General & Others Unpopular Opinions?

[ShinmenTakezo]

Yes, the sea kings state what the sea kings state, however, what we actually see ourselves is entirely different.
Noah is nowhere close to being dashed into pieces, not even the deck itself is halfway destroyed and it isnt even 10% of the ship's body. Luffy's hits have always gone against the deck itself, factually proven, never against the rest of the ship's body.

If what Sea Kings consider ships destruction being the destruction of the small piece of it, the deck itself, so be it but in no way does it support your claims that Luffy has the destructive power to deal with a mountain made of harder material than the ship.
Cant regenerate instantly? Factually proven wrong in the chapter link that you provided in the earlier answer.

Literally a concrete and canon statement > everything you try to claim, so no, factually wrong.
You can claim Oda did a bad job drawing it, but he is also the dude who writes the dialogue and the intention of that scene is > Noah was nearly destroyed.
So stop.

Which is irrelevant, as i previously shown. Two fists destroyed a significant part of the body, we saw Luffy have 8 fists at the same time, with another barrage following at most a second behind.
So yeah, you are factually wrong.

Not when he is just destroyed, which is the point. Pica regenerated his arm half a chapter later after Chinjao and the king destroyed it.
And also, Pica needs a line to the ground to be able to regenerate, since that´s where his stone comes from, he reshapes it.
If Luffy destroys the upper half, which he can do (see Grizzly Magnum), Pica has no line to the ground adn can´t regenerate.

So as always, factually wrong.

 

[nik87]

Literally a concrete and canon statement > everything you try to claim, so no, factually wrong.
You can claim Oda did a bad job drawing it, but he is also the dude who writes the dialogue and the intention of that scene is > Noah was nearly destroyed.
So stop.

Which is irrelevant, as i previously shown. Two fists destroyed a significant part of the body, we saw Luffy have 8 fists at the same time, with another barrage following at most a second behind.
So yeah, you are factually wrong.

Not when he is just destroyed, which is the point. Pica regenerated his arm half a chapter later after Chinjao and the king destroyed it.
And also, Pica needs a line to the ground to be able to regenerate, since that´s where his stone comes from, he reshapes it.
If Luffy destroys the upper half, which he can do (see Grizzly Magnum), Pica has no line to the ground adn can´t regenerate.

So as always, factually wrong.

Concrete and canon statement vs concrete and canon picture in which we see the ship's condition as well as what area Luffy targeted = me being factually wrong? I dont think you know what factually wrong means in that case...
No, I am not claiming Oda did a bad job writing it. Oda drew it several times in the same condition, it isnt a single picture of Ship's condition. Noah was nowhere close to being destroyed, proven in several panels. You can stop because you cant prove me wrong when there are several instances backing my claims while you have only one panel backing yours.

Two fists at the same time are perhaps the most powerful what G3 Luffy is capable of in a single moment and it only barely broke off the head which is several times smaller and has a smaller diameter compared to golem's torso... LoL, it isnt irrelevant. You have posted a proof where Pica literally regenerates instantly.

LOL, you want to claim that he needs half a chapter before he can regenerate his hand? You cant be serious...
Yes, Pica needs a line to the ground and that's where Luffy's problem lies, he cant effectively separate him from the ground. Even the head which he broke off still remained on the rest of the mountain, lmao while Zoro lifted half a mountain into the air creating huge gap between the parts and that is what Luffy cannot do, not even with G4, all he can do is shatter the mountain at best with KKG but that is nowhere close to effectively separating him from the ground.

So, as always, nothing is factually wrong.

 

[ShinmenTakezo]

Concrete and canon statement vs concrete and canon picture in which we see the ship's condition as well as what area Luffy targeted = me being factually wrong? I dont think you know what factually wrong means in that case...
No, I am not claiming Oda did a bad job writing it. Oda drew it several times in the same condition, it isnt a single picture of Ship's condition. Noah was nowhere close to being destroyed, proven in several panels. You can stop because you cant prove me wrong when there are several instances backing my claims while you have only one panel backing yours.

Two fists at the same time are perhaps the most powerful what G3 Luffy is capable of in a single moment and it only barely broke off the head which is several times smaller and has a smaller diameter compared to golem's torso... LoL, it isnt irrelevant. You have posted a proof where Pica literally regenerates instantly.

LOL, you want to claim that he needs half a chapter before he can regenerate his hand? You cant be serious...
Yes, Pica needs a line to the ground and that's where Luffy's problem lies, he cant effectively separate him from the ground. Even the head which he broke off still remained on the rest of the mountain, lmao while Zoro lifted half a mountain into the air creating huge gap between the parts and that is what Luffy cannot do, not even with G4, all he can do is shatter the mountain at best with KKG but that is nowhere close to effectively separating him from the ground.

So, as always, nothing is factually wrong.

I do, because depicting something visually and simply stating are two completely different things.
And we have statements claiming they did.
So yes, you are though.

