This is why I've been thinking Yamato, only if she's poised to be a strawhat it would help maintain a sense of consistency about the Strawhsts vs BPs
However @Cinera does have a point when it comes to the pure fact that there is little setup between the two to indicate it happening. Anyway, really the only options (as of now) who aren't actually fighting anyone else are:
- Inu (with the assumption he wins)
- Yamato (they both show off hybrids as the same time and Yamato has this fight before having a big moment with Kaido, or has it after)
- Law (Jack is responsible for Zou's destruction and hurting his crew, maybe he takes that personally?)
- Luffy (has claimed he'd kick his ass, will Jack be used as a hype tool when he comes back? I hope not personally.)
This is outside the assumption that Nami/Usopp still are dealing with P1 and Ulti (and can't handle Jack obviously) and Zoro/Sanji have currently left the mansion to help against Queen and King. Maybe someone (Killer/Jinbe) ends their respective fights and faces them too, so there's that.
Another factor to think about is who is actually where in the mansion:
- Inu and Jack: 2nd Floor
- Killer: 2nd floor fighting Hawkins
- Law: 1st floor (assumedly) after dropping off Zoro
- Yamato: 3rd floor currently, may have to turn around since heading to the roof makes zero sense.
- Jinbe: 4th floor
- Kid: 2nd floor
These are who are closest to Jack, but very obvious that 3 of them can't fight Jack unless their current matchups end (which make little sense to end as of now). Luffy is an exception since it depends on how long Jack survives his fight. Maybe long enough for Onigashima to land and Luffy to end up near him for x reason.
However @Cinera does have a point when it comes to the pure fact that there is little setup between the two to indicate it happening. Anyway, really the only options (as of now) who aren't actually fighting anyone else are:
- Inu (with the assumption he wins)
- Yamato (they both show off hybrids as the same time and Yamato has this fight before having a big moment with Kaido, or has it after)
- Law (Jack is responsible for Zou's destruction and hurting his crew, maybe he takes that personally?)
- Luffy (has claimed he'd kick his ass, will Jack be used as a hype tool when he comes back? I hope not personally.)
This is outside the assumption that Nami/Usopp still are dealing with P1 and Ulti (and can't handle Jack obviously) and Zoro/Sanji have currently left the mansion to help against Queen and King. Maybe someone (Killer/Jinbe) ends their respective fights and faces them too, so there's that.
Another factor to think about is who is actually where in the mansion:
- Inu and Jack: 2nd Floor
- Killer: 2nd floor fighting Hawkins
- Law: 1st floor (assumedly) after dropping off Zoro
- Yamato: 3rd floor currently, may have to turn around since heading to the roof makes zero sense.
- Jinbe: 4th floor
- Kid: 2nd floor
These are who are closest to Jack, but very obvious that 3 of them can't fight Jack unless their current matchups end (which make little sense to end as of now). Luffy is an exception since it depends on how long Jack survives his fight. Maybe long enough for Onigashima to land and Luffy to end up near him for x reason.
Not when Neko has his own personal fight, to avenge the death of his subordinate.
Jack and Perospero are both strong, personal opponents
Jack is the stronger foe (Calamity, higher bounty)
Perospero the more personal (Jack never killed anyone, Perospero is getting the blake for killing Pedro)
Sure, the two aren’t getting perfectly equal opponents, but they are both getting fights of equal importance. Perospero is not a Sweet Commander, but he’s definitely established himself as no pushover.
That’s what makes the fight interesting. Inu is an- unavoidable pun- underdog.
But keep in mind, we don’t actually know if Jack ever used his hybrid on Zou. All we know is that Inu and Neko took turns, that there was no winner and Su Long wasn’t used. We only saw a small part of a five day fight- it would be bizarre if Jack didn’t use his hybrid.
The fights pretty clearly setup for Inu to win.
There’s all the history beforehand
Starts with Jack having beaten up the Mink subordinates
Jack implies that Inu can’t beat him on his own (villains usually regret such statements)
Inu retorts the two are both injured so it is fair (our hero thinks he can win anyway)
Our hero is fighting for noble reasons (he’s not out for revenge, he’s out to stop Jack doing more damage)
And then they point out there’s no moons or poison gas, so they’re fighting on a level basis.
