Current Events Who Defeats Jack?

[Weeman]

I honestly have no idea at this point, Jack is kind of all over the place and has no real interactions or plot points with anyone besides the mink leaders.

Since Inu and Neko already got their revenge to an extent earlier, i doubt they'll actually be the ones to take him down at this point.
Jack, whose hybrid form we haven't even seen yet, was able to continuously fight Inu and Neko when they were tag teaming in Zou, so i doubt solo Inu who most likely won't go sulong again can actually beat him.

With Jinbe seemingly already set up with a matchup, Jack is the only beast pirate officer left without a solid candidate for a 1v1 fight.

A Yamato matchup could happen and i personally believe they are around the same level. But the issues i have with that are that she first needs to confront her father and that there is currently no interactions or anything to imply their fight could be meanlngful.
I suppose a beast pirates flashback could change this but we'll have to see if that even ends up happening at this point.
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Just for the sake of dragging the plot, which Oda loves to do. Eventually, Franky will replace Jinbe in the fight against WsW after Sasaki realizes that Franky is Kokoro's friend.

This is what's going to happen: Franky and Sasaki will become friends, Franky will convince Sasaki that Luffy is capable of defeating Kaido and then Sasaki will join the alliance against Kaido. Inuarashi will lose to Jack and Jinbe will rush there to save him, WsW will pursue Jinbe but Franky will stop him, allowing Jinbe to save Inuarashi and confront Jack. The fact that WsW vs Jinbe is fully off screened is the biggest proof that it's not Jinbe's main fight/much up; just like Jack vs Inuarashi is not Jack's main fight for this arc, hence it's off screened. I've said it many, many times in the past and I'll say it again: Kaido is going to be defeated by Luffy, King is going to be defeated by Zoro, Queen is going to be defeated by Sanji, Jack is going to be defeated by Jinbe. What's so difficult about that for god's sake?

Jack vs Jinbe is the perfect much up for these characters, you have to be an absolute imbecile to not see this.

• Jack is a Fishman just like Jinbe.
• Jack's epithet is "the drought" while Jinbe's epithet is "the son of the seas."
• Jinbe's fighting style is perfect for damaging big tough guys, and Jack is a big tough guy.
• Jack is the third strongest fighter in Kaido's crew just like Jinbe is the third strongest fighter in Luffy's crew.

How the fuck can you not see this? I've said for fucking 1000th time and people still wonder who is going to defeat King, Queen, Jack.

While i do think Jinbe vs Jack would be the best outcome, i think you're putting too much hype on your own theories.

Convincing Sasaki that Luffy will beat Kaido will be pretty hard considering the announcement that just happened.

We also have no real idea about how Sasaki would feel about Kokoro if he really is her son, or even much of his personality.
He didn't care at all about Denjiro's story so he might not care about Franky knowing his family and decide to fight him anyway.

 

[mrtsrdr]

''Jack is the only beast pirate officer left without a solid candidate for a 1v1 fight. ''
What are other matchups ? Clear ? @Weeman
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I think that Jimbei got enough matchups until Wano. I dont expect annymore higher matchup for Jimbei .
Weeman

 

[Ricassian]

Unless you believe that Killer is levels above Bege, then this doesn't make sense.
As shown in Zou arc, no Hybrid Jack >~ base Nekomamushi.
Yet crippled, still bandaged, base Nekomamushi made Bege (and his stored crewmates inside his body) all ran away after seeing Neko behind him. Crippled, bandaged base Neko just made the whole Firetank Pirates ran away. His portrayal is strong, and what hypes Neko up will hype Jack (the monster that Neko and Inu couldn't defeat in 5 days) too.

Killer is far stronger than Bege.
Bege makes for an excellent war tactician and an excellent support (specially on the defensive side) but he ain't a proper fighter.

 

[Weeman]

''Jack is the only beast pirate officer left without a solid candidate for a 1v1 fight. ''
What are other matchups ? Clear ? @Weeman
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I think that Jimbei got enough matchups until Wano. I dont expect annymore higher matchup for Jimbei .
Weeman

Why not? What matchups are you yalking about? Why does it matter if he's already fought people before?

