Powers & Abilities What is Shanks?

[Nidai_Kitetsu]

OT: Shanks is a powerful character but not the stronger one. He is a swordsman but not the stronger one. He is one of the Yonko but not the stronger one.

He is the younger one though. 4 years younger than Mihawk. Youngest among all yonkos.

There is a possibility he is still growing in strength and power.

 

[Rivaille]

didn t oda said that he didn t know how shanks gonna fight at the beggining but later he made him a swordsman and a rival of mihawk?

As I said his answer was ironic :

At 19:00 minutes.

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Yes, in the databook it says "WAS"
'' Your sword skills WERE the best in the world ''
until he lost his main arm and his sword skills became very weak.

nowadays Oda puts a question mark on his skills, which makes it clear that Shanks no longer trusts his swordsman techniques and he does not dispute the WSS title

No the databook Red said that « He is a top class swordsman rivals to Mihawk » (present tense not past) and everytime we have a character draft with their relationship to each other Shanks and Mihawk are said to be rivals.

Oda did not as I said the answer is ironic :

at 19:00 min.

 

[nik87]

I think Shanks is going to end up as one big disappointment. He isnt setup to do anything.
He is not meant to be a great opponent that Luffy needs to beat, Luffy cant fight swordsmen unless PIS takes over and Shanks fights barehanded but still, even without sword, Shanks wont be Luffy's opponent.

He will probably have a chat with Luffy and tell him to keep the hat and will probably either die somehow or will end up as an ally in the final war against the World Government. Either way, the purpose of Shanks' character is not defined and I am afraid it doesnt look good.

 

[style]

didn t oda said that he didn t know how shanks gonna fight at the beggining but later he made him a swordsman and a rival of mihawk?

There are two translations around

D：赤髪のシャンクスのけんの名前はなんですか。

O：はい。「グリフォン」と呼ばれているようです。

シャンクスは1話目から登場していますが、

一体どんな戦い方をするんでしょうね～。

SBS 87 Gryphon

Here is one of them:

D: What's the name of Red-Haired Shanks's sword? -P.N. Kooshi

O: Right. It's called "Gryphon." Shanks appeared in the first episode, but I had no clue how he was going to fight, you know?

Here Oda states that he hadn't the clue how he was going to fight back then in chapter 1, not currently.

 

[Camie]

A master of Haki who uses a sword to be an overall well rounded fighter.

 

[Formerly Seth]

A man who was cockblocking Mihawk from becoming the Greatest Swordsman in the world. Apparently Mihawk is World's Greatest Swordsman because Shanks lost his arm

 

[Dark Hound]

Don't you know the difference is that Mihawk is a swordman first, hakiman second. Whereas Shanks is a hakiman first, swordsman second

Anyway, what I truly want to know is why Shanks would have multiple battles with Mihawk to begin with since he is not a swordsman and get majority of his fame from Mihawk. Why didn't he go around fighting Kaido who is not a swordsman. He would have gotten alot of fame from that.

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Another perspective we need to look at is the fact that, Shanks got more fame from fighting Mihawk than he did from becoming a yonko.

People downplay Mihawk and hype yonko but somewhow the One piece verse knows Shanks more due to his fights against Mihawk than the fact that he is a yonko. If becoming a yonko eclipsed Mihawk by a lot, Shanks would be more famous for becoming a yonko than for fighting Mihawk but that is not the case.

That is food for thought.
:zorothink:

Everyone knows Mihawk around the world

But ppl don’t even shanks is a yonko

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He's a hakiman like Roger.

He is a former rival of the Mihawk, who disputed sword duels in the past. Then he lost his main arm (he was left-handed) and then he became much weaker than Mihawk and no longer competes for the WSS title.