There’s a really good fight with decent setup here. That doesn’t exist for Yamato so far. Of course, Oda could reveal in the next few chapters that Yamato and Jack actually have some sort of adopted sibling rivalry thing... but that’s all speculation compared to the genuine narrative that’s there for Inu’s victory.
Someone might help Inu, but if the question is “who is the main person to beat Jack”, with the story we have so far, it should be Inu.
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Remember what was actually said- does it really make sense that Jack fought five days, couldn’t win, got tired and opted for a chemical weapon without trying his hybrid at least once? It’s not like it’s something that has any risks, a zoan can use his hybrid without suffering and setbacks.
Jack and Perospero are both strong, personal opponents
Jack is the stronger foe (Calamity, higher bounty)
Perospero the more personal (Jack never killed anyone, Perospero is getting the blake for killing Pedro)
Sure, the two aren’t getting perfectly equal opponents, but they are both getting fights of equal importance. Perospero is not a Sweet Commander, but he’s definitely established himself as no pushover.
That’s what makes the fight interesting. Inu is an- unavoidable pun- underdog.
But keep in mind, we don’t actually know if Jack ever used his hybrid on Zou. All we know is that Inu and Neko took turns, that there was no winner and Su Long wasn’t used. We only saw a small part of a five day fight- it would be bizarre if Jack didn’t use his hybrid.
The fights pretty clearly setup for Inu to win.
There’s all the history beforehand
Starts with Jack having beaten up the Mink subordinates
Jack implies that Inu can’t beat him on his own (villains usually regret such statements)
Inu retorts the two are both injured so it is fair (our hero thinks he can win anyway)
Our hero is fighting for noble reasons (he’s not out for revenge, he’s out to stop Jack doing more damage)
And then they point out there’s no moons or poison gas, so they’re fighting on a level basis.
There’s a really good fight with decent setup here. That doesn’t exist for Yamato so far. Of course, Oda could reveal in the next few chapters that Yamato and Jack actually have some sort of adopted sibling rivalry thing... but that’s all speculation compared to the genuine narrative that’s there for Inu’s victory.
Someone might help Inu, but if the question is “who is the main person to beat Jack”, with the story we have so far, it should be Inu.
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Remember what was actually said- does it really make sense that Jack fought five days, couldn’t win, got tired and opted for a chemical weapon without trying his hybrid at least once? It’s not like it’s something that has any risks, a zoan can use his hybrid without suffering and setbacks.
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Even if Yamato fights Jack, this isn't happening. We don't even know what Yamato's Zoan form is let alone her Hybrid. Oda is saving her DF reveal for Kaido. She's not going to show her Hybrid vs Jack.
If Yamato fights Jack, it will be without using her Devil Fruit.
He's heading for Linlin and hasn't given any indication that he cares about Jack.
Luffy is plummeting to the bottom of the sea, and Onigashima has reached the shores of Wano. The idea that none of the Calamity's fights would have finished when Luffy returns is suspect (my God, how long will Wano last in that case).
Luffy has to:
I doubt Luffy returns to fight Kaido within the next 10 chapters. He may not return within the next 20.
Besides, if Luffy was going to Blueno Jack, it would have been before the executive battles started.
Are you sure about this? The map I saw placed them on the Third Floor.
Is there a canon source that gives Jack's location?
If Yamato fights Jack, it will be without using her Devil Fruit.
He's heading for Linlin and hasn't given any indication that he cares about Jack.
Luffy is plummeting to the bottom of the sea, and Onigashima has reached the shores of Wano. The idea that none of the Calamity's fights would have finished when Luffy returns is suspect (my God, how long will Wano last in that case).
Luffy has to:
- Be rescued from the sea
- Make it to Wano
- Make it to the battle
- Catch up to a flying island
- Make it to the Flower Capital
I doubt Luffy returns to fight Kaido within the next 10 chapters. He may not return within the next 20.
Besides, if Luffy was going to Blueno Jack, it would have been before the executive battles started.