Jinbe just officially joined the crew so he's never had a focused 1v1 fight, only various clashes with other characters.

As for the matchups that i mentioned were clear or had possibilities already:

-Franky Vs Sasaki
-Robin and Brook vs Black Maria
-Ulti and Page One vs Nami and Usopp
-Jinbe vs Who's Who
-Queen mentioning Judge and not being affected by Chopper possibly sets him up for a Sanji fight, but X Drake is also there.
- King is fighting Marco but could later end up fighting Zoro.

This leaves Jack as the only beast pirate officer who i don't think has a clear cut possibilty for a matchup other than Inu and Neko, who i don't think will beat him again.

 

[Topi Jerami]

Killer is far stronger than Bege.
Bege makes for an excellent war tactician and an excellent support (specially on the defensive side) but he ain't a proper fighter.

I will give you that Killer is stronger than Kidd based on their perfomance (damage output) in the Rooftop. But to say he is far stronger than Bege and his Big Father mode, well nope..

 

[mrtsrdr]

How wil Zoro come back to fight with 50-60 broken bones ? Jinbe has apperad lots of screen during marinefort impeldown fish island . I guess jinbe are not gonna get YC. Oda will fight Sanji with YC. I will shock.d He must have forgotten existence of Sanji in OP :) @Weeman The other matchups seems good.

 

[Ricassian]

I will give you that Killer is stronger than Kidd based on their perfomance (damage output) in the Rooftop.

Killer is not stronger than Kidd but I know your opinion here so let's just agree to disagree...

But to say he is far stronger than Bege and his Big Father mode, well nope..

Well he is tho, Killer has the right ability to straight bypass Bege's castle. His sonic attacks don't even need to cut the stone but can pass through it and hit Bege's real body. Bege's offense is not a real problem seen what Killer menaged to survive on the rooftop and up until now.

 

[Finalbeta]

I would be upset if someone beside the Dukes and the Scabbards dealt with him in all honesty. Or both even why not. They deserve to be the ones to defeat him the most given the manga historical.

 

[Cinera]

Unless you believe that Killer is levels above Bege, then this doesn't make sense.

I do. Zoro neg diffs Bege and Killer matched Nitoryu Zoro.

Furthermore, Killer was more impressive against Kaido than Sulong Nekomamushi.

As shown in Zou arc, no Hybrid Jack >~ base Nekomamushi.
Yet crippled, still bandaged, base Nekomamushi made Bege (and his stored crewmates inside his body) all ran away after seeing Neko behind him. Crippled, bandaged base Neko just made the whole Firetank Pirates ran away. His portrayal is strong, and what hypes Neko up will hype Jack (the monster that Neko and Inu couldn't defeat in 5 days) too.

I more or less agree with this.

If Oda wants to make it believable that Inu will defeat Jack, imo he should have left Neko there as well. So contrary to their 12 hours shifting strategy in Zou, now they just straight 2 vs 1ing him.
But Oda didn't leave Neko there and made Neko focuses avenging Pedro instead. So nope, not making sense that suddenly Inu can take Jack out alone now.

I agree that Inuarashi doesn't look strong enough. I said as much in my post. There are options that Oda could take though:

• Inuarashi may not have used Ryuo back in Zou.
• Inuarashi's noble motivations (fighting not for revenge, but to prevent Jack from making any more victims) may see him win.
• Inuarashi might gain access to Sulong (perhaps a hole is made through the Roof).

I gave Inuarashi >= 40% chances of defeating Jack. He doesn't appear to be strong enough in powerscaling terms, but his narrative to defeat Jack is incredibly powerful.

I wouldn't be so hasty to bet on powerscaling trumping a compelling narrative.

 

[Garp the Fist]

Well, on the one hand, you have Inuarashi avenging the attempted genocide of his race and his and Neko’s torture and mutilation.

On the other hand, Jack and Yamato are... the same age. And have never spoken or thought about each other at all.

I know which story I‘m more interested in.

 

[Cinera]

Well, on the one hand, you have Inuarashi avenging the attempted genocide of his race and his and Neko’s torture and mutilation.

On the other hand, Jack and Yamato are... the same age. And have never spoken or thought about each other at all.

I know which story I‘m more interested in.