So now we are to perhaps? It´s not. Grizzly Magnum is two Elephant Guns basically, Gatling is literally called Elephant Gatling.
So it´s a gatling of Elephant guns. And barely is still wrong, as i have showed.
You need to disconnect the torso from the ground, that´s it. Since you like pictures, comparing the head to the torso is a easy thing to do.

As always, everything is.

 

[nik87]

I do, because depicting something visually and simply stating are two completely different things.
And we have statements claiming they did.
So yes, you are though.

Sorry but I will always value more what I actually see myself, SEVERAL TIMES, over what someone tells me, once and what I have seen, several times, is ship nowhere close to being destroyed, more like barely scratched the surface. Factually proven that Luffy attacks the deck of the ship only, not even for a second anything below the deck, which is ship's major part. That is a fact.

So now we are to perhaps? It´s not. Grizzly Magnum is two Elephant Guns basically, Gatling is literally called Elephant Gatling.
So it´s a gatling of Elephant guns. And barely is still wrong, as i have showed.
You need to disconnect the torso from the ground, that´s it. Since you like pictures, comparing the head to the torso is a easy thing to do.

Barely is right, your link shows the broken off head still remaining on the statue = not effectively separating it. Barrage of Elephant guns on a far bigger surface wont be any more effective in separating it either. Shattering the mountain =/= effectively separating it, not even with KKG which makes G3 look like a joke.

As always, everything is.

Since, by this point, there is nothing new to be said and you are going in circles, it's time to end this.
I remain by my statement that DR Luffy would have lost to Pica since his combat style remains ineffective against those who are good at stalling and making Luffy's firepower irrelevant.

 

[ShinmenTakezo]

Sorry but I will always value more what I actually see myself, SEVERAL TIMES, over what someone tells me, once and what I have seen, several times, is ship nowhere close to being destroyed, more like barely scratched the surface. Factually proven that Luffy attacks the deck of the ship only, not even for a second anything below the deck, which is ship's major part. That is a fact.


Barely is right, your link shows the broken off head still remaining on the statue = not effectively separating it. Barrage of Elephant guns on a far bigger surface wont be any more effective in separating it either. Shattering the mountain =/= effectively separating it, not even with KKG which makes G3 look like a joke.


Since, by this point, there is nothing new to be said and you are going in circles, it's time to end this.
I remain by my statement that DR Luffy would have lost to Pica since his combat style remains ineffective against those who are good at stalling and making Luffy's firepower irrelevant.

Then why do you rate Mihawk so high? You literally have been told a title, yet his showings do not match that.
And it´s also wrong, a clear statement is always easier and more precise than any visual form of communication.

Ehm, look again, for 4 chapters the head is clean off.
Also factually wrong, an attack with the same force distributed over bigger area = more damage.

And which is still factually wrong.

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Just to give you a picture since you claim to prefer them

 

[Buusatan94]

While I don't really dislike him I am not a fan of Sabo, especially after he ate the Mera. He's not different enough from Ace in terms of personnality and role in the story and I found it unoriginal to see him getting the same power than Ace.

 

[nik87]

Then why do you rate Mihawk so high? You literally have been told a title, yet his showings do not match that.
And it´s also wrong, a clear statement is always easier and more precise than any visual form of communication.

Ehm, look again, for 4 chapters the head is clean off.
Also factually wrong, an attack with the same force distributed over bigger area = more damage.

And which is still factually wrong.
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Just to give you a picture since you claim to prefer them

Featwise I dont rate Mihawk anywhere and he is irrelevant here. This is not a case of him losing to Shanks and Oda saying he's still WSS.
Which is the current scenario we discuss. "A picture says more than a thousand words."
You literally have been lied to and you believed it because the ship is not just the deck. Look it up and use your head.

I never denied the head being off... I said he never effectively separated it from the rest, he cracked it and it fell apart, good luck trapping Pica like that in a far bigger part which is the torso...
Again, Luffy's main problem, isnt cracking the mountain which in G4 he perhaps can do with KKG, despite regeneration, but the effective separation of Pica from the ground. He only cracks/shatters the stone, he doesnt cleanly separate it like instant slice which due to its force lifts it considerably into air to cut off any possible escape routes.

And again, you are going into circles. What's the point?

 

[ShinmenTakezo]

Featwise I dont rate Mihawk anywhere and he is irrelevant here. This is not a case of him losing to Shanks and Oda saying he's still WSS.
Which is the current scenario we discuss. "A picture says more than a thousand words."
You literally have been lied to and you believed it because the ship is not just the deck. Look it up and use your head.

I never denied the head being off... I said he never effectively separated it from the rest, he cracked it and it fell apart, good luck trapping Pica like that in a far bigger part which is the torso...
Again, Luffy's main problem, isnt cracking the mountain which in G4 he perhaps can do with KKG, despite regeneration, but the effective separation of Pica from the ground. He only cracks/shatters the stone, he doesnt cleanly separate it like instant slice which due to its force lifts it considerably into air to cut off any possible escape routes.

