro can't accomplish their dreams while every other sh can cuz they don't need to fight to do it. This is fact. You stop with the mental gymnastics and you stop arguing with facts cuz you don't like it.
Fact 1 - luffy and zoro need to fight to reach there dreams
Fact 2 - the other sh's don't need to fight to accomplish their dreams.
Fact 1 - luffy and zoro need to fight to reach there dreams
Fact 2 - the other sh's don't need to fight to accomplish their dreams.
Warrior definition: A person who is actively engaged in battle, conflict or warfare; a soldier or combatant.
Ussops dream: to be a brave warrior of the sea.
Sanji: Want's to protect the crew above all else, puts it above his own dream, is a main fighter.......so he must be a top tier combatant since he is protecting members of the PK crew that will be in the maximum amount of danger. We also don't know what the all blue is....pretty sure it's not a body of water hidden in some random cave and requires the ruffling of many dangerous feathers to reach/achieve.
Ussops dream: to be a brave warrior of the sea.
Sanji: Want's to protect the crew above all else, puts it above his own dream, is a main fighter.......so he must be a top tier combatant since he is protecting members of the PK crew that will be in the maximum amount of danger. We also don't know what the all blue is....pretty sure it's not a body of water hidden in some random cave and requires the ruffling of many dangerous feathers to reach/achieve.
No, you are using mental gymnastic by trying to pretend that Luffy and Zoro has standalone dreams at this point in the story, and refusing to acknowledge the reality of the situation, and that's the fact that all of the Straw Hats dreams are interconnected, and directly linked to Luffy's.
You're refusing to acknowledge the fact that everyone in the Straw Hat pirates must be strong enough to contend with the enemies that are directly linked to Luffy's dream.
The Straw Hats set out to achieve their dreams by helping Luffy achieve his, and on the path of Luffy's dream strength is 100 percent a requirement.
That is reality. Accept it.
You're refusing to acknowledge the fact that everyone in the Straw Hat pirates must be strong enough to contend with the enemies that are directly linked to Luffy's dream.
The Straw Hats set out to achieve their dreams by helping Luffy achieve his, and on the path of Luffy's dream strength is 100 percent a requirement.
That is reality. Accept it.
Warrior by definition - a brave or experienced soldier or fighter. Ussop is already a experienced fighter he's just not brave. If ussop never had to fight again there's ways he can make himself more brave. Ussop does not HAVE TO fight to accomplish his dream.
Sanji's dream is to find the all blue. All the sh's want to protect each other it's a given they treat each other like family. Even zoro and sanji who hate each other the most will protect each other. I think sanji will be a top tier EoS but he doesn't need to fight to accomplish his dream.
Last dude we are talk facts so like the other guy I'll ask you the same questions. If the sh's never got into another fight again can zoro and luffy accomplish their dreams? Can the other sh's still accomplish their dreams?
Sanji's dream is to find the all blue. All the sh's want to protect each other it's a given they treat each other like family. Even zoro and sanji who hate each other the most will protect each other. I think sanji will be a top tier EoS but he doesn't need to fight to accomplish his dream.
Last dude we are talk facts so like the other guy I'll ask you the same questions. If the sh's never got into another fight again can zoro and luffy accomplish their dreams? Can the other sh's still accomplish their dreams?
It is for a rokushiki user, Lucci is proof enough for it. Kaku has got to be the most overrated swordsmen in the series he has zero sword techniques yet somehow him using swords greatly increases his attack power 