From a narrative standpoint this is really an open and shut case. Inu should defeat Jack.

The only reasons to doubt it are:

• Jack may not be "strong" enough.
• The defeat of the Beast Pirate executives may be reserved for the Strawhats.
• Oda may intend for most of the Scabbards to be defeated.

And TBH, the narratives of non Strawhats haven't always been that powerful. It's often the case that the Strawhats defeat their antagonist for them. The most striking examples:

• Zoro recovering Brook's shadow.
• Luffy defeating Doflamingo.

In all fairness, Doflamingo (and even Ryuma) were more important in their respective arcs than Jack is, and Luffy and Zoro are more important to the story (and arguably also had their own narratives to win those battles). Actually it may not be that analogous after all. I guess it depends on if Oda gives Yamato her own reasons to face Jack. It's possible given their similar ages, but right now all of Yamato's narrative is with Kaido. I can't even imagine that an in character Yamato would want to stay and fight Jack instead of heading to confront her father.

Is there any previous arc that had an analogue to Inuarashi losing to an important antagonist they had an extensive narrative with for a Strawhat to later beat that antagonist despite the lack of meaningful narrative on the Strawhats part?

 

[Finalbeta]

I wish Jinbe was the one to vanquish Jack but none this looks improbable as a scenario as Oda will hardly let WsW slip away from him. That would have constituted an epic badass Fishman clash.

 

[Garps tekkai]

Man people go so off with that Killer hype.
His sonic move has large area of effect and simply ignores the target's durability, which is why it was able to hurt gigantic Dragon form Kaido. But "being able to hurt Kaido" does not necessarily equate to a certain level of performance and it also does not mean that the attack on itself is extraordinarily powerful in the grand scheme of things.
Killer won't ragdoll high tiers with that stuff, even if it's hella annoying. It's actually somewhat similar to Fishman karate in that sense.
A guy like Hawkins wouldn't stand in front of Hybrid Jack and talk about some 92% chance of winning.
Scaling characters at hand of single named attacks in most cases is doomed to fail. In all day combat (physical strength, blocking etc.) he's still just a Smoker/Vergo camp kinda guy.

With that said, Luffy said he will make Jack pay for the stuff he did on Zou. Similar to how Kaido and BM destroy pretty credible foes left and right I wouldn't put it past Oda to make Jack Luffy's comeback present, while Inu, who has practically no chance at winning this, lies in front of Jack being near death.

 

[Blother Fertitta]

Why is Big Mom not an option

 

[Cinera]

Why is Big Mom not an option

Vote for "Someone else". She's not a separate character in the poll because I give her (and the other characters not listed) <= 3% chances.

 

[Roo]

Yamato vs Jack is lame. There's no established beef between them and it would not help Yamato's character at all to beat a beat up guy like Jack.

Jack will probably serve as one final hype up for a character. My guess either Kid or Luffy beat him up on their way back up to the roof

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

I still think Jinbei vs Jack imo. Yamato will go straight for Kaido.

 

[mrtsrdr]

@Roo Dude are you kidding ? Look firstly Kaido will beat everyone Then guess what ? Zoro healed Luffy come back kid and law already there these 4 will beat king jack queen everyone else for warmup then will beat kadio and big mom . Why the others do something am i right ? .d.d.dd

 

[Cinera]

I still think Jinbei vs Jack imo. Yamato will go straight for Kaido.

Jimbe's opponent is Who's Who:

Who's Who has a meaningful narrative with Jimbe and so he's not going to fight someone else:

• Who's Who knows Jimbe from his Shichibukai days.
• Who's Who's true identity is unknown.
• Jimbe suggested that if he showed him his face, he might recognise him.
  • Who's Who refused.

The Who's Who and Jimbe fight will continue until at least the following happen:

• We learn how/why Who's Who knows Jimbe.
• We discover Who's Who's true identity
• We explore whatever relationship Who's Who and Jimbe shared in the past.

The connection — as superficial as it may be — between Who's Who and Jimbe is why I don't see Jimbe fighting someone else.

 

[mrtsrdr]

@Zoro D Goat we are so bored to see Jinbe. Plz we cannot see anymore plz god plz .d