So, to get around this huge loss of power, he received a huge power-up that put him on the yonkou level 4 years later. He got a technique for channeling the king's haki, which would basically be channeling his haki power with his sword skills.
So he stopped being a swordsman who relies on his cutting skills and swordsman techniques, and as soon as he lost his arm he uses his sword as an extension of his haki power, just as the WB's bisent is a weapon that extends the power of earthquake, and just like Roger's sword was an extension of the haki's power, or Kizaru's sword is an extension of his light powers. But none of them use their sword as their primary force to cut icebergs and compete for the strongest swordsman.

Shanks and Roger are traditional pirate prototypes, they don't even use a samurai sword, they use pirate sabers, traditional pirate weapons and Oda infacts that.

Shanks has never been said to be a swordsman, in any databook, in any manga statement, or in any magazine. Oda on SBS asked how Shanks really fights. It is very obvious that he is no longer a swordsman who disputes the WSS title

You don’t have to dispute the WSS title to be a swordsman

 

[ShadyOjiro]

Ace novel:

When his CoC is not enough Shanks uses his sword ....

 

[Chaves]

No the databook Red said that « He is a top class swordsman rivals to Mihawk » (present tense not past) and everytime we have a character draft with their relationship to each other Shanks and Mihawk are said to be rivals.

This translation is not the correct one.

On the red it says: '' In the past he was a rival of Mihawk, which can conclude that his sword skills are among the best in the world ''
The word 'swordsman' is not said.
They were rivals in the past, they were supposed to dispute the WSS title when the Shanks still had their original arm.

But the word '' your sword skills are among the best in the world '' doesn't mean shit.
Kizaru has sword skills among the best in the world and he does not dispute the WSS title
Big mom has sword skills among the best in the world and she does not dispute the WSS title
Aokiji has sword skills among the best in the world and he does not dispute the WSS title


The fact that Shanks has sword skills does not make him compete for the WSS title. After Shanks lost his arm, he no longer disputes the title because Mihawk believes that without his arm he is not the same swordsman as before (this is indeed true). Mihawk is no longer interested in Shanks and Shanks is no longer interested in Mihawk. The Shanks became yonkou even though their sword skills were below the Mihawk, which clearly indicates that the Shanks acquired secondary power, parallel to the sword skills.

 

[ShadyOjiro]

This translation is not the correct one.

On the red it says: '' In the past he was a rival of Mihawk, which can conclude that his sword skills are among the best in the world ''
The word 'swordsman' is not said.
They were rivals in the past, they were supposed to dispute the WSS title when the Shanks still had their original arm.

But the word '' your sword skills are among the best in the world '' doesn't mean shit.
Kizaru has sword skills among the best in the world and he does not dispute the WSS title
Big mom has sword skills among the best in the world and she does not dispute the WSS title
Aokiji has sword skills among the best in the world and he does not dispute the WSS title


The fact that Shanks has sword skills does not make him compete for the WSS title. After Shanks lost his arm, he no longer disputes the title because Mihawk believes that without his arm he is not the same swordsman as before (this is indeed true). Mihawk is no longer interested in Shanks and Shanks is no longer interested in Mihawk. The Shanks became yonkou even though their sword skills were below the Mihawk, which clearly indicates that the Shanks acquired secondary power, parallel to the sword skills.

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It's because Mihawk > Shanks.

You mean this debate can be easily answered ?

No way he must be something else

:yasu:

 

[Fujishiro]

A carbon based life form, at least within the context of the series. Outside of it, he is a fictional character in a very popular manga.

In all honesty, I think he’s gotta be a Haki master, potentially the strongest CoC user in the series. Perhaps knowing this, Oda may have nerfed him at the very beginning to amplify this fact - even without an arm, nobody in the OP world fucks with him (other than fatalistic malcontents like Kid) as a testament to his completely indomitable spirit.

Oda didn’t nerf him, he lost his arm because the editor told him to do it. I’m sure it didn’t change anything on how oda viewed his character. Essentially it’s an esthetic choice.