Are you sure about this? The map I saw placed them on the Third Floor.
Is there a canon source that gives Jack's location?
It does not make sense, but Jack didn't use his Hybrid on the Rooftop when the Sulong Dukes were ragdolling him. Had Kaido not intervened, he was going to be killed, and there was no indication that he would have used his Hybrid form.
After that scene, I just decided that Oda habitually has Zoan users act retarded when he's not yet ready to reveal certain forms of theirs.
After that scene, I just decided that Oda habitually has Zoan users act retarded when he's not yet ready to reveal certain forms of theirs.
If Yamato is destined to become a strawhat then her not having any prior interactions with Jack doesnt really matter.
In EL Franky got a match up despite not oficially being a member yet, the same position Yamato is here.
Inu's personal connection to Jack is good but a non factor imo. The cerpenters from W7 had much better insentive to beat Kaku and Lucci but thats not wut happened. The Scabbereds r also droping like flies. Y would Inu be the exception?
In EL Franky got a match up despite not oficially being a member yet, the same position Yamato is here.
Inu's personal connection to Jack is good but a non factor imo. The cerpenters from W7 had much better insentive to beat Kaku and Lucci but thats not wut happened. The Scabbereds r also droping like flies. Y would Inu be the exception?
Even if Yamato fights Jack, this isn't happening. We don't even know what Yamato's Zoan form is let alone her Hybrid. Oda is saving her DF reveal for Kaido. She's not going to show her Hybrid vs Jack.
If Yamato fights Jack, it will be without using her Devil Fruit.
He's heading for Linlin and hasn't given any indication that he cares about Jack.
Luffy is plummeting to the bottom of the sea, and Onigashima has reached the shores of Wano. The idea that none of the Calamity's fights would have finished when Luffy returns is suspect (my God, how long will Wano last in that case).
Luffy has to:
I doubt Luffy returns to fight Kaido within the next 10 chapters. He may not return within the next 20.
Besides, if Luffy was going to Blueno Jack, it would have been before the executive battles started.
Are you sure about this? The map I saw placed them on the Third Floor.
Is there a canon source that gives Jack's location?
If Yamato fights Jack, it will be without using her Devil Fruit.
He's heading for Linlin and hasn't given any indication that he cares about Jack.
Luffy is plummeting to the bottom of the sea, and Onigashima has reached the shores of Wano. The idea that none of the Calamity's fights would have finished when Luffy returns is suspect (my God, how long will Wano last in that case).
Luffy has to:
- Be rescued from the sea
- Make it to Wano
- Make it to the battle
- Catch up to a flying island
- Make it to the Flower Capital
I doubt Luffy returns to fight Kaido within the next 10 chapters. He may not return within the next 20.
Besides, if Luffy was going to Blueno Jack, it would have been before the executive battles started.
Are you sure about this? The map I saw placed them on the Third Floor.
Is there a canon source that gives Jack's location?
I highly doubt Inu is defeating Jack, but that requires someone else to step in. If you say not to every option then idk who you'd think is left if not Inu lol
Jack not using Hybrid is just dumb plot, nothing else to it
I'm not saying Yamato cannot step in, I was saying that Yamato wouldn't use her hybrid form against Jack.
Oda is saving Yamato's DF reveal for something epic, and it's clearly not Jack.
Like I can see Yamato beating Jack in Base to hype her up before fighting Kaido.
But I still think Inuarashi winning is more likely than Jack being Yamato's hype tool.
So there are many differences between EL and here:
Franky is no analogue to Yamato.
As for Inuarashi being destined to lose, well:
It's unlikely that all the Scabbards would be defeated:
Oda is saving Yamato's DF reveal for something epic, and it's clearly not Jack.
Like I can see Yamato beating Jack in Base to hype her up before fighting Kaido.
But I still think Inuarashi winning is more likely than Jack being Yamato's hype tool.
So there are many differences between EL and here:
- Yamato has an extremely strong narrative with a more important antagonist in Kaido.
- In contrast, Franky had no such thing.
- Inuarashi is present in Onigashima while Paulie and co didn't accompany the Strawhats to Enies Lobby.