And again, you are going into circles. What's the point?

Does not matter what "wise", you literally claimed pictures are more important than what Oda says. We have not one picture Mihawk showing what his title might entail.
Noah is called the ship, not the deck.

Redundant point, unless you claim Luffy could not crack the torso, which is around twice as wide in length (see picture) and maybe twice as wide towards the back, with Luffy being able to generate the same fists at least four times than Grizzly Magnum that hit at the same time, hence result is the same. Does not matter whether it´s a clean cut or cracking as long as the torso is disconnected from the ground.

Correcting false statements.

 

[SHIHI]

In a 1vs1, no fodders to help Luffy, Pica would have beaten Luffy in Dressrosa.

Do you think current G2/G3 Can defeat Pica ?

 

[Buusatan94]

I think there should be more neutral and/or morally grey characters in OP who are neither on the pirate or marines sides.

 

[RayanOO]

I think there should be more neutral and/or morally grey characters in OP who are neither on the pirate or marines sides.

And more people who look for the One piece and are rivals but are not bad guys

 

[Buusatan94]

And more people who look for the One piece and are rival but are not bad guys

And more pirates who don't care about the OP and PK title .

 

[Relapse]

That Zoro can take Kaido and Sanji can beat Carrot

 

[nik87]

Does not matter what "wise", you literally claimed pictures are more important than what Oda says. We have not one picture Mihawk showing what his title might entail.

As I said, Mihawk is irrelevant. He is an individual who is known for holding back. There is nothing contrary between him not going all out and holding WSS title. Unlike that situation we are discussing where we have a contradiction of Sea King's statement and what we actually see in multiple panels. Mihawk isnt helping your argument.

Noah is called the ship, not the deck.

You couldnt be more right and thus to destroy ship you have to destroy everything, not just part of the deck which is what Luffy did. Fact.

Redundant point, unless you claim Luffy could not crack the torso, which is around twice as wide in length (see picture) and maybe twice as wide towards the back, with Luffy being able to generate the same fists at least four times than Grizzly Magnum that hit at the same time, hence result is the same. Does not matter whether it´s a clean cut or cracking as long as the torso is disconnected from the ground.

Torso is several times larger than the neck, not just two times like you claim... You could probably fit 6 necks into a torso.
It does matter, he cant corner him effectively and that's what you dont get. Cracking/shattering the mountain isnt gonna cut it.
Cracked torso =/= torso separated from the ground effectively.

Correcting false statements.

No, you actually arent. You arent accepting that opponents who are good at hiding and stalling are bad match-ups for Luffy.
Cracker has literally demonstrated it on panel and Pica is far better at that game than Cracker is.

Do you think current G2/G3 Can defeat Pica ?

I have to see how destructive Luffy's hits are with the blasting but it doesnt seem to be helping at all since he is concentrating the blasts on very small spots which a mountain of stone wont even feel and I seriously doubt him being able to release a blast large enough to affect a mountain.

 

[Finalbeta]

That Zoro can take Kaido and Sanji can beat Carrot

He will take him on albeit in a tag team

 

[Relapse]

He will take him on albeit in a tag team

We find out that Blackbeard is actually Zoro and Mihawks son

 

[Rmstorm]

Do you think current G2/G3 Can defeat Pica ?

Obviously current Luffy can beat Pica easily in one attack using Gear 3 and internal destruction haki.


Not only that but Luffy has Future Sight now, so Pica is fucked completely.


Maych ups do not matter to Luffy anymore bow that he has 2 level of Advanced Armanent Haki and Future Sight.

Zoro was a worse match up than Luffy for Pica since he lacked the mobility Luffy had.

Zoro needed Orlumbas help to beat Pica with his strongest attack apart from Asura.


Cracker's Armament Haki was a problem, not his devil fruit. This is confirmed by Luffy in the fight.

 

[CbShadow]

Obviously current Luffy can beat Pica easily in one attack using Gear 3 and internal destruction haki.


Not only that but Luffy has Future Sight now, so Pica is fucked completely.


Maych ups do not matter to Luffy anymore bow that he has 2 level of Advanced Armanent Haki and Future Sight.

Zoro was a worse match up than Luffy for Pica since he lacked the mobility Luffy had.

Zoro needed Orlumbas help to beat Pica with his strongest attack apart from Asura.


Cracker's Armament Haki was a problem, not his devil fruit. This is confirmed by Luffy in the fight.

You are wrong Yes, Zoro doesn't have the same ability as Luffy but his cutting attacks are much more effective against Pica Stone body then Luffy punches.

Zoro did quiet assistance to reach Pica in enough time before he could kill the king. He never required assistance beating Pica. Zoro no name haki attached easily cut through Picas body like they're nothing.

 

[Finalbeta]

We find out that Blackbeard is actually Zoro and Mihawks son

Mihawk is Im sama's son

 

[Relapse]

Teach is actually evil. Not true.