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Oda is doing Shanks fans dirty. Most of their arguments of why Shanks is no 1 in the verse, why he is stronger than Mihawk are all being dispelled right infront of their eyes

First he dispelled the notion that Shanks is the guardian of One piece. The guy doesn't even know what One piece is
Then he dispelled the notion that Shanks wanted to be PK
Then he dispelled the notion that Shanks values the strawhat more than his life similar to how Luffy does
Then he dispelled the notion that Shanks has the highest bounty. (turns out he has the lowest of the original yonko)
Then the notion of him being stronger than Mihawk./ being more famous than Mihawk etc got dispelled when we were told Shanks got majority of his fame from Mihawk. (Shanks fans state Shanks isn't interested in wss but goes around fighting Mihawk and leeching off fame from Mihawk to increase his fame. Why didn't he go around fighting non swordsmen if he was not interested)

It makes sense why they will stick to this sinking ship till the end. It is the only thing they have left to try and justify why Shanks is stronger than Mihawk

I always viewed mihawk as top 3 in the verse, if not that then Atleast top 5. Didn’t make sense to me that zoros end goal would be weaker than the majority of the yonko and admirals. I have him stronger than shanks/ bb/ bm( this one is debatable)/ aokiji/ Fuji/ kizaru/ green bull.

 

[Finalbeta]

What have you done man @Don DaSlayer :cheers:

OT: This is just another sterile Mihawk v Shanks and the comments so far prove as much

 

[Fujishiro]

Okay so Shanks is below Mihawk then as the "Worlds Strongest Swordsman" yet is a Yonko?

I'm failing to understand your logic.

That just means mihawk is yonko level as everyone with a brain knows and that he is stronger than shanks, even if it’s by a tiny bit. He’s still stronger.

 

[Hiragaro]

A snitch.

 

[SHIHI]

Hakiman.
When serious he throws away his sword and throw kamehameha haki blast.

swordsman Shanks vs Mihawk > Extreme diff either way.
Hakiman Shanks vs Mihawk > Shanks midd diff.

 

[Exodia.]

both he's a swordman and hakiman he's #2 at swordmanship but he has better haki than the #1 swordman

so he's the at swordmanship shanks<mihawk but overall shanks>mihawk

mihawk is just a swordman while shanks isn't just a swordman

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

Where is my boy @Red Admiral at?
Anyway, I think Shanks is a Haki master and a swordsman as well:cheers:Mixed of both

 

[HA001]

both he's a swordman and hakiman he's #2 at swordmanship but he has better haki than the #1 swordman

so he's the at swordmanship shanks<mihawk but overall shanks>mihawk

mihawk is just a swordman while shanks isn't just a swordman

This makes no sense. Coa is used to supplement swordsmanship. If shanks had better coa hed have beaten mihawk.
Yet mihawk is still the strongest swordsman. Note thats strongest not skillful.

 

[Fujishiro]

This makes no sense. Coa is used to supplement swordsmanship. If shanks had better coa hed have beaten mihawk.
Yet mihawk is still the strongest swordsman. Note thats strongest not skillful.

Isn’t his actual title the greastest swordsman in the world and not strongest? So there is. Nuance for some people to people that mihawk May be the most proficient in swordsmanship but shanks would have the better haki. So he would still be the greatest in actuality while still leaving things open ended.
I do think mihawk is stronger tho but I can understand the confusion.

 

[HA001]

Isn’t his actual title the greastest swordsman in the world and not strongest? So there is. Nuance for some people to people that mihawk May be the most proficient in swordsmanship but shanks would have the better haki. So he would still be the greatest in actuality while still leaving things open ended.
I do think mihawk is stronger tho but I can understand the confusion.

No. In japanese its strongest.

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Infact if im not wrong its the same as wbs
Worlds strongest
But swordsman instead of man.
And in rhe japanese the worlds strongest is the same on both.
Now youre not gonna argue wb was the greatest man are you.