- The conflict between Jack and the Dukes has been reinforced in Onigashima:
- The Sulong Dukes wrecked Jack on the Rooftop.
- Jack went to personally deal with the Dukes and Raizou after he recovered.
- Oda setup a match between Jack and Inuarashi, with Inuarashi stopping Jack to prevent more victims.
- In contrast, Paulie and Co were not present in Enies Lobby.
- Oda set up a prior encounter and confrontation between Kaku and Zoro back in Water 7.
- That prior confrontation flavoured their fight in EL.
- In contrast, Yamato's narrative has been solely with Kaido.
Franky is no analogue to Yamato.
As for Inuarashi being destined to lose, well:
- Kinemon defeated his arc opponent in Kanjuro.
- Raizou may very well defeat Fukurokoju.
- Nekomamushi may well defeat Perospero.
It's unlikely that all the Scabbards would be defeated:
- That's too much tragedy for One Piece.
- It cheapens the tragedy:
- If no one survives them, who would grieve them.
- Izo needs to survive so he can grieve his sister.
- There is no one else suitable to face some of their opponents:
- No one else is appropriate to defeat Fukurokoju.
- No one else is appropriate to defeat Perospero.
- Many of the Scabbards are unengaged:
- Denjiro
- Izo
- Kawamatsu
Yes. Shell meet up Kaido at some point but not beat him. I think shell perform a similir role to Robin in Alabasta.
Inu having already stomped Jack is one of the reasons I believe hell lose here. His conflict with Jack ended there, he won. Most of the narratives with Scabbards have been repeating since they got up from their defeat from Kaido.
Well see.
Im not sure wut direction hes going with scababrds at this point. Theyre just repeating story beats
>beating Kanjuro
>getting revenge on Jack
>stalling Kaido
If theyre analogue is Seven Samurai then most, if not all of them r going to "die".
Inu having already stomped Jack is one of the reasons I believe hell lose here. His conflict with Jack ended there, he won. Most of the narratives with Scabbards have been repeating since they got up from their defeat from Kaido.
Well see.
Im not sure wut direction hes going with scababrds at this point. Theyre just repeating story beats
>beating Kanjuro
>getting revenge on Jack
>stalling Kaido
If theyre analogue is Seven Samurai then most, if not all of them r going to "die".
She already lost, and she's much weaker than Nekomamushi besides. It makes no sense for Carrot to beat him if Nekomamushi is too weak to do so.
Unlikely. Robin never wanted to fight Crocodile personally, while Yamato does.
The only properly analogous situation is Law.
If this was true, Inu wouldn't be fighting Jack right now.
Nah, Izo for example definitely survives. Someone needs to be alive to grieve Kiku.
Unlikely. Robin never wanted to fight Crocodile personally, while Yamato does.
The only properly analogous situation is Law.
If this was true, Inu wouldn't be fighting Jack right now.
Nah, Izo for example definitely survives. Someone needs to be alive to grieve Kiku.
- Yamato (nerfed against Kaido later) vs Jack (damaged/ fourth in command)
- Sanji (fresh) vs Queen (nerfed/ third in command)
- Jinbei (fresh) vs Who's Who (fresh/ portrayed as equal to Queen/ wanted to challenge a YC)
If Zoro doesn't fight Kaido then:
- Zoro (heavily damages/ 30 broken bones) vs King (slightly nerfed/ second in command)
Zoro>>>>>>>>>Sanji>=<Jinbei>Yamato.
- Sanji (fresh) vs Queen (nerfed/ third in command)
- Jinbei (fresh) vs Who's Who (fresh/ portrayed as equal to Queen/ wanted to challenge a YC)
If Zoro doesn't fight Kaido then:
- Zoro (heavily damages/ 30 broken bones) vs King (slightly nerfed/ second in command)
Zoro>>>>>>>>>Sanji>=<Jinbei>Yamato.
ErionRoronoa you wrote wrong . Why did you put Luffy. Zoro the strongest. I guess he will beat three admiral at the same time . do not nnderestimate Zoro.d.d.d.d