Break Week Which are better: Pre-TS Villains or Post-TS Villains?

[GUI VI]

• Debate: Which are better?

Pre-Timeskip Villains

- (East Blue Saga: Arlong, Buggy, Don Krieg and Kuro)

- Bellamy

- Crocodille and Baroque Works

- Enel and his Priests

- Rob Lucci and CP-9

- Gecko Moria and Thriller Bark Pirates

Or

Post-Timeskip Villains

- Hody Jones and New Fishman Pirates

- Ceaser Clown

- Doflamingo and Donqueixote Pirates

- Big Mom and Big Mom Pirates

- Kaido and Beast Pirates

- Kurozumi Orochi

I'll spllit in 4 Rounds:
• R1: Which one had better development?
• R2: Which one has more charisma?
• R3:Which one was more evil?
• R4: Which one has better designs?
• R5: Which one provides better fights against the Straw Hats?
• Personal Question: Which of them are your favorites?

2 Important things:

1- I didn't consider the Admirals, Blackbeard or WG as they haven't become main villains of an Arc yet.

2- Don't just consider the main Villains of the arcs, also consider the secondary ones like Daz Bones, Bon Clay, Kaku, Jabra, Absalom, Pica, Vergo, Katakuri, Queen, King, Monet, et cetera ;)

Post your Thoughs here!

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[MonsterKaido]

Good villains -- Doffy , Kaido , Enel , Lucci. Rest are meh.

 

[Kyou]

I think pre

It was good before coc coa coo fights

Just like it more


But after time skip Kat and doffy

 

[Rottkins]

 

[ConquistadoR]

This isn't even a contest.
Pre TS had multiple iconic villains like Crocodile, Enel & Lucci.
Even Arlong was great, to the point where Oda completed his full story in Fish Man Island.

What does Post TS have?

Hody Jones is basically a Dollar Store Arlong.
Caesar shouldn't even be counted, Vergo was a more menacing Villain and it was clear that Doflamingo was the bigger fish even in Punk Hazard, and he is in my opinion, the best Villain & character Oda has written.
Kaido & BM weren't Great Characters or Menacing Villains. Kaidou's entire 4 page Backstory wasn't even better than Senor Pink's.

Doflamingo hard carries Post TS.

 

[gz89]

Only good post ts villain is Doffy.

Pre ts opponents clear.

 

[Uncle Van]

• R1: Which one had better development?
​

Doflamingo

• R2: Which one has more charisma?

Doflamingo. Most of the other villains are one more and kinda generic.

• R3:Which one was more evil?

Caesar Clown. Gleefully kidnaps, drugs and murders children and his underlings for his experiments

• R4: Which one has better designs?

Crocodile and Rob Lucci. The simplicity of their designs makes them look really fresh.

• R5: Which one provides better fights against the Straw Hats?

CP9 without question.
• Personal Question: Which of them are your favorites?
​

[/QUOTE]

1. Doflamingo
2. Crocodile
3. Rob Lucci


Overall, Preskip has the better villains without question. The only good postskip villain was Mingo. The rest are pretty shit.​

 

[JayKitetsu]

Doffy hard carries post TS villains. Kaido was decent, but the rest aren't even worth mentioning. Pre TS had Enel, Croc and Lucci so overall that side takes it.

Now that I think about it, Arlong was definitely a better villain than Big Mom and that's not a crazy take at all

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

This isn't even a contest.
Pre TS had multiple iconic villains like Crocodile, Enel & Lucci.
Even Arlong was great, to the point where Oda completed his full story in Fish Man Island.

What does Post TS have?

Hody Jones is basically a Dollar Store Arlong.
Caesar shouldn't even be counted, Vergo was a more menacing Villain and it was clear that Doflamingo was the bigger fish even in Punk Hazard, and he is in my opinion, the best Villain & character Oda has written.
Kaido & BM weren't Great Characters or Menacing Villains. Kaidou's entire 4 page Backstory wasn't even better than Senor Pink's.

Doflamingo hard carries Post TS.

Dollar Store Arlong is just straight up disrespectful

 

[Crocks]

1-Cp9
2-Arlong Crew
3- Doflamingo crew
4- Baroque works
5- Kaido crew
6- Enel
7- Kuro
8- Big Mom
9/10- Bellamy/Krieg
11- Caesar
12- Moriah

 

[ConquistadoR]

Dollar Store Arlong is just straight up disrespectful

That's the truth, whether you like it or not.

 

[Mr. Reloaded]

I'll spllit in 4 Rounds:
• R1: Which one had better development?
• R2: Which one has more charisma?
• R3:Which one was more evil?
• R4: Which one has better designs?
• R5: Which one provides better fights against the Straw Hats?
• Personal Question: Which of them are your favorites?

2 Important things:

R1: Doflamingo easily!
R2: Again Doffy. Not much competition there
R3: Crocodile
R4: CP9
R5: CP9

PQ:
Eneru
Doflamingo
Crocodile


Pre-timeskip kinda washes to be honest. Post really peaked with Doffy

 

[Mr. Tuna Sandwich]

Preskip by far.
Only Doflamingo is good postskip villian and he just a Crocodile rip-off.

 

[Murilo]

1. Hody alone clears the East Blue ones. His blind evilness that has no reason was dope af.
2. Bellamy sucked as a "villain". Caeser clears, blue was really evil.
3. Now, this one is really difficult. Doffy and his goons or Crocodile and his goons... I lean more towards Doffy personally, but both are peak.
4. Enel is cool af and was a dope villain, clears Big Mom easily. Katakuri was more of an antagonist but whatever, Enel fo sho.
5. Rob Lucci and CP9 definitely takes this
6. Between Orochi and Moria, obviously Orochi.

So, 4v2
Post-Timeskip >>

 

[Kyou]

Over all Cp9 was the best 4 me

Love all them had fights

The m3 new powers

Rob was a great villain
It was like if Luffy did not beat him
It was going to all end

So yes cp9 is my favorite

 

[GUI VI]

Hody alone clears the East Blue ones

 

[Murilo]

Bruh, Kuro is a dumbass, Krieg is a dumbass, Buggy is a dumbass. Arlong is kinda good, but pales in comparison to Hody.

 

[GUI VI]

Buggy is a dumbass

@Rottkins look this dude.

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

Hody is underrated.

 

[BillSlipton]

• Debate: Which are better?

Pre-Timeskip Villains

- (East Blue Saga: Arlong, Buggy, Don Krieg and Kuro)

- Bellamy

- Crocodille and Baroque Works

- Enel and his Priests

- Rob Lucci and CP-9

- Gecko Moria and Thriller Bark Pirates

Or

Post-Timeskip Villains

- Hody Jones and New Fishman Pirates

- Ceaser Clown

- Doflamingo and Donqueixote Pirates

- Big Mom and Big Mom Pirates

- Kaido and Beast Pirates

- Kurozumi Orochi

I'll spllit in 4 Rounds:
• R1: Which one had better development?
• R2: Which one has more charisma?
• R3:Which one was more evil?
• R4: Which one has better designs?
• R5: Which one provides better fights against the Straw Hats?
• Personal Question: Which of them are your favorites?

2 Important things:

1- I didn't consider the Admirals, Blackbeard or WG as they haven't become main villains of an Arc yet.

2- Don't just consider the main Villains of the arcs, also consider the secondary ones like Daz Bones, Bon Clay, Kaku, Jabra, Absalom, Pica, Vergo, Katakuri, Queen, King, Monet, et cetera ;)

Post your Thoughs here!

Spoiler: Tags

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Pre ts. Especially cp9